* bug#19014: 25.0.50; Disable Org, Tbl, & Text menu items that change buffer when read-only
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@ 2014-11-18 10:43 ` Bastien
2014-11-18 15:01 ` Drew Adams
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From: Bastien @ 2014-11-18 10:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 19014
Hi Drew,
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> There are lots of menu items in the Org menu-bar menus (Org, Tbl, Text)
> that modify the buffer but are not disabled when the buffer is
> read-only. They should be - they are no-ops in this context.
>
> This is all the more important because there are still plenty of menu
> items for commands that are useful in a read-only buffer. Disabling the
> others makes those that are available more obvious and easier to select.
Do you often turn read-only on on Org buffers?
In what circumstances would users turn read-only on in Org buffers?
> That is what we do for the Edit menu, for example. You can use it as a
> model, here.
I understand the suggestion, I'm trying to see if this is important or
not. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
--
Bastien
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* bug#19014: 25.0.50; Disable Org, Tbl, & Text menu items that change buffer when read-only
2014-11-18 10:43 ` bug#19014: 25.0.50; Disable Org, Tbl, & Text menu items that change buffer when read-only Bastien
@ 2014-11-18 15:01 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-22 12:31 ` Bastien
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From: Drew Adams @ 2014-11-18 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bastien; +Cc: 19014
Hi Bastien,
> > There are lots of menu items in the Org menu-bar menus (Org, Tbl,
> > Text) that modify the buffer but are not disabled when the buffer is
> > read-only. They should be - they are no-ops in this context.
> >
> > This is all the more important because there are still plenty of
> > menu items for commands that are useful in a read-only buffer.
> > Disabling the others makes those that are available more obvious
> > and easier to select.
>
> Do you often turn read-only on on Org buffers?
> In what circumstances would users turn read-only on in Org buffers?
Fair enough. The background/context:
1. I don't use Org. Sorry to say that. I've read the manual cover
to cover, I am interested in Org mode, and I've heard only good things
about it, but so far I have not found much use for it wrt what I do.
I use Emacs mainly for playing with customizing it etc. I imagine
I would try doing the same with Org, if I had more time. I hardly
have enough time to keep up with bug fixes of my existing code and
updates required for it by changes to Emacs. ;-)
2. I was made aware of this Org menus bug only by accident. A
Bookmark+ user asked that the bookmark annotation buffer be
optionally in Org mode by default. I added that feature. He then
asked for Org mode also when an annotation is just displayed, i.e.,
not for editing. I added that feature too - the buffer is
(optionally) in Org mode, so you can navigate, show/hide, etc.,
but it is made read-only.
That's when I took a look at the menus, to see what kinds of
operations would be available for a read-only Org buffer. And I
noticed that there are lots of menu items that clearly do not make
sense for read-only. I filed this bug. I think that if this bug
is fixed it will quickly let users know which operations are useful
in this context, and which operations do not modify the buffer.
> I understand the suggestion, I'm trying to see if this is important
> or not. Thanks in advance for your feedback.
Your call. It doesn't matter to me, personally. I'm thinking
only of Org users - what might help them. And you obviously are
a better judge of that. Feel free to close the bug, if you don't
think it needs or is worth fixing.
Regards - Drew
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* bug#19014: 25.0.50; Disable Org, Tbl, & Text menu items that change buffer when read-only
2014-11-18 15:01 ` Drew Adams
@ 2020-05-22 12:31 ` Bastien
0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2020-05-22 12:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 19014-done
Hi Drew,
Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> Your call. It doesn't matter to me, personally. I'm thinking
> only of Org users - what might help them. And you obviously are
> a better judge of that. Feel free to close the bug, if you don't
> think it needs or is worth fixing.
I've never seen this issue brought by Org users in the last six years
so I guess we can safely close this, which I'm doing now.
Thanks,
--
Bastien
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