* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-07 7:13 ` David Masterson
@ 2014-08-07 7:28 ` Alexis
2014-08-07 13:41 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
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From: Alexis @ 2014-08-07 7:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
David Masterson writes:
> Unfortunately, this looks like Android documentation where I have an
> iPhone.
i didn't even realise MobileOrg was available for iOS until this moment!
It looks like there are two quite separate codebases (neither of which
seems to be actively maintained) which complicates things further; i can
easily imagine the provided functionality between both versions
gradually drifting apart ....
Alexis.
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2014-08-07 7:13 ` David Masterson
2014-08-07 7:28 ` Alexis
@ 2014-08-07 13:41 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-08-07 13:52 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
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2014-08-07 13:58 ` Eric Abrahamsen
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From: Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo @ 2014-08-07 13:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> writes:
> Anyone using MobileOrg?
I use it all the time, but the Android version. I do not think
that it is a dead project, at the end of last year there were
quite a few updates.
I generally use it to read my org agenda and TODO list in my
phone, to automatically transfer the org agenda to the Google
calendar and to make captures in my phone that I later organize
into the proper file and heading in my computer. For those three
tasks it is a five star application.
I still think that it is far from being org-mode in your phone, but you
should not see it that way. If you want to something that allows
complete org functionality in your phone you are better off using
something like JuiceSSH and connecting to one of your computers.
Best,
--
Jorge.
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2014-08-07 13:41 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
@ 2014-08-07 13:52 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-08-07 14:11 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
2014-08-08 5:53 ` David Masterson
2 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo @ 2014-08-07 13:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Also there is a more or less active Google+ page:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/101083268903948579162/posts
--
Jorge.
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-07 13:41 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-08-07 13:52 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
@ 2014-08-07 14:11 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
2014-08-08 5:53 ` David Masterson
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From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2014-08-07 14:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Thu, 07-08-2014, at 15:41, Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo <jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu> wrote:
> David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Anyone using MobileOrg?
>
> I use it all the time, but the Android version. I do not think
> that it is a dead project, at the end of last year there were
> quite a few updates.
>
> I generally use it to read my org agenda and TODO list in my
> phone, to automatically transfer the org agenda to the Google
> calendar and to make captures in my phone that I later organize
> into the proper file and heading in my computer. For those three
> tasks it is a five star application.
>
> I still think that it is far from being org-mode in your phone, but you
> should not see it that way. If you want to something that allows
> complete org functionality in your phone you are better off using
> something like JuiceSSH and connecting to one of your computers.
>
> Best,
My experience is the same as Jorge's. I use it often, and in particular I
make captures in my tablet that are synced back (in my case via Dropbox) to
my computer, and there I organize those notes. So, as he says, "for those
three tasks it is a five star application".
Best,
R.
--
Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
Department of Biochemistry, Lab B-25
Facultad de Medicina
Universidad Autónoma de Madrid
Arzobispo Morcillo, 4
28029 Madrid
Spain
Phone: +34-91-497-2412
Email: rdiaz02@gmail.com
ramon.diaz@iib.uam.es
http://ligarto.org/rdiaz
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2014-08-07 13:41 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-08-07 13:52 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-08-07 14:11 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
@ 2014-08-08 5:53 ` David Masterson
2014-08-08 6:08 ` Xebar Saram
2014-08-08 14:38 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: David Masterson @ 2014-08-08 5:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu (Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo) writes:
> David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Anyone using MobileOrg?
>
> I use it all the time, but the Android version. I do not think that it
> is a dead project, at the end of last year there were quite a few
> updates.
>
> I generally use it to read my org agenda and TODO list in my phone, to
> automatically transfer the org agenda to the Google calendar and to
> make captures in my phone that I later organize into the proper file
> and heading in my computer. For those three tasks it is a five star
> application.
>
> I still think that it is far from being org-mode in your phone, but you
> should not see it that way. If you want to something that allows
> complete org functionality in your phone you are better off using
> something like JuiceSSH and connecting to one of your computers.
Not looking for complete org functionality in my phone -- just a
reasonable ability to edit org outlines while I'm on the road.
--
David Masterson
Programmer At Large
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-08 5:53 ` David Masterson
@ 2014-08-08 6:08 ` Xebar Saram
2014-08-08 14:38 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
1 sibling, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Xebar Saram @ 2014-08-08 6:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Masterson; +Cc: org mode
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"Not looking for complete org functionality in my phone -- just a
reasonable ability to edit org outlines while I'm on the road."
+1 :)
z
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 8:53 AM, David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>
wrote:
> jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu (Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo) writes:
>
> > David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> >> Anyone using MobileOrg?
> >
> > I use it all the time, but the Android version. I do not think that it
> > is a dead project, at the end of last year there were quite a few
> > updates.
> >
> > I generally use it to read my org agenda and TODO list in my phone, to
> > automatically transfer the org agenda to the Google calendar and to
> > make captures in my phone that I later organize into the proper file
> > and heading in my computer. For those three tasks it is a five star
> > application.
> >
> > I still think that it is far from being org-mode in your phone, but you
> > should not see it that way. If you want to something that allows
> > complete org functionality in your phone you are better off using
> > something like JuiceSSH and connecting to one of your computers.
>
> Not looking for complete org functionality in my phone -- just a
> reasonable ability to edit org outlines while I'm on the road.
>
> --
> David Masterson
> Programmer At Large
>
>
>
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-08 5:53 ` David Masterson
2014-08-08 6:08 ` Xebar Saram
@ 2014-08-08 14:38 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-08-08 17:42 ` David Masterson
2014-08-13 12:26 ` Jason F. McBrayer
1 sibling, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo @ 2014-08-08 14:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> writes:
> Not looking for complete org functionality in my phone -- just a
> reasonable ability to edit org outlines while I'm on the road.
Well you can do that with MobileOrg... sort of. Once you edit and
save a change, synchronize in your phone and then pull from your
computer (org-mobile-pull). From (info (org) Pulling from
MobileOrg):
"Some changes are applied directly and without user interaction.
Examples are all changes to tags, TODO state, headline and body
text that can be cleanly applied. Entries that have been flagged
for further action will receive a tag ‘:FLAGGED:’, so that they
can be easily found again. When there is a problem finding an
entry or applying the change, the pointer entry will remain in the
inbox and will be marked with an error message. You need to later
resolve these issues by hand."
I do not understand when "cleanly applied" is the case, but my
experience is that resolving "these issues by hand" is the most
likely outcome. Even simple edits in the text of an entry in my
phone generally result in errors of synchronization. Note that
besides adding a comment of when the file was changed in the
mobile, the local file does not change. Also you can see the
differences in the files in the from-org-mobile.org file (or
whatever you set the org-mobile-inbox-for-pull variable to).
Because of this limitation, I am better off just adding simple
captures on my phone as remainders to do something in my computer,
even adding information to a certain file. Then, when I
synchronize in the phone and pull in my computer, the only file
that changes is from-org-mobile.org, I open that buffer and use
org-refile to send things to the right place. Save all org
buffers, org-mobile-push and repeat.
I you have access by ssh to a computer that is always on, then I
recommend leaving an emacsclient open and using JuiceSSH of
ConnectBot for editing your org files on the go.
Best,
--
Jorge.
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-08 14:38 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
@ 2014-08-08 17:42 ` David Masterson
2014-08-08 18:28 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-08-13 12:26 ` Jason F. McBrayer
1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: David Masterson @ 2014-08-08 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu (Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo) writes:
> David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Not looking for complete org functionality in my phone -- just a
>> reasonable ability to edit org outlines while I'm on the road.
>
> Well you can do that with MobileOrg... sort of. Once you edit and save
> a change, synchronize in your phone and then pull from your computer
> (org-mobile-pull). From (info (org) Pulling from MobileOrg):
>
> "Some changes are applied directly and without user
> interaction. Examples are all changes to tags, TODO state, headline
> and body text that can be cleanly applied. Entries that have been
> flagged for further action will receive a tag ‘:FLAGGED:’, so that
> they can be easily found again. When there is a problem finding an
> entry or applying the change, the pointer entry will remain in the
> inbox and will be marked with an error message. You need to later
> resolve these issues by hand."
>
> I do not understand when "cleanly applied" is the case, but my
> experience is that resolving "these issues by hand" is the most likely
> outcome. Even simple edits in the text of an entry in my phone
> generally result in errors of synchronization. Note that besides
> adding a comment of when the file was changed in the mobile, the local
> file does not change. Also you can see the differences in the files in
> the from-org-mobile.org file (or whatever you set the
> org-mobile-inbox-for-pull variable to).
>
> Because of this limitation, I am better off just adding simple
> captures on my phone as remainders to do something in my computer,
> even adding information to a certain file. Then, when I synchronize in
> the phone and pull in my computer, the only file that changes is
> from-org-mobile.org, I open that buffer and use org-refile to send
> things to the right place. Save all org buffers, org-mobile-push and
> repeat.
>
> I you have access by ssh to a computer that is always on, then I
> recommend leaving an emacsclient open and using JuiceSSH of ConnectBot
> for editing your org files on the go.
Hmmm. Simple question (I think). Can you edit outlines (at least
somewhat) from MobileOrg? For instance, can you add outline headers to
your Org outline in MobileOrg? Or is MobileOrg only useful for viewing
Org outlines and capturing items to add to your outlines later?
--
David Masterson
Programmer At Large
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-08 17:42 ` David Masterson
@ 2014-08-08 18:28 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-08-08 18:58 ` Ken Mankoff
2014-08-08 21:15 ` David Masterson
0 siblings, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo @ 2014-08-08 18:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
David Masterson writes:
> Hmmm. Simple question (I think). Can you edit outlines (at
> least somewhat) from MobileOrg? For instance, can you add
> outline headers to your Org outline in MobileOrg? Or is
> MobileOrg only useful for viewing Org outlines and capturing
> items to add to your outlines later?
Yes.
In MobileOrg of your phone: Settings, Synchronization, check
Advanced capture. Click over any headline and then use the capture
button (the circle with a plus inside). Write the new headline,
save, and synchronize.
Afterwards run org-mobile-pull from your computer, the changes should be
there. At least it works for me under Android.
Best,
--
Jorge.
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-08 18:28 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
@ 2014-08-08 18:58 ` Ken Mankoff
2014-08-08 19:40 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-08-08 21:15 ` David Masterson
1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Ken Mankoff @ 2014-08-08 18:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo; +Cc: Org-mode
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Advance Capture is Android only, not on my iPhone version. On iPhone, you
cannot add sub-headings. You can type it out as much as you want with "**"
and "***", but you'll need to do some editing on the desktop side. Those
modifications could be made automagically when the desktop auto-detects
that updates have been pushed from the phone...
-k.
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo <
jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu> wrote:
> David Masterson writes:
>
>> Hmmm. Simple question (I think). Can you edit outlines (at least
>> somewhat) from MobileOrg? For instance, can you add outline headers to
>> your Org outline in MobileOrg? Or is MobileOrg only useful for viewing Org
>> outlines and capturing items to add to your outlines later?
>>
>
> Yes.
>
> In MobileOrg of your phone: Settings, Synchronization, check Advanced
> capture. Click over any headline and then use the capture button (the
> circle with a plus inside). Write the new headline, save, and synchronize.
>
> Afterwards run org-mobile-pull from your computer, the changes should be
> there. At least it works for me under Android.
>
> Best,
>
> --
> Jorge.
>
>
>
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-08 18:58 ` Ken Mankoff
@ 2014-08-08 19:40 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-08-08 21:18 ` David Masterson
0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo @ 2014-08-08 19:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Ken Mankoff writes:
> On iPhone, you cannot add sub-headings.
Another good reason to ditch your iPhone and buy a Nexus =)
Even when the Android and iPhone applications are different, the
good thing is that the org side (org-mobile.el) is not specific
for the iPhone or Android (or any external application that uses
the same conventions).
Perhaps that is why the manual seems to new users so vague, they
expect that it will explain how to go over the phone installation
as well. But that is not the job of the org part, but that of the
phone application IMO.
--
Jorge.
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-08 19:40 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
@ 2014-08-08 21:18 ` David Masterson
2014-08-08 22:17 ` Nick Dokos
0 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: David Masterson @ 2014-08-08 21:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu (Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo) writes:
> Ken Mankoff writes:
>
>> On iPhone, you cannot add sub-headings.
>
> Another good reason to ditch your iPhone and buy a Nexus =)
>
> Even when the Android and iPhone applications are different, the good
> thing is that the org side (org-mobile.el) is not specific for the
> iPhone or Android (or any external application that uses the same
> conventions).
>
> Perhaps that is why the manual seems to new users so vague, they
> expect that it will explain how to go over the phone installation as
> well. But that is not the job of the org part, but that of the phone
> application IMO.
But, the Org part should, at least, point to the documentation of the
phone part. At the very least, provide a place for the phone part(s) to
be documented on Worg and point there...
--
David Masterson
Programmer At Large
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-08 21:18 ` David Masterson
@ 2014-08-08 22:17 ` Nick Dokos
0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2014-08-08 22:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> writes:
> jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu (Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo) writes:
>
>> Ken Mankoff writes:
>>
>>> On iPhone, you cannot add sub-headings.
>>
>> Another good reason to ditch your iPhone and buy a Nexus =)
>>
>> Even when the Android and iPhone applications are different, the good
>> thing is that the org side (org-mobile.el) is not specific for the
>> iPhone or Android (or any external application that uses the same
>> conventions).
>>
>> Perhaps that is why the manual seems to new users so vague, they
>> expect that it will explain how to go over the phone installation as
>> well. But that is not the job of the org part, but that of the phone
>> application IMO.
>
> But, the Org part should, at least, point to the documentation of the
> phone part. At the very least, provide a place for the phone part(s) to
> be documented on Worg and point there...
It does. There is an iOS pointer and an Android pointer in
(info "(org) Appendix B MobileOrg")
For iOS, it says:
,----
| The iOS implementation (https://github.com/MobileOrg/) for the
| iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad series of devices, was started by Richard
| Moreland and is now in the hands Sean Escriva.
`----
And if you follow that link, you'll get to another link
http://mobileorg.ncogni.to/
which has a "Documentation" button - I didn't push the button but I hope
there is something substantive behind it.
--
Nick
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-08 18:28 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-08-08 18:58 ` Ken Mankoff
@ 2014-08-08 21:15 ` David Masterson
2014-08-08 21:19 ` Ken Mankoff
1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: David Masterson @ 2014-08-08 21:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu (Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo) writes:
> David Masterson writes:
>
>> Hmmm. Simple question (I think). Can you edit outlines (at least
>> somewhat) from MobileOrg? For instance, can you add outline headers
>> to your Org outline in MobileOrg? Or is MobileOrg only useful for
>> viewing Org outlines and capturing items to add to your outlines
>> later?
>
> Yes.
>
> In MobileOrg of your phone: Settings, Synchronization, check Advanced
> capture. Click over any headline and then use the capture button (the
> circle with a plus inside). Write the new headline, save, and
> synchronize.
Hmmm. Don't see this in MobileOrg for iOS. I do see Settings,
Settings, AutoCapture Mode, but not Advanced Capture. Is this an
example of two different code bases? This is MobileOrg v1.6.1.
> Afterwards run org-mobile-pull from your computer, the changes should be
> there. At least it works for me under Android.
Yes, I expected that, once you made a change in MobileOrg, you have to
cycle over to Emacs Org via org-mobile-pu(sh|ll).
--
David Masterson
Programmer At Large
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-08 21:15 ` David Masterson
@ 2014-08-08 21:19 ` Ken Mankoff
0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Ken Mankoff @ 2014-08-08 21:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Masterson; +Cc: Org-mode
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Some code to auto-update Org when Mobile Org pushes:
http://kenmankoff.com/2012/08/17/emacs-org-mode-and-mobileorg-auto-sync/
-k.
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 5:15 PM, David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>
wrote:
> jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu (Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo) writes:
>
> > David Masterson writes:
> >
> >> Hmmm. Simple question (I think). Can you edit outlines (at least
> >> somewhat) from MobileOrg? For instance, can you add outline headers
> >> to your Org outline in MobileOrg? Or is MobileOrg only useful for
> >> viewing Org outlines and capturing items to add to your outlines
> >> later?
> >
> > Yes.
> >
> > In MobileOrg of your phone: Settings, Synchronization, check Advanced
> > capture. Click over any headline and then use the capture button (the
> > circle with a plus inside). Write the new headline, save, and
> > synchronize.
>
> Hmmm. Don't see this in MobileOrg for iOS. I do see Settings,
> Settings, AutoCapture Mode, but not Advanced Capture. Is this an
> example of two different code bases? This is MobileOrg v1.6.1.
>
> > Afterwards run org-mobile-pull from your computer, the changes should be
> > there. At least it works for me under Android.
>
> Yes, I expected that, once you made a change in MobileOrg, you have to
> cycle over to Emacs Org via org-mobile-pu(sh|ll).
>
> --
> David Masterson
> Programmer At Large
>
>
>
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-08 14:38 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2014-08-08 17:42 ` David Masterson
@ 2014-08-13 12:26 ` Jason F. McBrayer
2014-08-13 18:28 ` Xebar Saram
2014-08-18 8:16 ` Eric S Fraga
1 sibling, 2 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: Jason F. McBrayer @ 2014-08-13 12:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
On 2014-08-08 10:38, jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu wrote:
> David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> writes:
>> Not looking for complete org functionality in my phone -- just a
>> reasonable ability to edit org outlines while I'm on the road.
> If you have access by ssh to a computer that is always on, then I
> recommend leaving an emacsclient open and using JuiceSSH of
> ConnectBot for editing your org files on the go.
Or, as is increasingly feasible in the last couple of years, running
Emacs on your mobile device. On Android, GnuRoot is a quick and easy
solution for running Emacs along with git, ssh, hg, and anything else
you might need for your org-mode workflow, and it doesn't even require
a rooted device (I prefer using Lil'Debi for running Emacs, but it
requires a rooted device and a bit more commitment).
With a real Emacs on my device (recent screenshot [here][1]), I can
just keep my hg-based syncing workflow that I'm used to from multiple
desktops, rather than adding a new and more complex mobile syncing
workflow. I'm not disparaging the MobileOrg-Android app, it looks
great, and works great given the MobileOrg protocol it has to work
with, but it's just not what I want to work with.
[1]:
http://www.carcosa.net/jason/blog/computing/emacs/messageease-2014-08-02.html
--
+-----------------------------------------------------------+
| Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net |
| If someone conquers a thousand times a thousand others in |
| battle, and someone else conquers himself, the latter one |
| is the greatest of all conquerors. --- The Dhammapada |
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-13 12:26 ` Jason F. McBrayer
@ 2014-08-13 18:28 ` Xebar Saram
2014-08-18 13:48 ` root
2014-08-18 8:16 ` Eric S Fraga
1 sibling, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Xebar Saram @ 2014-08-13 18:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jason F. McBrayer; +Cc: org mode
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Thx Jason
just tried gnuroot. its very nice but i think would be useful for rare
cases where you really need the full power of emacs/org since its a bit
cumbersome to fire the whole debian>emacs>open a org note just to enter a
quick capture :). do you have any tips on speeding things up etc?
anyway great tip
thx :)
P.S could you share your color scheme from the screenshot :)
Z
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Jason F. McBrayer <jmcbray@carcosa.net>
wrote:
> On 2014-08-08 10:38, jorge.alfaro-murillo@yale.edu wrote:
>
> David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> Not looking for complete org functionality in my phone -- just a
>>> reasonable ability to edit org outlines while I'm on the road.
>>>
>>
> If you have access by ssh to a computer that is always on, then I
>>
>> recommend leaving an emacsclient open and using JuiceSSH of
>> ConnectBot for editing your org files on the go.
>>
>
> Or, as is increasingly feasible in the last couple of years, running
> Emacs on your mobile device. On Android, GnuRoot is a quick and easy
> solution for running Emacs along with git, ssh, hg, and anything else
> you might need for your org-mode workflow, and it doesn't even require
> a rooted device (I prefer using Lil'Debi for running Emacs, but it
> requires a rooted device and a bit more commitment).
>
> With a real Emacs on my device (recent screenshot [here][1]), I can
> just keep my hg-based syncing workflow that I'm used to from multiple
> desktops, rather than adding a new and more complex mobile syncing
> workflow. I'm not disparaging the MobileOrg-Android app, it looks
> great, and works great given the MobileOrg protocol it has to work
> with, but it's just not what I want to work with.
>
> [1]: http://www.carcosa.net/jason/blog/computing/emacs/
> messageease-2014-08-02.html
> --
> +-----------------------------------------------------------+
> | Jason F. McBrayer jmcbray@carcosa.net |
> | If someone conquers a thousand times a thousand others in |
> | battle, and someone else conquers himself, the latter one |
> | is the greatest of all conquerors. --- The Dhammapada |
>
>
>
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-13 18:28 ` Xebar Saram
@ 2014-08-18 13:48 ` root
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From: root @ 2014-08-18 13:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Xebar Saram; +Cc: org mode
Xebar Saram <zeltakc@gmail.com> writes:
> just tried gnuroot. its very nice but i think would be useful for rare
> cases where you really need the full power of emacs/org since its a
> bit cumbersome to fire the whole debian>emacs>open a org note just to
> enter a quick capture :). do you have any tips on speeding things up
> etc?
With Lil'Debi, I had an Irssi-Connectbot shortcut that would connect to
the running Debian, attach an already running screen session, and switch
to the emacs screen. I don't yet have an equivalent shortcut for
Gnuroot. My first thought is just to leave a screen session with Emacss
running in it all the time, and use the notification to swich to
it. Then use org-capture.
> P.S could you share your color scheme from the screenshot :)
It is leuven-theme, available on Marmalade.
--
Jason
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-13 12:26 ` Jason F. McBrayer
2014-08-13 18:28 ` Xebar Saram
@ 2014-08-18 8:16 ` Eric S Fraga
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From: Eric S Fraga @ 2014-08-18 8:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jason F. McBrayer; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Wednesday, 13 Aug 2014 at 08:26, Jason F. McBrayer wrote:
[...]
> Or, as is increasingly feasible in the last couple of years, running
> Emacs on your mobile device. On Android, GnuRoot is a quick and easy
Thanks for the pointer to GnuRoot. Could be useful to have on my Nexus
7. The keyboard you describe on your blog post is also very
interesting.
My solution to the problem of a truly mobile org (and gnus) was to buy
myself a little OpenPandora palmtop computer and install Debian on it!
eric
--
: Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 24.4.50.1, Org release_8.3beta-237-gcc6aa4
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-07 7:13 ` David Masterson
2014-08-07 7:28 ` Alexis
2014-08-07 13:41 ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
@ 2014-08-07 13:58 ` Eric Abrahamsen
2014-08-07 14:39 ` hymie!
2014-08-07 15:57 ` Subhan Michael Tindall
` (2 subsequent siblings)
5 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2014-08-07 13:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> writes:
> John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Did you look at the docs?
>> - https://github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android/wiki/Documentation
>
> Unfortunately, this looks like Android documentation where I have an
> iPhone.
>
>> Unfortunately, looks like his images are borked at the moment. It's
>> been a while since I've used it, but you're saying there's not an
>> intuitive way to add a new heading? Can you just do "** something" (or
>> similar)?
>
> Doesn't seem to work. The "** Something" gets treated as text for the
> previous heading. I suspect that, although you type the "** Something"
> at the left margin, it gets indented as text under a heading should be
> which messes up the heading interpretation.
>
>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:26 PM, David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There is not much to the MobileOrg documentation. For instance, how do
>>> you 'add' a new heading to an outline? Any examples around on how to
>>> use MobileOrg?
>
> Anyone using MobileOrg?
I use it, but only in one direction -- computer to tablet. And mostly
just for having meeting/appointment data with me as I wander around
looking for whoever it is I'm supposed to meet. In fact, I've always
wanted OSMand integration with MobileOrg (perhaps a osm link type) where
I could press the link and it would show me where I was going in OSMand.
I don't do the other direction (tablet to computer). Syncing has caused
me enough difficulties in the past that I'm only comfortable using
uni-directional syncing, not bi-directional. That and the problems that
Dropbox has been having in China have made MobileOrg much less useful
than it might have been...
E
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2014-08-07 13:58 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2014-08-07 14:39 ` hymie!
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From: hymie! @ 2014-08-07 14:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
In our last episode, the evil Dr. Lacto had captured our hero,
Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net>, who said:
>I use it, but only in one direction -- computer to tablet. And mostly
>just for having meeting/appointment data with me as I wander around
>looking for whoever it is I'm supposed to meet.
>
>I don't do the other direction (tablet to computer). Syncing has caused
>me enough difficulties in the past that I'm only comfortable using
>uni-directional syncing, not bi-directional.
Ditto. Syncing works great computer-to-tablet. Going tablet-to-computer,
not so much. I'm not sure if the problem is
* my unfamiliarity with OrgMode
* my unfamiliarity with WebDav
* permissions are too strict
* MobileOrg not creating the sync files correctly
* OrgMode not processing the sync files correctly
but it's just not that important to me right now. I have my notes (mostly
tasks) available, and that's what counts. I can update them whenever.
--hymie! http://lactose.homelinux.net/~hymie hymie@lactose.homelinux.net
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-07 7:13 ` David Masterson
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2014-08-07 13:58 ` Eric Abrahamsen
@ 2014-08-07 15:57 ` Subhan Michael Tindall
2014-08-07 20:09 ` Christian Kruse
2014-08-14 2:02 ` MobileOrg documentation? Sean Escriva
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From: Subhan Michael Tindall @ 2014-08-07 15:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 'David Masterson', emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
-----Original Message-----
From: emacs-orgmode-bounces+subhant=familycareinc.org@gnu.org [mailto:emacs-orgmode-bounces+subhant=familycareinc.org@gnu.org] On Behalf Of David Masterson
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 12:13 AM
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [O] MobileOrg documentation?
[SNIP]
> Anyone using MobileOrg?
I have used it off & on for a couple of years. Unlike what seems to be the majority here, I primarily
use it for data capture -- capturing time/date stamped notes(which it works great for), data capture, and so forth.
Unfortunately the issues with time stamps defaulting to 00:00 and the lack of property support have
made it difficult to do what I want (capture glucose readings, insulin, carbs, etc) without substantial
post-sync processing. Maybe one of these days I'll get around to it.
Subhan
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2014-08-07 7:13 ` David Masterson
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
2014-08-07 15:57 ` Subhan Michael Tindall
@ 2014-08-07 20:09 ` Christian Kruse
2014-08-07 21:53 ` Jacob Gerlach
2014-08-14 1:57 ` Sean Escriva
2014-08-14 2:02 ` MobileOrg documentation? Sean Escriva
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From: Christian Kruse @ 2014-08-07 20:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Masterson, emacs-orgmode
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Hi,
Am 07.08.14 09:13, schrieb David Masterson:
> Anyone using MobileOrg?
I use the iPhone version, via WebDAV. For exactly two things:
capturing TODOs and having my todo list at hand when I need it. It
works pretty well for these two tasks, gladly.
Best regards,
--
Christian Kruse
http://ck.kennt-wayne.de/
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2014-08-07 20:09 ` Christian Kruse
@ 2014-08-07 21:53 ` Jacob Gerlach
2014-08-14 1:57 ` Sean Escriva
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From: Jacob Gerlach @ 2014-08-07 21:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
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This keeps coming up, and while the answers are there if you search in the
right place or ask the list, I wonder if there is a better way.
Would it be feasible to include some sort of test function in the elpa
version of org that checks for the correct installation conditions and
throws an error if org is already loaded?
If someone would point me in the right direction, I'd be happy to take a
stab at implementing it.
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Christian Kruse <cjk@defunct.ch> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am 07.08.14 09:13, schrieb David Masterson:
> > Anyone using MobileOrg?
>
> I use the iPhone version, via WebDAV. For exactly two things:
> capturing TODOs and having my todo list at hand when I need it. It
> works pretty well for these two tasks, gladly.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Christian Kruse
> http://ck.kennt-wayne.de/
>
>
>
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-07 20:09 ` Christian Kruse
2014-08-07 21:53 ` Jacob Gerlach
@ 2014-08-14 1:57 ` Sean Escriva
2014-08-16 17:49 ` Usage, OPML, Toodledo (was Re: MobileOrg documentation?) David Masterson
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From: Sean Escriva @ 2014-08-14 1:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christian Kruse, David Masterson, emacs-orgmode
Christian Kruse <cjk@defunct.ch> writes:
> Hi,
>
> Am 07.08.14 09:13, schrieb David Masterson:
>> Anyone using MobileOrg?
>
> I use the iPhone version, via WebDAV. For exactly two things:
> capturing TODOs and having my todo list at hand when I need it. It
> works pretty well for these two tasks, gladly.
As the maintainer, this is how I use it generally. I'd love to support
other usage patterns though.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
> Christian Kruse
> http://ck.kennt-wayne.de/
>
>
--
-sean
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* Usage, OPML, Toodledo (was Re: MobileOrg documentation?)
2014-08-14 1:57 ` Sean Escriva
@ 2014-08-16 17:49 ` David Masterson
0 siblings, 0 replies; 31+ messages in thread
From: David Masterson @ 2014-08-16 17:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Sean Escriva <sean.escriva@gmail.com> writes:
> Christian Kruse <cjk@defunct.ch> writes:
>
>> Am 07.08.14 09:13, schrieb David Masterson:
>>> Anyone using MobileOrg?
>>
>> I use the iPhone version, via WebDAV. For exactly two things:
>> capturing TODOs and having my todo list at hand when I need it. It
>> works pretty well for these two tasks, gladly.
>
> As the maintainer, this is how I use it generally. I'd love to support
> other usage patterns though.
Could you explain this usage pattern a little (maybe a lot..?) more? Is
this something like the following?
1. Have MobileOrg load up various Org files for you to view on your
iPhone.
2. Use the Capture menu to capture a ToDo into (I think)
fromMobile.org.
3. Make *NO* changes to the Org files loaded in #1.
4. Refile the capture ToDo items later on your PC after you've pulled
the information from MobileOrg.
If this is the usage pattern, then MobileOrg is not very useful for a
couple of reasons:
First, the ability to view your Org files on your iPhone can probably be
accomplished by exporting your Org files to OPML and then pulling the
OPML files into an outliner on your iPhone. In fact, the OPML
translation might give you more capabilities in that you could readily
edit your Org file on iOS using the OPML outliner. I think you can
import OPML files into Org-Mode, right?
Second, better integration with org-toodledo would allow the Org file to
be imported into Toodledo. Then you could use the various Toodledo Apps
to add/modify/delete ToDos before reintegrating them into Org. I think
that the current org-toodledo capability has a couple of problems with
respect to Org:
1. Org allows multi-level hierarchies whereas Toodledo only supports one
level currently.
2. Org-Toodledo (I think) only supports one Tasks file and, so, there
would need to be some sort of linking between files on the Org side.
These issues might be overcome and make for a more complete integration
between Org and iOS (and Android?).
--
David Masterson
Programmer At Large
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* Re: MobileOrg documentation?
2014-08-07 7:13 ` David Masterson
` (4 preceding siblings ...)
2014-08-07 20:09 ` Christian Kruse
@ 2014-08-14 2:02 ` Sean Escriva
2014-08-14 4:56 ` Carlos Sosa
5 siblings, 1 reply; 31+ messages in thread
From: Sean Escriva @ 2014-08-14 2:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Masterson, emacs-orgmode
David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> writes:
> John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Did you look at the docs?
>> - https://github.com/matburt/mobileorg-android/wiki/Documentation
>
> Unfortunately, this looks like Android documentation where I have an
> iPhone.
me too!
>
>> Unfortunately, looks like his images are borked at the moment. It's
>> been a while since I've used it, but you're saying there's not an
>> intuitive way to add a new heading? Can you just do "** something" (or
>> similar)?
>
> Doesn't seem to work. The "** Something" gets treated as text for the
> previous heading. I suspect that, although you type the "** Something"
> at the left margin, it gets indented as text under a heading should be
> which messes up the heading interpretation.
>
>> On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:26 PM, David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> There is not much to the MobileOrg documentation. For instance, how do
>>> you 'add' a new heading to an outline? Any examples around on how to
>>> use MobileOrg?
>
> Anyone using MobileOrg?
I use it still, fairly regularly.
I had started work on a new doc site using middleman here:
https://github.com/MobileOrg/mobileorg.github.io
which will generate the site here: https://mobileorg.github.io/
However I think it may be better for contributors to use something
like this: https://github.com/cinsk/jekyll-org
Unfortunately development _is_ split across platforms so there are
functional differences between android and ios. I'd love to see it
unified though.
--
-sean
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