* How to generate an index?
@ 2014-05-06 18:32 Sharon Kimble
2014-05-06 18:53 ` John Hendy
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Sharon Kimble @ 2014-05-06 18:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: org-mode
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Now I've got the bibliography working I'm looking at getting indexes
to be generated.
Using my long-suffering "cat.org" with this code in my ".emacs"
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
;; org to latex customisations, -shell-escape needed for minted
(setq org-export-dispatch-use-expert-ui t ; non-intrusive export dispatch
org-latex-pdf-process ; for regular export
'("xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f"
"biber %b"
"xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f"
"xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f"))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
and this is my "cat.org"
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
# -*- mode:org; mode:reftex; indent-tabs-mode:nil; tab-width:2 -*-
#+OPTIONS: toc:nil num:nil
#+OPTIONS: ^:{}
#+TITLE: Cat on the mat - 2014
#+AUTHOR: Sharon Kimble.
#+LATEX_CMD: xelatex
#+LATEX_CLASS: article
#+LATEX_CLASS_OPTIONS: [a4paper]
#+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage{makeidx} %robustindex % Indexing
#+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage[backend=biber,style=verbose,style=numeric]{biblatex}
#+LaTeX_HEADER: \bibliography{cat}
#+LATEX_HEADER: \usepackage[colorlinks=true]{hyperref}
\makeindex
\pagebreak
\makeindex
\begin{document}
* Chapter 1
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer \cite{5} adipiscing elit, sed diam nonummy
nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam erat volutpat. Ut wisi
enim ad minim veniam \cite{15}.
* Chapter 2
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer \cite{7} adipiscing elit, sed diam
nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna\index{magna} aliquam
erat volutpat. Ut wisi enim ad minim veniam,\cite{1} quis nostrud exerci
tation ullamcorper suscipit lobortis nisl ut aliquip ex ea commodo
consequat. Duis autem vel eum iriure dolor in hendrerit in vulputate velit
esse molestie consequat\cite{12}.
\printbibliography
\printindex
\end{document}
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
And I run "C-c C-e l p" to generate the "cat.tex" and the "cat.pdf",
but no "cat.idx" or "cat.aux" is generated. I've tried running "C-c
C-e l l" three times then generating the "cat.pdf" but I can't get
one generated.
I've googled and looked in the "Org Manual" but haven't found how
to do it. Can anyone help please?
Sharon.
--
A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk
my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots
TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk
Debian testing, Fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs 24.4.50.19
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: How to generate an index? 2014-05-06 18:32 How to generate an index? Sharon Kimble @ 2014-05-06 18:53 ` John Hendy 2014-05-07 14:31 ` Sharon Kimble 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: John Hendy @ 2014-05-06 18:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sharon Kimble; +Cc: org-mode On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> wrote: > > Now I've got the bibliography working I'm looking at getting indexes > to be generated. > > Using my long-suffering "cat.org" with this code in my ".emacs" > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > ;; org to latex customisations, -shell-escape needed for minted > (setq org-export-dispatch-use-expert-ui t ; non-intrusive export dispatch > org-latex-pdf-process ; for regular export > '("xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f" > "biber %b" > "xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f" > "xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f")) > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > and this is my "cat.org" > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- > # -*- mode:org; mode:reftex; indent-tabs-mode:nil; tab-width:2 -*- > #+OPTIONS: toc:nil num:nil > #+OPTIONS: ^:{} > #+TITLE: Cat on the mat - 2014 > #+AUTHOR: Sharon Kimble. > #+LATEX_CMD: xelatex > #+LATEX_CLASS: article > #+LATEX_CLASS_OPTIONS: [a4paper] > #+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage{makeidx} %robustindex % Indexing > #+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage[backend=biber,style=verbose,style=numeric]{biblatex} > #+LaTeX_HEADER: \bibliography{cat} > #+LATEX_HEADER: \usepackage[colorlinks=true]{hyperref} > \makeindex > \pagebreak > \makeindex > \begin{document} > * Chapter 1 > Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer \cite{5} adipiscing elit, sed diam nonummy > nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam erat volutpat. Ut wisi > enim ad minim veniam \cite{15}. > > * Chapter 2 > Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer \cite{7} adipiscing elit, sed diam > nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna\index{magna} aliquam > erat volutpat. Ut wisi enim ad minim veniam,\cite{1} quis nostrud exerci > tation ullamcorper suscipit lobortis nisl ut aliquip ex ea commodo > consequat. Duis autem vel eum iriure dolor in hendrerit in vulputate velit > esse molestie consequat\cite{12}. > > \printbibliography > > \printindex > > \end{document} > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- > > And I run "C-c C-e l p" to generate the "cat.tex" and the "cat.pdf", > but no "cat.idx" or "cat.aux" is generated. I've tried running "C-c > C-e l l" three times then generating the "cat.pdf" but I can't get > one generated. > > I've googled and looked in the "Org Manual" but haven't found how > to do it. Can anyone help please? Org is great, but I steer away from looking for Org documentation when LaTeX isn't working. Like others have mentioned, figure out the LaTeX first, then figure out how to make Org do your LaTeX bidding. Did you read through/follow some start-to-finish instructions on how to generate indexes with LaTeX? I've never done it, but just googling "generate index latex" gets me this: - http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Indexing Looks like you have most of what it suggests: 1) \usepackage{makeidx} 2) \makeindex in preamble (though I'm not sure why you have it twice) 3) \printindex to show the index What I don't see of it's suggestions are: 1) Use \index{key} to tell it /what/ to index. What are you hoping shows up in your index? Looks like LaTeX has no idea what words to spit out unless you tell it! 2) Looks like you still might have to run `makeindex cat` after compiling with LaTeX? Re. that last bit, can you try replacing your opening bit with: * Chapter 1 \index{Lorem} ipsum dolor... Then: - Run C-c C-e l p (hopefully that spits out a .idx file since there's at least one word you want to index) - Run `makeindex cat`, which will process the hopefully-output file, cat.idx from the previous step - Re-run C-c C-e l p from Org If that doesn't work, I'd still try LaTeX manually before posting back. So: - pdflatex cat - biber cat - makeindex cat - pdflatex cat Or something like that for your full bib/index workflow. Then, if successful, someone can tell you how to get Org to call the right LaTeX stuff. John > > Sharon. > -- > A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk > my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots > TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk > Debian testing, Fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs 24.4.50.19 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: How to generate an index? 2014-05-06 18:53 ` John Hendy @ 2014-05-07 14:31 ` Sharon Kimble 2014-05-07 15:01 ` Ken Mankoff ` (2 more replies) 0 siblings, 3 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Sharon Kimble @ 2014-05-07 14:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: John Hendy; +Cc: org-mode [-- Attachment #1.1: Type: text/plain, Size: 10751 bytes --] John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes: > On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Sharon Kimble > <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> wrote: >> >> Now I've got the bibliography working I'm looking at getting indexes >> to be generated. >> >> Using my long-suffering "cat.org" with this code in my ".emacs" >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> ;; org to latex customisations, -shell-escape needed for minted >> (setq org-export-dispatch-use-expert-ui t ; non-intrusive export dispatch >> org-latex-pdf-process ; for regular export >> '("xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f" >> "biber %b" >> "xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f" >> "xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f")) >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >> >> and this is my "cat.org" >> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >> # -*- mode:org; mode:reftex; indent-tabs-mode:nil; tab-width:2 -*- >> #+OPTIONS: toc:nil num:nil >> #+OPTIONS: ^:{} >> #+TITLE: Cat on the mat - 2014 >> #+AUTHOR: Sharon Kimble. >> #+LATEX_CMD: xelatex >> #+LATEX_CLASS: article >> #+LATEX_CLASS_OPTIONS: [a4paper] >> #+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage{makeidx} %robustindex % Indexing >> #+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage[backend=biber,style=verbose,style=numeric]{biblatex} >> #+LaTeX_HEADER: \bibliography{cat} >> #+LATEX_HEADER: \usepackage[colorlinks=true]{hyperref} >> \makeindex >> \pagebreak >> \makeindex >> \begin{document} >> * Chapter 1 >> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer \cite{5} adipiscing elit, sed diam nonummy >> nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam erat volutpat. Ut wisi >> enim ad minim veniam \cite{15}. >> >> * Chapter 2 >> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer \cite{7} adipiscing elit, sed diam >> nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna\index{magna} aliquam >> erat volutpat. Ut wisi enim ad minim veniam,\cite{1} quis nostrud exerci >> tation ullamcorper suscipit lobortis nisl ut aliquip ex ea commodo >> consequat. Duis autem vel eum iriure dolor in hendrerit in vulputate velit >> esse molestie consequat\cite{12}. >> >> \printbibliography >> >> \printindex >> >> \end{document} >> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >> >> And I run "C-c C-e l p" to generate the "cat.tex" and the "cat.pdf", >> but no "cat.idx" or "cat.aux" is generated. I've tried running "C-c >> C-e l l" three times then generating the "cat.pdf" but I can't get >> one generated. >> >> I've googled and looked in the "Org Manual" but haven't found how >> to do it. Can anyone help please? > > Org is great, but I steer away from looking for Org documentation when > LaTeX isn't working. Like others have mentioned, figure out the LaTeX > first, then figure out how to make Org do your LaTeX bidding. > > Did you read through/follow some start-to-finish instructions on how > to generate indexes with LaTeX? I've never done it, but just googling > "generate index latex" gets me this: > - http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX/Indexing Thanks, I also used this - http://www.sharelatex.com/learn/Main_Page > > Looks like you have most of what it suggests: > 1) \usepackage{makeidx} > 2) \makeindex in preamble (though I'm not sure why you have it twice) > 3) \printindex to show the index > > What I don't see of it's suggestions are: > 1) Use \index{key} to tell it /what/ to index. What are you hoping > shows up in your index? Looks like LaTeX has no idea what words to > spit out unless you tell it! > 2) Looks like you still might have to run `makeindex cat` after > compiling with LaTeX? > > Re. that last bit, can you try replacing your opening bit with: > > * Chapter 1 > \index{Lorem} ipsum dolor... > > Then: > - Run C-c C-e l p (hopefully that spits out a .idx file since there's > at least one word you want to index) > - Run `makeindex cat`, which will process the hopefully-output file, > cat.idx from the previous step > - Re-run C-c C-e l p from Org > > If that doesn't work, I'd still try LaTeX manually before posting back. So: > - pdflatex cat > - biber cat > - makeindex cat > - pdflatex cat > > Or something like that for your full bib/index workflow. Then, if > successful, someone can tell you how to get Org to call the right > LaTeX stuff. I've been able to get indexing references and a glossary all working, but the results are not pretty! --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ;;; to go into ".emacs" ;; ;; org to latex customisations, -shell-escape needed for minted (setq org-export-dispatch-use-expert-ui t ; non-intrusive export dispatch org-latex-pdf-process ; for regular export '("xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f" "biber %b" "xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f" "makeindex %b" "xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f" "makeglossaries %b" "makeglossaries %b" "xelatex -shell-escape -interaction nonstopmode -output-directory %o %f")) --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ;;; the org-mode file to be converted into "foo.tex" and "foo.pdf" # -*- mode:org; mode:reftex; indent-tabs-mode:nil; tab-width:2 -*- #+OPTIONS: toc:t num:t #+OPTIONS: ^:{} #+LATEX_CMD: xetex #+TITLE: Cat on the mat - 2014 #+AUTHOR: Sharon Kimble. #+LATEX_CLASS: article #+LATEX_CLASS_OPTIONS: [a4paper] #+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} #+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage{imakeidx} #+LaTeX_HEADER: \makeindex[title=Index,intoc] #+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage[backend=biber,style=verbose,style=numeric,intoc]{biblatex} #+LaTeX_HEADER: \bibliography{cat} #+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage[toc]{glossaries} #+LaTeX_HEADER: \makeglossaries #+LaTeX_HEADER: \input{INP-00-glossary} \begin{document} \maketitle * Chapter 1 Lorem ipsum dolor sit \gls{maths} amet, consectetuer \cite{5} adipiscing elit, sed diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna aliquam erat volutpat. Ut wisi enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud\gls{computer}} exerci tation ullamcorper suscipit lobortis nisl ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis autem vel eum iriure dolor in hendrerit in vulputate velit esse molestie consequat, vel illum dolore eu feugiat nulla facilisis \cite{6} at vero eros et accumsan et iusto odio dignissim qui blandit praesent luptatum zzril delenit augue \cite{3} duis dolore te feugait nulla facilisi. Nam liber tempor cum soluta nobis eleifend option congue nihil imperdiet doming id quod mazim placerat facer possim assum. Typi non habent claritatem insitam; est usus legentis in iis qui \cite{14} facit eorum claritatem. Investigationes demonstraverunt lectores legere me lius quod ii legunt saepius \cite{1}. Claritas est etiam processus dynamicus, qui sequitur mutationem consuetudium lectorum. Mirum est notare quam littera gothica, quam nunc putamus parum claram, anteposuerit litterarum formas humanitatis per seacula quarta decima et quinta decima \cite{13}. Eodem modo typi, qui nunc nobis \cite{4} videntur parum clari, fiant sollemnes in futurum. * Chapter 2 Lorem \index{Lorem} ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer \cite{7} adipiscing elit, sed diam nonummy nibh euismod tincidunt ut laoreet dolore magna\index{magna} aliquam erat volutpat. Ut wisi enim ad minim veniam,\cite{1} quis nostrud exerci tation ullamcorper suscipit lobortis nisl ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis autem vel eum iriure dolor in hendrerit in vulputate velit esse molestie consequat\cite{12}, vel illum dolore eu feugiat nulla facilisis at vero eros et accumsan et iusto odio dignissim qui blandit praesent luptatum zzril delenit augue duis dolore te \index{te} feugait nulla facilisi. Nam liber tempor cum soluta nobis eleifend option congue nihil imperdiet doming id quod mazim placerat facer possim assum \cite{2}. Typi non habent claritatem insitam; \cite{10} est usus legentis in iis qui facit eorum claritatem. Investigationes demonstraverunt lectores legere me lius quod \cite{11} ii legunt saepius. Claritas est etiam processus dynamicus, qui sequitur mutationem consuetudium lectorum. Mirum est notare quam littera gothica, quam nunc putamus parum claram\index{claram}, anteposuerit litterarum formas humanitatis per seacula quarta decima et quinta decima \cite{3}. Eodem modo typi, qui nunc nobis videntur parum clari, \cite{9} fiant sollemnes in futurum \cite{8}. \printglossaries \printbibliography \printindex \end{document} --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ;;; "INP-00-glossary" - an external glossary file to keep its contents clean \newglossaryentry{maths}{name=maths,description={Mathematics is what mathematicians do}} \newglossaryentry{computer}{name=computer,description={is a programmable machine that receives input, stores and manipulates data, and provides output in a useful format}} --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- ;;; "cat.bib" only part so you can see what it looks like @Article{1, author = {MacRae K. Pattison J.}, title = {Home chemotherapy.}, journaltitle = {Nursing Times}, year = {2002}, key = {1}, volume = {98}, number = {35}, pages = {34-35}, } @Book{2, title = {Bailliere's Nurses Dictionary}, year = {2004}, key = {2}, editor = {Weller B.F.}, edition = {23rd edition}, publisher = {Bailliere Tindall and Royal College of Nursing}, } @Book{3, title = {Martindale Extra Pharmacopoeia}, year = {1996}, key = {3}, editor = {James E. F. Reynolds}, edition = {31st}, publisher = {Royal Pharmaceutical Society}, location = {London}, } --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- These four files gives the output of "cat.pdf", attached. * Things not working properly - I can't find how to get the title, author and date on a page of their own. - I can't find how to get "references" showing in the table of contents. - The index is working with the default of 2 columns, but I want the page numbers to all be aligned to the right. I haven't yet found how to do it. Can anyone help with any, or all, of the three problems I've just outlined please? Apart from those its working well :) Sharon. [-- Attachment #1.2: cat.pdf --] [-- Type: application/pdf, Size: 39987 bytes --] [-- Attachment #1.3: Type: text/plain, Size: 187 bytes --] -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk Debian testing, Fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs 24.4.50.19 [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 818 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: How to generate an index? 2014-05-07 14:31 ` Sharon Kimble @ 2014-05-07 15:01 ` Ken Mankoff 2014-05-07 15:02 ` John Hendy 2014-05-07 15:20 ` Nick Dokos 2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Ken Mankoff @ 2014-05-07 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sharon Kimble; +Cc: org-mode Hi Sharon, > * Things not working properly > - I can't find how to get the title, author and date on a page of > their own. > - I can't find how to get "references" showing in the table of > contents. > - The index is working with the default of 2 columns, but I want the > page numbers to all be aligned to the right. I haven't yet found how > to do it. > > Can anyone help with any, or all, of the three problems I've just > outlined please? Apart from those its working well :) These are all LaTeX issues, not Org issues. Have you tried searching on https://tex.stackexchange.com/ They are very helpful there, and all of these questions are answered there. https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/29440/how-can-i-get-maketitle-to-create-a-separate-title-page-with-the-article-class https://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/8458/making-the-bibliography-appear-in-the-table-of-contents Etc. I suggest you work outside of Org in pure LaTeX to solve these issues. Then try to get everything working in Org. One step at a time. -k. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: How to generate an index? 2014-05-07 14:31 ` Sharon Kimble 2014-05-07 15:01 ` Ken Mankoff @ 2014-05-07 15:02 ` John Hendy 2014-05-07 15:20 ` Nick Dokos 2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: John Hendy @ 2014-05-07 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Sharon Kimble; +Cc: org-mode On Wed, May 7, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Sharon Kimble <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> wrote: > John Hendy <jw.hendy@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:32 PM, Sharon Kimble >> <boudiccas@skimble.plus.com> wrote: [ snip ] Looks like you're quite close! > These four files gives the output of "cat.pdf", attached. > > * Things not working properly > - I can't find how to get the title, author and date on a page of > their own. Can you clarify? As in you want sort of a "cover page" instead of the title/author/date being toward the top/middle of the page, immediately followed by the TOC on the same page? Googling around, I found a similar question from... myself! - http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-orgmode/2011-04/msg00172.html The suggestion back then was to define your own class, so you'd need to copy/modify Org's default article class so you get something like: \maketitle \newpage \tableofcontents > - I can't find how to get "references" showing in the table of > contents. Google is your friend; there's a bunch of suggestions: - https://www.google.com/search?q=latex+add+references+to+table+of+contents Try the StackExchange ones. You might have to replace your current one-liner with a few other commands as well as loading packages with some varied options, at least from skimming the top hit. > - The index is working with the default of 2 columns, but I want the > page numbers to all be aligned to the right. I haven't yet found how > to do it. Google, again: - http://tex.stackexchange.com/questions/132465/right-aligning-pagenumbers-in-index-with-imakeindex > > Can anyone help with any, or all, of the three problems I've just > outlined please? Apart from those its working well :) > > Sharon. The common theme is Google -> read -> try stuff -> Google -> read -> try stuff -> email Org-mode list :) John > > > -- > A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk > my git repo = https://bitbucket.org/boudiccas/dots > TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk > Debian testing, Fluxbox 1.3.5, emacs 24.4.50.19 > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: How to generate an index? 2014-05-07 14:31 ` Sharon Kimble 2014-05-07 15:01 ` Ken Mankoff 2014-05-07 15:02 ` John Hendy @ 2014-05-07 15:20 ` Nick Dokos 2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Nick Dokos @ 2014-05-07 15:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode One more resource to add to those that Ken and John mentioned is the TeX FAQ. Here e.g. is a section on the TOC/bib question: http://www.tex.ac.uk/cgi-bin/texfaq2html?label=tocbibind Nick ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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