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* Bug? org.el:org-open-at-point
@ 2010-09-05 17:28 Achim Gratz
  2010-09-05 17:57 ` David Maus
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Achim Gratz @ 2010-09-05 17:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode


It seems like news: links are always sent to the browser and this
definition is hiding a later invocation of GNUS:

---------------
	 ((member type '("http" "https" "ftp" "news"))
	  (browse-url (concat type ":" (org-link-escape
					path org-link-escape-chars-browser))))
         ;;;
         ;;; some more lines
         ;;;
	 ((string= type "news")
	  (require 'org-gnus)
	  (org-gnus-follow-link path))
---------------

Additionally, if I take out "news" from the first bit of code and follow
a news: link, the code that supposedly opens news links in GNUS doesn't
seem to work on my system (gmane is a foreign server in GNUS here, but
that doesn't seem to be the reason).


Achim.

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• * Re: Bug? org.el:org-open-at-point
    2010-09-05 17:28 Bug? org.el:org-open-at-point Achim Gratz
  @ 2010-09-05 17:57 ` David Maus
    2010-09-05 18:48   ` Achim Gratz
    0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
  From: David Maus @ 2010-09-05 17:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Achim Gratz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
  
  
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  Achim Gratz wrote:
  
  >It seems like news: links are always sent to the browser and this
  >definition is hiding a later invocation of GNUS:
  
  Indeed, this is an inconsistency.  The right way would be for org-gnus
  (and other mail readers, like org-wl) to register the link type.
  
  
  >---------------
  >	 ((member type '("http" "https" "ftp" "news"))
  >	  (browse-url (concat type ":" (org-link-escape
  >					path org-link-escape-chars-browser))))
  >         ;;;
  >         ;;; some more lines
  >         ;;;
  >	 ((string= type "news")
  >	  (require 'org-gnus)
  >	  (org-gnus-follow-link path))
  >---------------
  
  >Additionally, if I take out "news" from the first bit of code and follow
  >a news: link, the code that supposedly opens news links in GNUS doesn't
  >seem to work on my system (gmane is a foreign server in GNUS here, but
  >that doesn't seem to be the reason).
  
  What syntax did you try?  IIRC `org-gnus-follow-link' expects a /Gnus/
  link in path, but RFC5538 ("The 'news' and 'nntp' URI Schemes ")[1] has a
  different definition that must be normalized to a org-gnus.link.
  
  I'll see to provide a patch to org-gnus.el to handle news: and nntp:
  links according to the specs.
  
  Best,
    -- David
  
  [1] http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5538
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• • * Re: Bug? org.el:org-open-at-point
      2010-09-05 17:57 ` David Maus
    @ 2010-09-05 18:48   ` Achim Gratz
      2010-09-20 20:08     ` David Maus
      0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
    From: Achim Gratz @ 2010-09-05 18:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: emacs-orgmode
    
    David Maus <dmaus@ictsoc.de> writes:
    
    > What syntax did you try?  IIRC `org-gnus-follow-link' expects a /Gnus/
    > link in path, but RFC5538 ("The 'news' and 'nntp' URI Schemes ")[1] has a
    > different definition that must be normalized to a org-gnus.link.
    
    I tried news:gmane.emacs.orgmode (incomplete, I know), but any other
    link with authority would produce the same result: GNUS tries to enter a
    group with the literal path as specified in the link and gets stuck.
    
    ---------------
           9:*nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.orgmode
     K     *: //news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode
    ---------------
    
    The correct path syntax suggested by GNUS to give to
    gnus-group-jump-to-group is nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.orgmode, but
    that still doesn't open the Summary buffer and gives no further error
    message.  Browsing around in org-gnus.el suggests that news: links
    should probably not go through that function in org-gnus.el since it
    registers it's own gnus: handler just for that.
    
    
    Achim.
    
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  • • * Re: Re: Bug? org.el:org-open-at-point
        2010-09-05 18:48   ` Achim Gratz
      @ 2010-09-20 20:08     ` David Maus
        2010-09-21  6:44       ` Achim Gratz
        0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
      From: David Maus @ 2010-09-20 20:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: Achim Gratz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
      
      
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      Achim Gratz wrote:
      >David Maus <dmaus@ictsoc.de> writes:
      
      >> What syntax did you try?  IIRC `org-gnus-follow-link' expects a /Gnus/
      >> link in path, but RFC5538 ("The 'news' and 'nntp' URI Schemes ")[1] has a
      >> different definition that must be normalized to a org-gnus.link.
      
      >I tried news:gmane.emacs.orgmode (incomplete, I know), but any other
      >link with authority would produce the same result: GNUS tries to enter a
      >group with the literal path as specified in the link and gets stuck.
      
      >---------------
      >       9:*nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.orgmode
      > K     *: //news.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode
      >---------------
      
      >The correct path syntax suggested by GNUS to give to
      >gnus-group-jump-to-group is nntp+news.gmane.org:gmane.emacs.orgmode, but
      >that still doesn't open the Summary buffer and gives no further error
      >message.  Browsing around in org-gnus.el suggests that news: links
      >should probably not go through that function in org-gnus.el since it
      >registers it's own gnus: handler just for that.
      
      1/
      
      Okay, I've pushed a change to master that adds two functions
      `org-wl-open-nntp' and `org-gnus-open-nntp' to open nntp: links with
      WL or Gnus, respectively.
      
      You have to register one of the functions as link handler, e.g.
      
      ,----
      | (org-add-link-type "nntp" 'org-gnus-open-nntp)
      `----
      
      nntp: links have the form:
      
      nntp://server/group[/article]
      
      Where SERVER is the nntp server, GROUP is the group, and ARTICLE is
      the article number.
      
      Limitations: Dunno how to supply login information in Gnus.  Thus,
      opening a link like
      
      nntp://user@server/group
      
      will drop the "user" part and fall back to nntp://server/group.
      
      2/
      
      Support for news: links is a little bit tricky: They have the format
      
      news:[//server/][group|message-id]
      
      Where GROUP can contain wild-cards (meaning: List all groups that
      match) and MESSAGE-ID appears without a group (meaning: search for the
      message with this id on the server).  And SERVER is optional.
      
      3/
      
      The next step would be to supersede the customization variable
      `org-gnus-prefer-weblinks' by `org-gnus-prefered-usenet-link-type'
      which can be one of:
      
      'http -- create web link to gmane or google
      'nntp -- create nntp: link
      
      Best,
        -- David
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    • • * Re: Bug? org.el:org-open-at-point
          2010-09-20 20:08     ` David Maus
        @ 2010-09-21  6:44       ` Achim Gratz
          2010-09-22  7:28         ` David Maus
          0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
        From: Achim Gratz @ 2010-09-21  6:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
          To: emacs-orgmode
        
        David Maus <dmaus@ictsoc.de> writes:
        
        > Okay, I've pushed a change to master that adds two functions
        > `org-wl-open-nntp' and `org-gnus-open-nntp' to open nntp: links with
        > WL or Gnus, respectively.
        
        Thanks, that looks good.  Gnus still doesn't do anything and silently
        ignores the link, but I'm almost certain that this is due to GNUS and
        how it's currently configured on my end rather than Org...  Amusingly,
        when not registering the link handler, Org creates a new headline at the
        end of the buffer with the link content.
        
        
        Regards,
        Achim.
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      • • * Re: Re: Bug? org.el:org-open-at-point
            2010-09-21  6:44       ` Achim Gratz
          @ 2010-09-22  7:28         ` David Maus
            2010-09-22 16:44           ` Achim Gratz
            0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
          From: David Maus @ 2010-09-22  7:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
            To: Achim Gratz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
          
          
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          Achim Gratz wrote:
          >David Maus <dmaus@ictsoc.de> writes:
          
          >> Okay, I've pushed a change to master that adds two functions
          >> `org-wl-open-nntp' and `org-gnus-open-nntp' to open nntp: links with
          >> WL or Gnus, respectively.
          
          >Thanks, that looks good.  Gnus still doesn't do anything and silently
          >ignores the link, but I'm almost certain that this is due to GNUS and
          >how it's currently configured on my end rather than Org...  Amusingly,
          >when not registering the link handler, Org creates a new headline at the
          >end of the buffer with the link content.
          
          Did you register the link type?
          
          This works for me:
          
          (org-add-link-type "nntp" 'org-gnus-open-nntp)
          
          And these links open fine:
          
          ,----[ *x* ]
          |
          | * X
          |
          | [[nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.general][Usenet 1]]
          |
          | [[nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.general/2005][Usenet 2]]
          `----
          
          Best,
            -- David
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        • • * Re: Bug? org.el:org-open-at-point
              2010-09-22  7:28         ` David Maus
            @ 2010-09-22 16:44           ` Achim Gratz
              2010-09-22 17:41             ` David Maus
              0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
            From: Achim Gratz @ 2010-09-22 16:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
              To: emacs-orgmode
            
            David Maus <dmaus@ictsoc.de> writes:
            > Did you register the link type?
            
            Yes.
            
            > [[nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.general][Usenet 1]]
            
            This one doesn't (just like my example links).  If I add a trailing "/"
            to the link it starts working as expected.  The link without the
            trailing slash does start GNUS if not already running, but does not
            enter the group buffer.
            
            > [[nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.general/2005][Usenet 2]]
            
            This one works without the trailing "/" and continues to work with an
            added trailing "/".  I'm currently a bit short on time to investigate
            this any further at the moment (version of EMACS 23.1 or GNUS 5.13
            here), but maybe a trailing slash should be added to the server part if
            not already there (or even generally, if the second link also works on
            your side).  But it's certainly not a high priority item - for me,
            anyway.
            
            
            Achim.
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          • • * Re: Re: Bug? org.el:org-open-at-point
                2010-09-22 16:44           ` Achim Gratz
              @ 2010-09-22 17:41             ` David Maus
                0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
              From: David Maus @ 2010-09-22 17:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
                To: Achim Gratz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
              
              
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              Achim Gratz wrote:
              
              >> [[nntp://news.gmane.org/gmane.mail.imap.general][Usenet 1]]
              
              >This one doesn't (just like my example links).  If I add a trailing "/"
              >to the link it starts working as expected.  The link without the
              >trailing slash does start GNUS if not already running, but does not
              >enter the group buffer.
              
              I can confirm this.  Looks like a bug in `org-gnus-open':  The gnus: link
              
              [[gnus:gmane.mail.imap.general]]
              
              Fires up Gnus, adds the group to summary but does not enter the group.
              
              @Gnus users: Is this the expected behaviour?
              
              Best,
                -- David
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