* bug#19014: 25.0.50; Disable Org, Tbl, & Text menu items that change buffer when read-only [not found] <fd823824-67e5-48be-9535-96c15f1c3992@default> @ 2014-11-18 10:43 ` Bastien 2014-11-18 15:01 ` Drew Adams 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2014-11-18 10:43 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 19014 Hi Drew, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes: > There are lots of menu items in the Org menu-bar menus (Org, Tbl, Text) > that modify the buffer but are not disabled when the buffer is > read-only. They should be - they are no-ops in this context. > > This is all the more important because there are still plenty of menu > items for commands that are useful in a read-only buffer. Disabling the > others makes those that are available more obvious and easier to select. Do you often turn read-only on on Org buffers? In what circumstances would users turn read-only on in Org buffers? > That is what we do for the Edit menu, for example. You can use it as a > model, here. I understand the suggestion, I'm trying to see if this is important or not. Thanks in advance for your feedback. -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* bug#19014: 25.0.50; Disable Org, Tbl, & Text menu items that change buffer when read-only 2014-11-18 10:43 ` bug#19014: 25.0.50; Disable Org, Tbl, & Text menu items that change buffer when read-only Bastien @ 2014-11-18 15:01 ` Drew Adams 2020-05-22 12:31 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 1 reply; 3+ messages in thread From: Drew Adams @ 2014-11-18 15:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bastien; +Cc: 19014 Hi Bastien, > > There are lots of menu items in the Org menu-bar menus (Org, Tbl, > > Text) that modify the buffer but are not disabled when the buffer is > > read-only. They should be - they are no-ops in this context. > > > > This is all the more important because there are still plenty of > > menu items for commands that are useful in a read-only buffer. > > Disabling the others makes those that are available more obvious > > and easier to select. > > Do you often turn read-only on on Org buffers? > In what circumstances would users turn read-only on in Org buffers? Fair enough. The background/context: 1. I don't use Org. Sorry to say that. I've read the manual cover to cover, I am interested in Org mode, and I've heard only good things about it, but so far I have not found much use for it wrt what I do. I use Emacs mainly for playing with customizing it etc. I imagine I would try doing the same with Org, if I had more time. I hardly have enough time to keep up with bug fixes of my existing code and updates required for it by changes to Emacs. ;-) 2. I was made aware of this Org menus bug only by accident. A Bookmark+ user asked that the bookmark annotation buffer be optionally in Org mode by default. I added that feature. He then asked for Org mode also when an annotation is just displayed, i.e., not for editing. I added that feature too - the buffer is (optionally) in Org mode, so you can navigate, show/hide, etc., but it is made read-only. That's when I took a look at the menus, to see what kinds of operations would be available for a read-only Org buffer. And I noticed that there are lots of menu items that clearly do not make sense for read-only. I filed this bug. I think that if this bug is fixed it will quickly let users know which operations are useful in this context, and which operations do not modify the buffer. > I understand the suggestion, I'm trying to see if this is important > or not. Thanks in advance for your feedback. Your call. It doesn't matter to me, personally. I'm thinking only of Org users - what might help them. And you obviously are a better judge of that. Feel free to close the bug, if you don't think it needs or is worth fixing. Regards - Drew ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
* bug#19014: 25.0.50; Disable Org, Tbl, & Text menu items that change buffer when read-only 2014-11-18 15:01 ` Drew Adams @ 2020-05-22 12:31 ` Bastien 0 siblings, 0 replies; 3+ messages in thread From: Bastien @ 2020-05-22 12:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Drew Adams; +Cc: 19014-done Hi Drew, Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes: > Your call. It doesn't matter to me, personally. I'm thinking > only of Org users - what might help them. And you obviously are > a better judge of that. Feel free to close the bug, if you don't > think it needs or is worth fixing. I've never seen this issue brought by Org users in the last six years so I guess we can safely close this, which I'm doing now. Thanks, -- Bastien ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 3+ messages in thread
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