* org-publish future ?
@ 2006-06-05 20:03 Xavier Maillard
2006-06-06 10:03 ` Carsten Dominik
2006-06-10 12:24 ` Bastien
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From: Xavier Maillard @ 2006-06-05 20:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
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Hi,
I was looking on emacswiki searching for publish engines for Emacs.
Actually, I have found at least three of them:
1. muse
2. emacs-wiki
3. bhl
Adding org-publish to this list, we got 4 engines that do merely the same
thing except for org-publish which offers less features. So what is the
current goal for org-publish exactly ? Is there any possiblity that
org-publish be incorporated into something bigger and more insteresting for
us as end users. are there any plans for orc-publish if at all ?
I know David is quite busy with all his projects but I would like to know if
it is worth I learn org-publish in depth or switch to something else. So
David, what are your plans ? :)
Regards
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Xavier Maillard
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* Re: org-publish future ?
2006-06-05 20:03 org-publish future ? Xavier Maillard
@ 2006-06-06 10:03 ` Carsten Dominik
2006-06-06 13:57 ` Michael Olson
2006-06-10 12:24 ` Bastien
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From: Carsten Dominik @ 2006-06-06 10:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
What I like about org-publish is that it is general, and really
focusses on the essentials of just the publishing process, without
intermingling these issues with the formatting issues. I believe you
could publish muse files and bhdl files with org-publish, by just
calling the appropriate functions or if necessary write a trivial
wrapper around them. Maybe you could also publish Org-mode files with
Muse, I am not sure.
I myself don't see Org-mode primarily as a publishing tool at all. The
motivation for writing Org-mode was twofold:
- to get to a handle on the many things I need to do
- to collect all ideas that I had for writing plain text notes
in Emacs into a single mode. For me, Org-mode is vastly more
convenient to use that any other text mode I know of.
David's org-publish gave me a one-key way to get these files on a
webpage, something I use mostly internally to share notes with
collaborators. Importantly, I can let it take care of also updating
any additional files like source code that might have changed and need
updating. That is exactly what I need.
About future development: I really like how basic and straight
org-publish is. No need to create another monster. Maybe add a few
more general publishing-functions (right now there are only two:
org-to-html, and a plain copy for attachments) to save some users from
writing their own. But the basic setup looks fine and complete to me.
- Carsten
On Jun 5, 2006, at 22:03, Xavier Maillard wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was looking on emacswiki searching for publish engines for Emacs.
> Actually, I have found at least three of them:
>
> 1. muse
> 2. emacs-wiki
> 3. bhl
>
> Adding org-publish to this list, we got 4 engines that do merely the
> same thing except for org-publish which offers less features. So what
> is the current goal for org-publish exactly ? Is there any possiblity
> that org-publish be incorporated into something bigger and more
> insteresting for us as end users. are there any plans for orc-publish
> if at all ?
>
> I know David is quite busy with all his projects but I would like to
> know if it is worth I learn org-publish in depth or switch to
> something else. So David, what are your plans ? :)
>
> Regards
> --
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* Re: org-publish future ?
2006-06-06 10:03 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2006-06-06 13:57 ` Michael Olson
2006-06-07 13:08 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Michael Olson @ 2006-06-06 13:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
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Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
> What I like about org-publish is that it is general, and really
> focusses on the essentials of just the publishing process, without
> intermingling these issues with the formatting issues. I believe you
> could publish muse files and bhdl files with org-publish, by just
> calling the appropriate functions or if necessary write a trivial
> wrapper around them. Maybe you could also publish Org-mode files with
> Muse, I am not sure.
Currently it isn't possible to publish Org files with Muse. It will
be one of the goals for the next+1 release of Muse, however. A very
optimistic estimate for this functionality would be October 2006. A
more practical estimate would be December 2006.
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* Re: Re: org-publish future ?
2006-06-06 13:57 ` Michael Olson
@ 2006-06-07 13:08 ` Carsten Dominik
2006-06-07 13:29 ` Michael Olson
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From: Carsten Dominik @ 2006-06-07 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Olson; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Jun 6, 2006, at 15:57, Michael Olson wrote:
>
> Currently it isn't possible to publish Org files with Muse. It will
> be one of the goals for the next+1 release of Muse, however. A very
> optimistic estimate for this functionality would be October 2006. A
> more practical estimate would be December 2006.
I will be very curious to see this exporter, would certainly be nice.
However, what I really meant is if Muse can publish Org-mode files
using the Org-mode HTML generator.
- Carsten
>
> --
> Michael Olson -- FSF Associate Member #652 -- http://www.mwolson.org/
> Interests: Emacs Lisp, text markup, protocols -- Jabber:
> mwolson_at_hcoop.net
> /` |\ | | | IRC: mwolson on freenode.net: #hcoop, #muse, #PurdueLUG
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* Re: Re: org-publish future ?
2006-06-07 13:08 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2006-06-07 13:29 ` Michael Olson
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From: Michael Olson @ 2006-06-07 13:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
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Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
> I will be very curious to see this exporter, would certainly be nice.
>
> However, what I really meant is if Muse can publish Org-mode files
> using the Org-mode HTML generator.
Oh. Sorry for the confusion. That currently can't be done, but I'm
going to try to make it possible before this current release, as a
"future-proofing" measure.
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* Re: org-publish future ?
2006-06-05 20:03 org-publish future ? Xavier Maillard
2006-06-06 10:03 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2006-06-10 12:24 ` Bastien
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From: Bastien @ 2006-06-10 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
"Xavier Maillard" <zedek@gnu.org> writes:
> I was looking on emacswiki searching for publish engines for
> Emacs. Actually, I have found at least three of them:
>
> 1. muse
> 2. emacs-wiki
> 3. bhl
Since you mentionned BHL, let me talk a bit about it.
BHL is quite *old* and buggy - it was my first elisp attempt and it
grew up into something too complicated. Additionnally, BHL support
for the Wiki behavior is not as good as muse's one, so i would only
recommand to use BHL for single document. And since BHL is a tool for
*exporting* files (not publishing them), this wiki behavior isn't
necessary anymore.
In a (no so) near future, i plan to rewrite BHL so it concentrates on
some functionnalities that are not muse priorities. For instance, i'd
like BHL to implement a way of inserting readable bibtex references
(working with reftex), indexes and footnotes. BHL should also remain
a tool for creating human-readable files, excluding any form of
explicit markup.
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Bastien
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