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From: Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us>
To: mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: oc-biblatex and biblatex substyles
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2022 22:26:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tueg4ku2.fsf@gmx.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8735n0ss2i.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Fri, 10 Dec 2021 10:54:45 +0100")

Hi there,

Sorry for the slow reply. 

Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:

> Hello,
> Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes:
>> I wonder if oc-biblatex should support loading biblatex-derived libraries,
>> e.g. biblatex-chicago?
>> There’s a quite a few of these libraries:
>>    $ tlmgr search --global "biblatex-" | wc -l
>>      66
>> (This is somewhat overestimating the true number of “biblatex-*”
>> packages).
>> These libraries are typically nie because they are (i) easier to configure
>> than biblatex for a specific style and (ii) actually support some
>> \usepackage keywords that can’t be used by biblatex (e.g. ibidtracker for
>> biblatex-chicago).
>> Thus, it might be able to at least support
>>     #+cite_export: biblatex-$SUBSTYLE
>> E.g. #+cite_export: biblatex-chicago.  But oc-biblatex would likely also
>> have to be able to pickup biblatex-* packages in
>> org-latex-(default-)packages-alist...
>> So maybe it’s a can of worms?
> I don't know enough about BibLaTeX to answer that question. What does it
> entail to "support loading biblatex-derived libraries" in practical
> terms? I assume \usepackage{biblatex-chicago} instead of
> \usepackage{biblatex}, with a different set of options and commands,
> too.

While I haven’t looked through other styles, I would assume the user
commands (“\*cite*”) remain the same.  Only The library differs.  But
sometimes it may introduce new options to the package.

> It may be possible to define a new variable, e.g.,
> ‘org-cite-biblatex-package‘, defaulting to ("bilatex" . nil). It would
> contain entries like (SUBSTYLE . OPTIONS) and would be used to build the
> proper \usepackage invocation.
> I also plan to allow custom commands in "oc-biblatex.el", so it could
> also handle commands introduced by the substyles.
> How we would select substyle from the document is not clear, tho.

> Another possibility it to write, e.g., "oc-biblatex-chicago.el" and
> define a new ‘biblatex-chicago’ export processor, re-using most
> functions from "oc-biblatex.el". It would probably only be necessary to
> re-define ‘org-cite-biblatex-export-citation’ and
> ‘org-cite-biblatex-prepare-preamble’.

Maybe that is a good way.  But e.g. a student once preferred an even more
obscure style, biblatex-aer which builds on biblatex-chicago to make a
style similar to a specific journal.  It could get old quickly...

OTOH, we could select some key derivatives to support.

Kind regards,

And I faced endless streams of vendor-approved Ikea furniture. . .

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-06 21:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-28 17:11 oc-biblatex and biblatex substyles Rasmus
2021-12-10  9:54 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-12-10 16:14   ` Thomas S. Dye
2021-12-12 15:25     ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-12-12 18:37       ` Thomas S. Dye
2021-12-12 18:46         ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-12-12 19:15           ` Thomas S. Dye
2021-12-12 20:31             ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-12-12 21:40               ` Thomas S. Dye
2022-01-06 21:26   ` Rasmus [this message]
2022-01-06 21:45   ` Rasmus
2022-01-06 21:46     ` Rasmus
2022-01-06 22:17     ` Thomas S. Dye

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