From: Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com>
To: Yasushi SHOJI <yashi@atmark-techno.com>
Cc: bzg@altern.org, michael.ch.brand@gmail.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: link interfering with brackets when abbreviated
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:05:42 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mwh9nf6h.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wqgdv48n.wl@dns1.atmark-techno.com> (Yasushi SHOJI's message of "Sun, 02 Mar 2014 09:22:32 +0900")
Hello,
Yasushi SHOJI <yashi@atmark-techno.com> writes:
> At Sat, 01 Mar 2014 21:20:18 +0100,
> Nicolas Goaziou wrote:
>>
>> This is not a sufficient reason. We are discussing a minor feature.
>> Removing it doesn't remove any functionality to Org, as the "thing" just
>> saves a few keystrokes, on a good day.
>
> Ok. If this is yet another bickshed, I'll drop from the discussion.
This whole thread is about bikeshedding, no "if" involved.
Though, I'm struggling to get a constructive discussion. I asked
a couple of times already in what cases that feature was useful, in
order to understand what some users were missing. I even gave examples
about the inconsistencies in the previous implementation.
And all I got so far was drama.
>> Now consider the following case, where point is before the "a":
>>
>> [[link1]] a very ... very long line of text [[link2]]
>>
>> The previous behaviour implied to also open "link2". This is not
>> really straightforward.
>
> If the point is before the "a", that means the point is right after
> the link, it should open `link1' instead of `link2', IMNSHO. This
> isn't even the previous behavior, I admit,
... which is my point: the previous behaviour was wrong.
> but if you move the pointer to the end of the line (that's right after
> the link2), it _opened_ links2. This behavior works quite well with
> Emacs' cursor movement.
The rewrite did it a few commits ago, but then I was asked to ignore
white spaces after a link, which include the first position after the
link.
I agree I should make a special case here.
> ;; uga, `forward-word' doesn't work as I expected on
> ;; [[http://google.com][google]]. It stops at the first `o'.
I do not understand this.
>> Worse, if `visual-line-mode' is on,
>> [[link2]] can be many lines below. In the following case, with point
>> still before the first "a", opening [[link2]] is just odd:
>>
>> [[link1]] a very ... very long line
>> which spans over many visual lines
>> of text [[link2]].
>>
>> It is odd because in the same situation, without `visual-line-mode' but
>> with `auto-fill-mode' on, C-c C-o will report "No link found".
>
> Both should report "No link found". `org-end-of-line' takes care of
> `visual-line-mode', why not `org-open-at-link'?
I don't know. I just remark that the previous implementation didn't take
care of `visual-line-mode'.
Again, I'm asking to think again the "feature" because it is ill-defined
and doesn't make sense at the moment. Without a correct specification,
it is not worth re-implementing.
With examples, I could understand the real scope involved (even though
your message gives me indications about it) and the type of links we're
talking about (it is easy and quite cheap to find the next link of
a given type, much expensive to look after every possible type).
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-03-02 9:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-03 12:11 link interfering with brackets when abbreviated Michael Brand
2014-02-26 15:10 ` Michael Brand
2014-02-26 15:25 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-02-26 15:44 ` Michael Brand
2014-02-26 15:54 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-02-26 16:22 ` Michael Brand
2014-02-26 16:41 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-02-26 17:03 ` Michael Brand
2014-02-26 17:20 ` Bastien
2014-02-26 19:02 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-02-26 22:54 ` Bastien
2014-02-27 10:28 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-02-27 11:04 ` Bastien
2014-02-27 20:01 ` Michael Brand
2014-02-27 22:08 ` Bastien
2014-02-27 23:43 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-03-01 18:44 ` Yasushi SHOJI
2014-03-01 20:20 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-03-01 20:54 ` Bastien
2014-03-01 20:57 ` Bastien
2014-03-01 21:35 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-03-01 21:50 ` Bastien
2014-03-01 22:14 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-03-02 13:35 ` Bastien
2014-03-03 14:12 ` Matt Lundin
2014-03-02 0:22 ` Yasushi SHOJI
2014-03-02 9:05 ` Nicolas Goaziou [this message]
2014-03-02 13:22 ` Bastien
2014-03-02 14:27 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-03-02 15:49 ` Bastien
2014-03-02 16:32 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-03-03 3:41 ` Josiah Schwab
2014-03-03 5:54 ` Michael Brand
2014-03-03 9:50 ` Context of interaction vs. literal syntactic interpretation (was: link interfering with brackets when abbreviated) Bastien
2014-03-03 16:09 ` Context of interaction vs. literal syntactic interpretation Matt Lundin
2014-03-03 18:00 ` Nick Dokos
2014-03-03 18:13 ` Jonathan Leech-Pepin
2014-03-14 13:46 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-03-21 8:44 ` Bastien
2014-03-21 13:17 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-03-23 22:51 ` Bastien
2014-03-24 13:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-03-01 18:44 ` link interfering with brackets when abbreviated Yasushi SHOJI
2014-02-26 17:42 ` Bastien
2014-02-26 21:15 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-02-26 22:21 ` Bastien
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-03-02 21:16 Gustav Wikström
2014-03-03 1:30 ` Ista Zahn
2014-03-03 19:33 ` Samuel Wales
2014-03-03 19:46 ` Samuel Wales
2014-03-03 22:18 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-03-03 22:33 ` Samuel Wales
[not found] ` <CAJcAo8vh0F0tqgX4=gUhJoWFcAsTiwfyi7Fp=spQeoaBog1OMQ-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-03-04 12:16 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-03-04 20:06 ` Samuel Wales
2014-03-19 11:19 ` Bastien
2014-03-03 10:58 ` Christian Moe
2014-03-03 16:11 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-03-03 23:16 ` Robert Horn
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