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* Bare oc-csl author variants?
@ 2021-10-05  5:26 Timothy
  2021-10-05 11:24 ` Bruce D'Arcus
  2021-10-05 14:41 ` Timothy
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Timothy @ 2021-10-05  5:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org Mode List

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Hi All,

I was recently citing something and wanted to mention the author and so tried
[cite/a/b:@] and was surprised to see it didn’t work. Looking at oc-csl.el I see
that we only define the following author variants:
• `a/c'
• `a/f'
• `a/cf'

Is there any reason why we haven’t added `a/b', `a/bc', `a/bf', `a/bcf' ?
From a quick test, this seems to work as expected:
┌────
│ (`(,(or "author" "a") . ,variant)
│  (pcase variant
│    ((or "caps" "b") '(:mode author-only :suppress-affixes t))
│    ((or "caps" "c") '(:mode author-only :capitalize-first t))
│    ((or "full" "f") '(:mode author-only :ignore-et-al t))
│    ((or "bare-caps" "bc") '(:mode author-only :suppress-affixes t :capitalize-first t))
│    ((or "bare-full" "bf") '(:mode author-only :suppress-affixes t :ignore-et-al t))
│    ((or "caps-full" "cf") '(:mode author-only :capitalize-first t :ignore-et-al t))
│    ((or "bare-caps-full" "bcf") '(:mode author-only :suppress-affixes t :capitalize-first t :ignore-et-al t))
│    (_ '(:mode author-only))))
└────

All the best,
Timothy

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* Re: Bare oc-csl author variants?
  2021-10-05  5:26 Bare oc-csl author variants? Timothy
@ 2021-10-05 11:24 ` Bruce D'Arcus
  2021-10-05 13:16   ` Timothy
  2021-10-05 14:41 ` Timothy
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Bruce D'Arcus @ 2021-10-05 11:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Timothy; +Cc: Org Mode List

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 1:35 AM Timothy <tecosaur@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there any reason why we haven’t added `a/b', `a/bc', `a/bf', `a/bcf' ?

There is a reason, though it may not be the strongest.

It's just odd to have a name without any other citation marker. How
would a reader know it's a citation?

Is it for cases similar to what Rudy asked about the other day, where
you basically have a split citation?

    Doe says "something" (2019, p2).

In his case, he was wanting to do:

    Doe (2019) says "something" (p2).

If so, may as well add them.

Bruce


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* Re: Bare oc-csl author variants?
  2021-10-05 11:24 ` Bruce D'Arcus
@ 2021-10-05 13:16   ` Timothy
  2021-10-05 13:26     ` Bruce D'Arcus
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Timothy @ 2021-10-05 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bruce D'Arcus; +Cc: Org Mode List

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Hi  Bruce,

>> Is there any reason why we haven’t added `a/b’, `a/bc’, `a/bf’, `a/bcf’ ?
>
> There is a reason, though it may not be the strongest.
>
> It’s just odd to have a name without any other citation marker. How
> would a reader know it’s a citation?

For context, I’m basically just using this as a way to insert the author’s name
without any chance of typos.

Some thing was introduced in Doe (2019), and some comments about it.
To demonstrate X, Doe considers … which allows Doe to ….

All the best,
Timothy

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* Re: Bare oc-csl author variants?
  2021-10-05 13:16   ` Timothy
@ 2021-10-05 13:26     ` Bruce D'Arcus
  2021-10-05 14:34       ` John Kitchin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Bruce D'Arcus @ 2021-10-05 13:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Timothy; +Cc: Org Mode List

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 9:19 AM Timothy <tecosaur@gmail.com> wrote:

> > It’s just odd to have a name without any other citation marker. How
> > would a reader know it’s a citation?
>
> For context, I’m basically just using this as a way to insert the author’s name
> without any chance of typos.

Right.

I don't see any downside in adding them myself.

Bruce


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* Re: Bare oc-csl author variants?
  2021-10-05 13:26     ` Bruce D'Arcus
@ 2021-10-05 14:34       ` John Kitchin
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: John Kitchin @ 2021-10-05 14:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Bruce D'Arcus; +Cc: Org Mode List, Timothy

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These would be equivalent to things like \citeauthor{key} in natbib I think.

John

-----------------------------------
Professor John Kitchin (he/him/his)
Doherty Hall A207F
Department of Chemical Engineering
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
412-268-7803
@johnkitchin
http://kitchingroup.cheme.cmu.edu



On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 9:29 AM Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 9:19 AM Timothy <tecosaur@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > It’s just odd to have a name without any other citation marker. How
> > > would a reader know it’s a citation?
> >
> > For context, I’m basically just using this as a way to insert the
> author’s name
> > without any chance of typos.
>
> Right.
>
> I don't see any downside in adding them myself.
>
> Bruce
>
>

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* Re: Bare oc-csl author variants?
  2021-10-05  5:26 Bare oc-csl author variants? Timothy
  2021-10-05 11:24 ` Bruce D'Arcus
@ 2021-10-05 14:41 ` Timothy
  2021-10-05 15:09   ` Bruce D'Arcus
  2021-10-25 13:47   ` Timothy
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Timothy @ 2021-10-05 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org Mode List

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Hi  All,

Sounds like the general attitude is “why not?”. So I’ve turned my snippet into a
patch and unless any concerns are raised in the next few days I’ll push it to
main.

All the best,
Timothy

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From 88f8bb7bc8726c20f3cdd4e8d47d1b487b1c2cd7 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: TEC <tec@tecosaur.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 22:36:13 +0800
Subject: [PATCH] oc-csl: Support bare author citations

* lisp/oc-csl.el (org-cite-csl--create-structure-params): Add support
for bare (b), bare-caps (bc), bare-full (bf), and bare-caps-full (bcf)
author citation styles.
---
 lisp/oc-csl.el | 4 ++++
 1 file changed, 4 insertions(+)

diff --git a/lisp/oc-csl.el b/lisp/oc-csl.el
index 3d1388075..3d8f8ed03 100644
--- a/lisp/oc-csl.el
+++ b/lisp/oc-csl.el
@@ -300,9 +300,13 @@ (defun org-cite-csl--create-structure-params (citation info)
       ;; "author" style.
       (`(,(or "author" "a") . ,variant)
        (pcase variant
+	 ((or "bare" "b") '(:mode author-only :suppress-affixes t))
 	 ((or "caps" "c") '(:mode author-only :capitalize-first t))
 	 ((or "full" "f") '(:mode author-only :ignore-et-al t))
+	 ((or "bare-caps" "bc") '(:mode author-only :suppress-affixes t :capitalize-first t))
+	 ((or "bare-full" "bf") '(:mode author-only :suppress-affixes t :ignore-et-al t))
 	 ((or "caps-full" "cf") '(:mode author-only :capitalize-first t :ignore-et-al t))
+	 ((or "bare-caps-full" "bcf") '(:mode author-only :suppress-affixes t :capitalize-first t :ignore-et-al t))
 	 (_ '(:mode author-only))))
       ;; "noauthor" style.
       (`(,(or "noauthor" "na") . ,variant)
-- 
2.33.0


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* Re: Bare oc-csl author variants?
  2021-10-05 14:41 ` Timothy
@ 2021-10-05 15:09   ` Bruce D'Arcus
  2021-10-25 13:47   ` Timothy
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Bruce D'Arcus @ 2021-10-05 15:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Timothy; +Cc: Org Mode List

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 11:04 AM Timothy <tecosaur@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds like the general attitude is “why not?”. So I’ve turned my snippet into a
> patch and unless any concerns are raised in the next few days I’ll push it to
> main.

For parity, it would probably make sense to add the equivalent to
oc-natbib and oc-biblatex if someone gets a chance.

Bruce


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* Re: Bare oc-csl author variants?
  2021-10-05 14:41 ` Timothy
  2021-10-05 15:09   ` Bruce D'Arcus
@ 2021-10-25 13:47   ` Timothy
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Timothy @ 2021-10-25 13:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Org Mode List

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Pushed as 7111ee7c.

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