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* search for DEADLINE in warning period
@ 2010-02-09 12:00 Łukasz Stelmach
  2010-02-09 12:28 ` Bernt Hansen
  2010-02-09 13:49 ` Matt Lundin
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
From: Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-02-09 12:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Greetings.

Is there a way to search for a timestamp, particularly a DEADLINE, that
is in its warning period?

Eg.

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---

* TODO Pay the rent
  DEADLINE: <2010-03-05 Fri -5d +1m>

--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

This is a repeatable item so it's always in TODO state and pollutes my
TODO list for 25 out of 30 days in a month. Doing simple 
`DEADLINE<="<+5d>"' does not satisfy me because there are notes I would
like to know about much earlier. That's why I'd like to facilitate the
timestamps' own warning periods.

It seems to be workaroundable by adding a SCHEDULED date

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---

* TODO Pay the rent
  SCHEDULED: <2010-03-01 +1m>
  DEADLINE: <2010-03-05 Fri -5d +1m>

--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

and searching for `SCHEDULED>="<now>"'. But it builds two logs of

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---

  - State "DONE"       from "TODO"       [2010-02-01 Mon 14:23]

--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Is there a cleaner way to do it?

-- 
Miłego dnia,
Łukasz Stelmach

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• * Re: search for DEADLINE in warning period
    2010-02-09 12:00 search for DEADLINE in warning period Łukasz Stelmach
  @ 2010-02-09 12:28 ` Bernt Hansen
    2010-02-09 14:17   ` Łukasz Stelmach
    2010-02-09 13:49 ` Matt Lundin
    1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
  From: Bernt Hansen @ 2010-02-09 12:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Łukasz Stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
  
  Łukasz Stelmach <lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes:
  
  > Greetings.
  >
  > Is there a way to search for a timestamp, particularly a DEADLINE, that
  > is in its warning period?
  >
  > Eg.
  >
  > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
  >
  > * TODO Pay the rent
  >   DEADLINE: <2010-03-05 Fri -5d +1m>
  >
  > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
  >
  > This is a repeatable item so it's always in TODO state and pollutes my
  > TODO list for 25 out of 30 days in a month. Doing simple 
  > `DEADLINE<="<+5d>"' does not satisfy me because there are notes I would
  > like to know about much earlier. That's why I'd like to facilitate the
  > timestamps' own warning periods.
  >
  > It seems to be workaroundable by adding a SCHEDULED date
  >
  > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
  >
  > * TODO Pay the rent
  >   SCHEDULED: <2010-03-01 +1m>
  >   DEADLINE: <2010-03-05 Fri -5d +1m>
  >
  > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
  >
  > and searching for `SCHEDULED>="<now>"'. But it builds two logs of
  >
  > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
  >
  >   - State "DONE"       from "TODO"       [2010-02-01 Mon 14:23]
  >
  > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
  >
  > Is there a cleaner way to do it?
  
  I remove entries from the global TODO lists using the variables
  org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled, org-agenda-todo-ignore-deadlines,
  org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date
  
  This leaves SCHEDULED and DEADLINE items only on the daily agenda view.
  
  So to see deadlines in the warning period I just go to the agenda for
  today (C-c a a) and it shows up.
  
  HTH,
  Bernt
  
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• • * Re: search for DEADLINE in warning period
      2010-02-09 12:28 ` Bernt Hansen
    @ 2010-02-09 14:17   ` Łukasz Stelmach
      2010-02-09 14:22     ` Carsten Dominik
      0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
    From: Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-02-09 14:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: emacs-orgmode
    
    Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes:
    
    > Łukasz Stelmach <lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes:
    >> Is there a way to search for a timestamp, particularly a DEADLINE, that
    >> is in its warning period?
    [...]
    > I remove entries from the global TODO lists using the variables
    > org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled, org-agenda-todo-ignore-deadlines,
    > org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date
    
    Matt's solution with 'near symbol is what I was looking for. 
    
    > This leaves SCHEDULED and DEADLINE items only on the daily agenda view.
    
    I use SCHEDULED to /send messages to the future/ and in fact I've got to
    try to get rid of SCHEDULED and DEADLINEd TODOs from the agenda view
    leaving there only unkeyworderd appointments. I use the
    -SCHEDULED>="<now>" to hide them until they become relevant
    (someday/maybe list). On the other hand DEDLINES are meant to be
    completed by the the designated time but they are still TODOs (next
    actions) and not appointments or things I've got to do *exactly* on that
    date. So I'd like to keep them off of my agenda and on my TODO list. I
    think I'll use (i haven't set up my gtd workflow completely yet) only
    plain timestamps to make notes show up on the agenda.
    
    -- 
    Miłego dnia,
    Łukasz Stelmach
    
    ^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

  • • * Re: Re: search for DEADLINE in warning period
        2010-02-09 14:17   ` Łukasz Stelmach
      @ 2010-02-09 14:22     ` Carsten Dominik
        2010-02-09 14:48       ` Matt Lundin
        0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
      From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-02-09 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: Łukasz Stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
      
      
      On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Łukasz Stelmach wrote:
      
      > Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes:
      >
      >> Łukasz Stelmach <lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes:
      >>> Is there a way to search for a timestamp, particularly a DEADLINE,  
      >>> that
      >>> is in its warning period?
      > [...]
      >> I remove entries from the global TODO lists using the variables
      >> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled, org-agenda-todo-ignore-deadlines,
      >> org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date
      >
      > Matt's solution with 'near symbol is what I was looking for.
      
      For this variable, `near' means the same as `t', or any non-nil value,  
      in fact.
      
      - Carsten
      
      >
      >> This leaves SCHEDULED and DEADLINE items only on the daily agenda  
      >> view.
      >
      > I use SCHEDULED to /send messages to the future/ and in fact I've  
      > got to
      > try to get rid of SCHEDULED and DEADLINEd TODOs from the agenda view
      > leaving there only unkeyworderd appointments. I use the
      > -SCHEDULED>="<now>" to hide them until they become relevant
      > (someday/maybe list). On the other hand DEDLINES are meant to be
      > completed by the the designated time but they are still TODOs (next
      > actions) and not appointments or things I've got to do *exactly* on  
      > that
      > date. So I'd like to keep them off of my agenda and on my TODO list. I
      > think I'll use (i haven't set up my gtd workflow completely yet) only
      > plain timestamps to make notes show up on the agenda.
      >
      > -- 
      > Miłego dnia,
      > Łukasz Stelmach
      >
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________
      > Emacs-orgmode mailing list
      > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
      > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
      > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
      
      - Carsten
      
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    • • * Re: search for DEADLINE in warning period
          2010-02-09 14:22     ` Carsten Dominik
        @ 2010-02-09 14:48       ` Matt Lundin
          2010-02-10 12:19         ` Carsten Dominik
          0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
        From: Matt Lundin @ 2010-02-09 14:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, emacs-orgmode
        
        Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
        
        > On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:17 PM, Łukasz Stelmach wrote:
        >
        >> Bernt Hansen <bernt@norang.ca> writes:
        >>
        >>> Łukasz Stelmach <lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes:
        >>>> Is there a way to search for a timestamp, particularly a DEADLINE,
        >>>> that
        >>>> is in its warning period?
        >> [...]
        >>> I remove entries from the global TODO lists using the variables
        >>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled, org-agenda-todo-ignore-deadlines,
        >>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date
        >>
        >> Matt's solution with 'near symbol is what I was looking for.
        >
        > For this variable, `near' means the same as `t', or any non-nil value,
        > in fact.
        >
        
        Interesting. The docstring for org-agenda-todo-ignore-deadlines seems to
        suggest otherwise. Is this documentation inaccurate?
        
        ,----
        | Documentation:
        | Non-nil means don't show near deadline entries in the global todo list.
        | Near means closer than `org-deadline-warning-days' days.
        | The idea behind this is that such items will appear in the agenda anyway.
        | See also `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'.
        | See also the variable `org-agenda-tags-todo-honor-ignore-options'.
        `----
        
        Best,
        Matt
        
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      • • * Re: search for DEADLINE in warning period
            2010-02-09 14:48       ` Matt Lundin
          @ 2010-02-10 12:19         ` Carsten Dominik
            2010-02-10 18:41           ` Łukasz Stelmach
            2010-02-11 14:07           ` Matthew Lundin
            0 siblings, 2 replies; 12+ messages in thread
          From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-02-10 12:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
            To: Matt Lundin; +Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, emacs-orgmode
          
          
          On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Matt Lundin wrote:
          >
          > Interesting. The docstring for org-agenda-todo-ignore-deadlines  
          > seems to
          > suggest otherwise. Is this documentation inaccurate?
          >
          > ,----
          > | Documentation:
          > | Non-nil means don't show near deadline entries in the global todo  
          > list.
          > | Near means closer than `org-deadline-warning-days' days.
          > | The idea behind this is that such items will appear in the agenda  
          > anyway.
          > | See also `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'.
          > | See also the variable `org-agenda-tags-todo-honor-ignore-options'.
          > `----
          
          This ist just to explain what "near" means in the sentence before.
          I have improved the docstring, thanks.
          
          - Carsten
          
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        • • * Re: search for DEADLINE in warning period
              2010-02-10 12:19         ` Carsten Dominik
            @ 2010-02-10 18:41           ` Łukasz Stelmach
              2010-02-11 16:07             ` Carsten Dominik
              2010-02-11 14:07           ` Matthew Lundin
              1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
            From: Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-02-10 18:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
              To: emacs-orgmode
            
            Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
            
            > On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Matt Lundin wrote:
            >>
            >> Interesting. The docstring for org-agenda-todo-ignore-deadlines
            >> seems to
            >> suggest otherwise. Is this documentation inaccurate?
            >>
            >> ,----
            >> | Documentation:
            >> | Non-nil means don't show near deadline entries in the global todo
            >> list.
            >> | Near means closer than `org-deadline-warning-days' days.
            >> | The idea behind this is that such items will appear in the agenda
            >> anyway.
            >> | See also `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'.
            >> | See also the variable `org-agenda-tags-todo-honor-ignore-options'.
            >> `----
            >
            > This ist just to explain what "near" means in the sentence before.
            > I have improved the docstring, thanks.
            
            And I've made it work with 'near and 'far symbols.
            
            Now org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date can be set to:
            
            nil     - to show (not ignore) notes with deadline timestamps
            'far    - to ignore notes which are further than the warning period
            'near   - to hide deadlines that are really close, good for an ostrich ;-)
            non-nil - do not show *any* notes with deadline timestamps on a todo
                      list
            
            Check it out
            
            http://github.com/steelman/steelman-org-mode/tree/org-agenda-todo-ignore-close-deadlines
            http://github.com/steelman/steelman-org-mode.git
            
            
            -- 
            Miłego dnia,
            Łukasz Stelmach
            
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          • • * Re: Re: search for DEADLINE in warning period
                2010-02-10 18:41           ` Łukasz Stelmach
              @ 2010-02-11 16:07             ` Carsten Dominik
                2010-02-11 17:39               ` Łukasz Stelmach
                0 siblings, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
              From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-02-11 16:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
                To: Łukasz Stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
              
              Hi Lukasz,
              
              thanks for the patch.
              
              I am wondering: What would be a good use case for the `far' setting?
              
              Thanks.
              
              - Carsten
              
              On Feb 10, 2010, at 7:41 PM, Łukasz Stelmach wrote:
              
              > Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
              >
              >> On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Matt Lundin wrote:
              >>>
              >>> Interesting. The docstring for org-agenda-todo-ignore-deadlines
              >>> seems to
              >>> suggest otherwise. Is this documentation inaccurate?
              >>>
              >>> ,----
              >>> | Documentation:
              >>> | Non-nil means don't show near deadline entries in the global todo
              >>> list.
              >>> | Near means closer than `org-deadline-warning-days' days.
              >>> | The idea behind this is that such items will appear in the agenda
              >>> anyway.
              >>> | See also `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'.
              >>> | See also the variable `org-agenda-tags-todo-honor-ignore-options'.
              >>> `----
              >>
              >> This ist just to explain what "near" means in the sentence before.
              >> I have improved the docstring, thanks.
              >
              > And I've made it work with 'near and 'far symbols.
              >
              > Now org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date can be set to:
              >
              > nil     - to show (not ignore) notes with deadline timestamps
              > 'far    - to ignore notes which are further than the warning period
              > 'near   - to hide deadlines that are really close, good for an  
              > ostrich ;-)
              > non-nil - do not show *any* notes with deadline timestamps on a todo
              >          list
              >
              > Check it out
              >
              > http://github.com/steelman/steelman-org-mode/tree/org-agenda-todo-ignore-close-deadlines
              > http://github.com/steelman/steelman-org-mode.git
              >
              >
              > -- 
              > Miłego dnia,
              > Łukasz Stelmach
              >
              >
              >
              > _______________________________________________
              > Emacs-orgmode mailing list
              > Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
              > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
              > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
              
              - Carsten
              
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            • • * Re: search for DEADLINE in warning period
                  2010-02-11 16:07             ` Carsten Dominik
                @ 2010-02-11 17:39               ` Łukasz Stelmach
                  0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
                From: Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-02-11 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
                  To: emacs-orgmode
                
                Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
                
                [...]
                >>>
                >>> This ist just to explain what "near" means in the sentence before.
                >>> I have improved the docstring, thanks.
                >>
                >> And I've made it work with 'near and 'far symbols.
                >>
                >> Now org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date can be set to:
                >>
                >> nil     - to show (not ignore) notes with deadline timestamps
                >> 'far    - to ignore notes which are further than the warning period
                >> 'near   - to hide deadlines that are really close, good for an
                >> ostrich ;-)
                >> non-nil - do not show *any* notes with deadline timestamps on a todo
                >
                > I am wondering: What would be a good use case for the `far' setting?
                
                As I've described it somewhere before I use it (and SCHEDULED) for
                sending messages to myself in the future. The DEADLINE means to me:
                
                  You've got to finish this job before certain time. But don't worry
                  about it if it is not org-deadline-close *now*, you won't find it
                  on your todo list too.
                
                SCHEDULED means more or less the same except that there is no date I
                should complete the job before and I put -SCHEDULED>="<now>" in all my
                filters. For example I've sent send the announcement yesterday, changed
                the the keyword to WAITING and put "SCHEDULED: <2010-02-13 sob>".  Then
                if I wouldn't have found your reply in my inbox by Saturday I would see
                the WAITING item on my todo list.
                
                This is kind of artificial limb util someone writes
                org-reality-depend.el. I haven't decided yet how to cope with all this
                conditions on a timed agenda view.
                
                -- 
                Miłego dnia,
                Łukasz Stelmach
                
                ^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

          • * Re: search for DEADLINE in warning period
              2010-02-10 12:19         ` Carsten Dominik
              2010-02-10 18:41           ` Łukasz Stelmach
            @ 2010-02-11 14:07           ` Matthew Lundin
              1 sibling, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
            From: Matthew Lundin @ 2010-02-11 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
              To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: Łukasz Stelmach, Matt Lundin, emacs-orgmode
            
            Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
            
            > On Feb 9, 2010, at 3:48 PM, Matt Lundin wrote:
            >>
            >> Interesting. The docstring for org-agenda-todo-ignore-deadlines
            >> seems to
            >> suggest otherwise. Is this documentation inaccurate?
            >>
            >> ,----
            >> | Documentation:
            >> | Non-nil means don't show near deadline entries in the global todo
            >> list.
            >> | Near means closer than `org-deadline-warning-days' days.
            >> | The idea behind this is that such items will appear in the agenda
            >> anyway.
            >> | See also `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'.
            >> | See also the variable `org-agenda-tags-todo-honor-ignore-options'.
            >> `----
            >
            > This ist just to explain what "near" means in the sentence before.
            > I have improved the docstring, thanks.
            >
            
            Thanks for the explanation Carsten. That explains why setting the value
            to 'near produced the expected behavior. But I see now that "t" does the
            same thing.
            
            Best,
            Matt
            
            ^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

• * Re: search for DEADLINE in warning period
    2010-02-09 12:00 search for DEADLINE in warning period Łukasz Stelmach
    2010-02-09 12:28 ` Bernt Hansen
  @ 2010-02-09 13:49 ` Matt Lundin
    2010-02-09 13:58   ` Łukasz Stelmach
    1 sibling, 1 reply; 12+ messages in thread
  From: Matt Lundin @ 2010-02-09 13:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Łukasz Stelmach; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
  
  Łukasz Stelmach <lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes:
  
  > Is there a way to search for a timestamp, particularly a DEADLINE, that
  > is in its warning period?
  >
  > Eg.
  >
  >
  > * TODO Pay the rent
  >   DEADLINE: <2010-03-05 Fri -5d +1m>
  >
  >
  > This is a repeatable item so it's always in TODO state and pollutes my
  > TODO list for 25 out of 30 days in a month. Doing simple 
  > `DEADLINE<="<+5d>"' does not satisfy me because there are notes I would
  > like to know about much earlier. That's why I'd like to facilitate the
  > timestamps' own warning periods.
  >
  > It seems to be workaroundable by adding a SCHEDULED date
  >
  >
  > * TODO Pay the rent
  >   SCHEDULED: <2010-03-01 +1m>
  >   DEADLINE: <2010-03-05 Fri -5d +1m>
  >
  >
  > and searching for `SCHEDULED>="<now>"'. But it builds two logs of
  >
  >
  >   - State "DONE"       from "TODO"       [2010-02-01 Mon 14:23]
  >
  >
  > Is there a cleaner way to do it?
  
  (setq org-agenda-todo-ignore-deadline 'near)
  
  With this setting, your items with a deadline will not show up in your
  TODO list until they are within the warning period.
  
  Best,
  Matt
  
  ^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

• • * Re: search for DEADLINE in warning period
      2010-02-09 13:49 ` Matt Lundin
    @ 2010-02-09 13:58   ` Łukasz Stelmach
      0 siblings, 0 replies; 12+ messages in thread
    From: Łukasz Stelmach @ 2010-02-09 13:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: emacs-orgmode
    
    Matt Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> writes:
    
    > Łukasz Stelmach <lukasz.stelmach@iem.pw.edu.pl> writes:
    >
    >> Is there a way to search for a timestamp, particularly a DEADLINE, that
    >> is in its warning period?
    [...]
    >
    > (setq org-agenda-todo-ignore-deadline 'near)
    >
    > With this setting, your items with a deadline will not show up in your
    > TODO list until they are within the warning period.
    
    Thanks a lot. That is exactly what I haven't found in the documentation ;-)
    
    -- 
    Miłego dnia,
    Łukasz Stelmach
    
    ^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 12+ messages in thread

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