From: Grant Rettke <gcr@wisdomandwonder.com>
To: Matt Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org>
Cc: Fabrice Popineau <fabrice.popineau@supelec.fr>,
"emacs-orgmode@gnu.org" <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>,
Eric Schulte <schulte.eric@gmail.com>,
John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: org-ref in action
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:49:33 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAjq1mfzzEAFafOEJT4GkXd4E6O3QEggJbRO+uVgTjZv_OfK+A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8761jnu44l.fsf@fastmail.fm>
Thanks for your answer on that everybody.
My apologies for my poor grammar asking where "people discuss such
questions in real life". What I really had wanted to say, what I
meant, was that I was wondering what professions utilize such
workflows and where they discuss it primarily because the topic does
go beyond LaTeX alone. My usage of such a workflow is pretty
lightweight, and I've never had anyone to talk to about it because in
my field generally no one cites their references.
Grant Rettke | ACM, ASA, FSF, IEEE, SIAM
gcr@wisdomandwonder.com | http://www.wisdomandwonder.com/
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On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Matt Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> wrote:
> Grant Rettke <gcr@wisdomandwonder.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:08 AM, Matt Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> wrote:
>>> I think the key in any possible feature merge is to remember citation
>>> management is idiosyncratic.
>>
>> Off topic:
>>
>> How do people choose today?
>>
>> Why choose bibtex over biblatex?
>
> Thanks to inertia, bibtex still has a number of users in the sciences,
> since it was originally designed for scientific citations. In the
> humanities, however, bibtex is a non-starter, since biblatex offers much
> more flexibility. The good news is that bibtex and biblatex use the same
> database format, so it's easy to transition from bibtex to biblatex.
> However, there are other options, such as CSL.[1]
>
>> Where do people discuss such questions like this in real life?
>
> I'm not sure I understand your question. Could you clarify?
>
> I simply meant that everyone will have a different workflow/system for
> storing and managing citations. E.g., some will prefer to store
> bibliographical data in a zotero database, others in a single bib file,
> others in multiple bib files, others as properties in org headlines,
> etc.
>
> I think one can make a conception distinction here between citation
> management (i.e., how one stores bibliographical data) and citation
> processing (i.e., the software one uses to export that data to some
> output format). There are many, many formats (mods, bib, etc.) and tools
> (biber, bibtex, csl/citeproc, etc.) for formatting bibliographical data.
>
> In an ideal world, one should be able to 1) process bibliographical data
> from multiple formats; 2) choose from hundreds of citation styles; and
> 3) format citations for multiple backends. I am not suggesting that
> org-mode should directly support all these things, but its default
> methods of handling citations should not get in the way of using
> external tools that provide such flexibility.
>
> For instance, pandoc (an immensely impressive piece of software!)
> accepts bibliographical data from numerous sources and processes it for
> multiple outputs (html, plain text, docx, rtf, etc.). By contrast,
> ox-bibtex.el runs citations through bibtex2html, which is pretty much
> limited to the "old-fashioned" bibtex formats. Ironically, ox-bibtex.el
> invokes pandoc to convert from html to plain text, but only after it has
> already used bibtex2html to process the data.
>
> Best,
> Matt
>
> Footnotes:
>
> [1] Citation Style Language - http://citationstyles.org/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-06-27 15:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-06-24 18:45 org-ref in action John Kitchin
2014-06-24 19:26 ` Thomas S. Dye
2014-06-24 20:53 ` Ista Zahn
2014-06-25 2:13 ` Matt Lundin
2014-06-25 8:28 ` Bastien
2014-06-25 16:26 ` Vikas Rawal
2014-06-25 20:25 ` Eric Schulte
2014-06-26 1:09 ` Grant Rettke
2014-06-26 1:10 ` Matt Lundin
2014-06-26 12:21 ` Fabrice Popineau
2014-06-26 12:48 ` John Kitchin
2014-06-26 14:08 ` Matt Lundin
2014-06-26 14:09 ` Matt Lundin
2014-06-26 14:11 ` Grant Rettke
2014-06-26 14:13 ` Ken Mankoff
2014-06-26 14:33 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-06-26 14:39 ` Matt Lundin
2014-06-26 17:19 ` Alan Schmitt
2014-06-26 18:44 ` Matt Lundin
2014-06-27 4:27 ` Xebar Saram
2014-06-27 7:37 ` Thomas S. Dye
2014-06-27 7:38 ` Vikas Rawal
2014-06-27 7:52 ` Melleus
2014-06-27 13:39 ` Ista Zahn
2014-06-27 23:56 ` John Kitchin
2014-06-27 6:44 ` Alan Schmitt
2014-06-27 14:26 ` Matt Lundin
2014-06-27 17:19 ` Matt Lundin
2014-06-27 15:49 ` Grant Rettke [this message]
2014-06-26 16:14 ` Eric Schulte
2014-06-27 6:55 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2014-06-29 10:18 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2014-06-29 12:09 ` John Kitchin
2014-06-29 18:19 ` Eric Schulte
2014-06-29 18:23 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2014-06-30 9:29 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2014-06-30 9:52 ` Eric Schulte
2014-06-30 10:06 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2014-06-30 10:22 ` Eric Schulte
2014-06-30 11:27 ` Joseph Vidal-Rosset
2014-08-05 18:28 ` Xebar Saram
2014-08-05 21:08 ` John Kitchin
2014-08-06 10:54 ` Xebar Saram
2014-08-06 12:51 ` John Kitchin
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2014-06-25 5:57 Leu Zhe
2014-06-26 22:33 Doyley, Marvin M.
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