From: Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com>
To: Bastien <bzg@altern.org>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org,
Jonathan Leech-Pepin <jonathan.leechpepin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Offer for taking over maintainership
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:24:25 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mwv7np26.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87obfnjlok.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (Bastien's message of "Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:37:49 +0100")
For the sake of record, I will Footnote what Bastien wrote. There will
be lots of Footnotes, not one or two. But I wouldn't alter the article.
Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:
> Hi Jonathan,
>
> Jonathan Leech-Pepin <jonathan.leechpepin@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Either there's some
>> underlying reason for your apparent dislike for Bastien and his
>> approach to maintaining
>> Org, or some argument in the past that I am not aware of.
>
> For the sake of clarity (and history), here is how I understand why
> Jambunathan thinks I am not a good maintainer: he was frustrated with
> the way I handled the merge of the ODT export feature.
>
> The very first ODT exporter was based on two libraries: org-lparse.el
> and org-xhtml.el. org-lparse.el implemented a new export engine that
> org-xhtml.el was using to produce HTML, and org-odt.el would build on
> top of both librairies.
>
> This approach was not satisfactory to me. First, because I found
> org-lparse.el was ugly, mixing the wrong line-by-line approach for
> parsing an Org buffer, and the better "recursive" approach (have a
> look at org-lparse.el to get an idea of whether it is ugly.) Second,
> because I thought having org-xhtml.el along org-html.el was confusing.
>
> Nicolas already started to work on his new exporter, encouraged by the
> first modest proof of concept I had for the recursive approach.
>
> I took the decision to delay the merge of the ODT exporter until it
> didn't rely on org-xhtml.el anymore, because I thought that relying
> on org-lparse.el for two export formats (HTML and ODT) was a wrong
> move, giving the wrong signal to Nicolas.
>
> When org-xhtml.el was not in the game anymore, and when I was
> confident Nicolas was deeply committed to the new exporter, I went
> with the merge. I was happy! I even received kudos from Jambunathan
> when I managed to solve possible copyright issues wrt merging .xml
> files into Emacs (there was a confusion on whether those files were
> copyrighted by OASIS and "mergeable" into Emacs.)
>
> Maybe Jambunathan thought all this was too slow, and based on stupid
> decisions. He was on a sabbatical year at the time, and had plenty of
> time to work on the exporter and to put the pressure on me. I was
> maintaining Org in my spare time, and tried to handle the pressure the
> way I could.
>
> I hope this is faithful to the facts -- all this is publicly available
> on this mailing list anyway!
>
>> Regardless, Bastien is doing a fine job from what I can see, he is
>> certainly actively assisting
>> users who post with questions or bugs, even when they occurred during
>> a time where he was
>> absent (with prior notice). Perhaps he has not contributed to
>> certain aspects as others have,
>> however his presence and monitoring of the smaller aspects does allow
>> for further development
>> to proceed without being interrupted by every issue.
>
> Actually, one of the reasons I want to step down in the long run is
> that I'm a bit frustrated of not having time enough to focus on big
> new features. But the flow of new users and new contributors is
> rewarding enough so that maintaining Org keeps being fun :)
>
> All best,
--
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-02-14 10:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-02-13 18:08 Offer for taking over maintainership Jambunathan K
2013-02-13 19:01 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-13 20:45 ` John Wiegley
2013-02-13 21:31 ` Allen S. Rout
2013-02-13 21:41 ` Russell Adams
2013-02-14 0:11 ` Scott Randby
2013-02-14 9:09 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-13 22:03 ` Charles Philip Chan
2013-02-13 22:11 ` Yagnesh Raghava Yakkala
2013-02-14 8:55 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 9:53 ` Bastien
2013-02-14 9:55 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 9:59 ` Bastien
2013-02-14 10:25 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-13 22:18 ` Bastien
2013-02-14 9:18 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 9:38 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 9:54 ` Glyn Millington
2013-02-14 10:35 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 0:06 ` François Pinard
2013-02-14 8:38 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte
2013-02-14 10:37 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 16:31 ` François Pinard
2013-02-14 23:28 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-02-15 3:23 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-15 4:11 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 1:12 ` Takaaki ISHIKAWA
[not found] ` <CAJcAo8ueOp8dDBwq+bEufZJ1kSZLpVxY36L7eKUt4QDwRH98zQ@mail.gmail.com>
2013-02-14 1:40 ` Fwd: " Samuel Wales
2013-02-14 9:22 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 1:16 ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2013-02-14 6:36 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 6:45 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 9:22 ` Rainer M Krug
2013-02-14 9:50 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 9:53 ` Rainer M Krug
2013-02-14 7:37 ` Bastien
2013-02-14 10:12 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 10:54 ` Jambunathan K [this message]
2013-02-14 16:07 ` François Pinard
2013-02-14 7:59 ` David Rogers
2013-02-14 10:40 ` Nicolas Richard
2013-02-14 11:37 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 11:41 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 11:57 ` Detlef Steuer
2013-02-14 13:26 ` Julian Burgos
2013-02-14 13:39 ` Jambunathan K
2013-02-14 11:54 ` Jambunathan K
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-02-14 15:36 Jose E. Marchesi
2013-02-14 15:41 ` Allen S. Rout
2013-02-14 17:38 ` Jambunathan K
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