From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Jambunathan K Subject: Re: Offer for taking over maintainership Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:24:25 +0530 Message-ID: <87mwv7np26.fsf@gmail.com> References: <878v6s13yo.fsf@gmail.com> <87obfnjlok.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Return-path: Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:39056) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5wSo-0002K1-5X for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:54:54 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5wSl-0007Pp-UC for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:54:50 -0500 Received: from mail-pa0-f49.google.com ([209.85.220.49]:52923) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1U5wSl-0007Ou-MK for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 05:54:47 -0500 Received: by mail-pa0-f49.google.com with SMTP id kp6so1239668pab.22 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2013 02:54:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87obfnjlok.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> (Bastien's message of "Thu, 14 Feb 2013 08:37:49 +0100") List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org To: Bastien Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, Jonathan Leech-Pepin For the sake of record, I will Footnote what Bastien wrote. There will be lots of Footnotes, not one or two. But I wouldn't alter the article. Bastien writes: > Hi Jonathan, > > Jonathan Leech-Pepin writes: > >> =C2=A0Either there's some >> underlying reason for your apparent dislike for Bastien and his >> approach to maintaining >> Org, or some argument in the past that I am not aware of. > > For the sake of clarity (and history), here is how I understand why > Jambunathan thinks I am not a good maintainer: he was frustrated with > the way I handled the merge of the ODT export feature. > > The very first ODT exporter was based on two libraries: org-lparse.el > and org-xhtml.el. org-lparse.el implemented a new export engine that > org-xhtml.el was using to produce HTML, and org-odt.el would build on > top of both librairies. > > This approach was not satisfactory to me. First, because I found > org-lparse.el was ugly, mixing the wrong line-by-line approach for > parsing an Org buffer, and the better "recursive" approach (have a > look at org-lparse.el to get an idea of whether it is ugly.) Second, > because I thought having org-xhtml.el along org-html.el was confusing. > > Nicolas already started to work on his new exporter, encouraged by the > first modest proof of concept I had for the recursive approach. > > I took the decision to delay the merge of the ODT exporter until it > didn't rely on org-xhtml.el anymore, because I thought that relying > on org-lparse.el for two export formats (HTML and ODT) was a wrong > move, giving the wrong signal to Nicolas. > > When org-xhtml.el was not in the game anymore, and when I was > confident Nicolas was deeply committed to the new exporter, I went > with the merge. I was happy! I even received kudos from Jambunathan > when I managed to solve possible copyright issues wrt merging .xml > files into Emacs (there was a confusion on whether those files were > copyrighted by OASIS and "mergeable" into Emacs.) > > Maybe Jambunathan thought all this was too slow, and based on stupid > decisions. He was on a sabbatical year at the time, and had plenty of > time to work on the exporter and to put the pressure on me. I was > maintaining Org in my spare time, and tried to handle the pressure the > way I could. > > I hope this is faithful to the facts -- all this is publicly available > on this mailing list anyway! > >> Regardless, Bastien is doing a fine job from what I can see, he is >> certainly actively assisting >> users who post with questions or bugs, even when they occurred during >> a time where he was >> absent (with prior notice). =C2=A0Perhaps he has not contributed to >> certain aspects as others have, >> however his presence and monitoring of the smaller aspects does allow >> for further development >> to proceed without being interrupted by every issue. > > Actually, one of the reasons I want to step down in the long run is > that I'm a bit frustrated of not having time enough to focus on big > new features. But the flow of new users and new contributors is > rewarding enough so that maintaining Org keeps being fun :) > > All best, --=20