Re: [Bug] Level 2 text not exported in LaTeX (well in HTML) + some comments

From: Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com>
To: Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com>
Cc: "Sébastien Vauban" <wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com>,
	"Eric S Fraga" <ucecesf@ucl.ac.uk>,
	emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Bug] Level 2 text not exported in LaTeX (well in HTML) +	some comments
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 13:35:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <C248EDF4-5ADC-49E9-A31E-2A15A75DDE9E@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87d3saozly.wl%n.goaziou@gmail.com>

On Sep 19, 2010, at 11:24 AM, Nicolas Goaziou wrote:

>>>>>> Eric S Fraga writes:
>
>> So you are saying, if I understand you correctly, that you cannot
>> have something like this:
>
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
>> 1. some text
>>   - a nested list
>>   - with two items
>>   some more text for the first numbered item
>>   - another nested list - with two items
>> 2. the second outer list item
>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> Exactly.
>
>> If so, why not? This would seem to be quite a likely and useful
>> scenario.
>
> It would require a slightly different model with an added depth of
> complexity. To tell the truth, I had looked into this, but hadn't
> found a satisfying (clean) solution.

One clean solution I can think of is to allow terminating a list with
a special item, like

    - one
      - a
      - b
      - @<       (this means sublist ends here)

One could also have - @<< to mean closing two levels.

This would allow stable indentation control.

- Carsten

>
> For example, how should Org handle indentation of such a line, or any
> line within the list? Should it "round" the indentation to the closest
> level of a sub-list? And if you add a new line, should the user insert
> spaces to reach the desired level of sub-list, or should Org TAB-cycle
> indentation through every level of the list? Wouldn't this be painful
> on deeply nested lists? If the list is so long that you can't display
> it's first items, what happens when you want to end the 4th of 6
> sub-lists? Could you remember what proper indentation is needed?
>
> Those questions are more rhetorical than anything else. My point is
> just that this kind of scenario, while certainly doable, would need
> more thought, and much more work to implement. Is it _that_ useful?
>
>> I do this all the time in latex and I was sure that I had done this
>> before in org. Is my recollection wrong? Was this not possible
>> before?
>
> As far as I remember, LaTeX exporter has never been able to parse
> this, though the HTML one did.
>
> Note that a TAB on your line of text was (i.e. in the latest stable
> release) indenting it past the second nested list item. That signifies
> even Org wasn't understanding properly the meaning of your list.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Nicolas
>
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- Carsten