* Re: A bright new Org-mode clone project
2010-04-01 17:39 A bright new Org-mode clone project Julien Barnier
@ 2010-04-01 17:46 ` Detlef Steuer
2010-04-02 4:15 ` Daniel Goldin
2010-04-01 18:18 ` Sivaram Neelakantan
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From: Detlef Steuer @ 2010-04-01 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
.... there must be something special with today ...
:-)
nice one
Detlef
On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:39:14 +0200
Julien Barnier <julien@no-log.org> wrote:
> Dear org-moders,
>
> Today is quite a special day for me, and for many of org-mode users I
> think, because I'm going to introduce a project that, I believe, could
> really help to promote and transform org-mode as a major killer-app.
>
> It has been a long time since I think about it, but now I am going to
> fork the org-mode project. I say "fork", but I should better say
> "clone", because the idea is to reimplement org-mode from scratch
> while keeping the same features, and much more.
>
> Why restart from scratch ? Because I think that org-mode should be
> easier to install and run on different OSes. That's why I'm going to
> rewrite it in C#/Mono : this will assure that the new project can run on
> every machine you can think about, and it would be much lighter on
> resources (especially memory) than Emacs.
>
> Another major change from the current org-mode will be the shortcuts
> and general organization of the interface. Because Emacs keys are
> really to complicated and quite outdated, I'm going to reimplement
> org-mode with a modern graphical interface, which would be almost
> exclusively mouse driven. I also plan to add some 3D compiz-like
> effects that would allow some text animation or blinking in order to
> make tags and keywords more visible.
>
> As you see, the project is already quite advanced and mature. The last
> thing I have to do is to find a name for it. I was thinking of
> "smog-mode", or maybe "frog-mode", but I'm open to any suggestion.
>
> And, of course, feel free to join your forces to this bright new
> project !
>
> Sincerely,
>
> --
> Julien
>
>
>
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2010-04-01 17:46 ` Detlef Steuer
@ 2010-04-02 4:15 ` Daniel Goldin
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From: Daniel Goldin @ 2010-04-02 4:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Detlef Steuer; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
How about smorgasbord-mode?
On Thu, 01 Apr 2010, Detlef Steuer wrote:
> .... there must be something special with today ...
> :-)
>
> nice one
>
> Detlef
>
> On Thu, 01 Apr 2010 19:39:14 +0200
> Julien Barnier <julien@no-log.org> wrote:
>
> > As you see, the project is already quite advanced and mature. The last
> > thing I have to do is to find a name for it. I was thinking of
> > "smog-mode", or maybe "frog-mode", but I'm open to any suggestion.
> >
> > And, of course, feel free to join your forces to this bright new
> > project !
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
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* Re: A bright new Org-mode clone project
2010-04-01 17:39 A bright new Org-mode clone project Julien Barnier
2010-04-01 17:46 ` Detlef Steuer
@ 2010-04-01 18:18 ` Sivaram Neelakantan
2010-04-01 19:05 ` Eric Schulte
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From: Sivaram Neelakantan @ 2010-04-01 18:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Julien Barnier <julien@no-log.org> writes:
> Dear org-moders,
>
> Today is quite a special day for me, and for many of org-mode users I
> think, because I'm going to introduce a project that, I believe, could
> really help to promote and transform org-mode as a major killer-app.
Thank goodness, the killer app is going to special only for today! :-)
[snipped 29 lines]
sivaram
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2010-04-01 17:39 A bright new Org-mode clone project Julien Barnier
2010-04-01 17:46 ` Detlef Steuer
2010-04-01 18:18 ` Sivaram Neelakantan
@ 2010-04-01 19:05 ` Eric Schulte
2010-04-01 19:05 ` J. David Boyd
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From: Eric Schulte @ 2010-04-01 19:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julien Barnier; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Julien Barnier <julien@no-log.org> writes:
[...]
> Why restart from scratch ? Because I think that org-mode should be
> easier to install and run on different OSes. That's why I'm going to
> rewrite it in C#/Mono
There are some very good reasons to avoid Mono [1]. If I could
recommend another language; Clojure [2] is a lisp (which would make
elisp translation easier), and it runs on the JVM making it very
portable.
-- Eric
Footnotes:
[1] http://www.fsf.org/news/dont-depend-on-mono
[2] http://clojure.org/
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2010-04-01 19:05 ` Eric Schulte
@ 2010-04-01 19:05 ` J. David Boyd
2010-04-01 19:36 ` Matt Lundin
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From: J. David Boyd @ 2010-04-01 19:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Julien Barnier <julien@no-log.org> writes:
> Dear org-moders,
>
> Today is quite a special day for me, and for many of org-mode users I
> think, because I'm going to introduce a project that, I believe, could
> really help to promote and transform org-mode as a major killer-app.
>
> It has been a long time since I think about it, but now I am going to
> fork the org-mode project. I say "fork", but I should better say
> "clone", because the idea is to reimplement org-mode from scratch
> while keeping the same features, and much more.
>
> Why restart from scratch ? Because I think that org-mode should be
> easier to install and run on different OSes. That's why I'm going to
> rewrite it in C#/Mono : this will assure that the new project can run on
> every machine you can think about, and it would be much lighter on
> resources (especially memory) than Emacs.
Get real. No one writes any real applications in anything other than
QuickBasic!
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2010-04-01 19:05 ` J. David Boyd
@ 2010-04-01 19:36 ` Matt Lundin
2010-04-01 21:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
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From: Matt Lundin @ 2010-04-01 19:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julien Barnier; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Julien Barnier <julien@no-log.org> writes:
> That's why I'm going to rewrite it in C#/Mono : this will assure that
> the new project can run on every machine you can think about, and it
> would be much lighter on resources (especially memory) than Emacs.
:)
> Because Emacs keys are really to complicated and quite outdated, I'm
> going to reimplement org-mode with a modern graphical interface, which
> would be almost exclusively mouse driven.
I think it would be quite innovative if the user could move
headlines/entries by 1) selecting text with the mouse, 2) using a
drop-down menu option to cut the selection, 3) selecting a destination
with the mouse, and 4) using a drop-down menu option to paste the text.
Also, I would like to request WYSIWYG formatting. Have you considered a
binary format for the files? Then we could use styles to demarcate
separate sections of an org-file instead of all those asterisks!!
> I also plan to add some 3D compiz-like effects that would allow some
> text animation or blinking in order to make tags and keywords more
> visible.
Might I request spinning text? ;)
> As you see, the project is already quite advanced and mature. The last
> thing I have to do is to find a name for it. I was thinking of
> "smog-mode", or maybe "frog-mode", but I'm open to any suggestion.
How about edomgro?
- Matt
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2010-04-01 17:39 A bright new Org-mode clone project Julien Barnier
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2010-04-01 19:36 ` Matt Lundin
@ 2010-04-01 21:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-04-01 23:22 ` Adam
2010-04-02 5:32 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Óscar Fuentes @ 2010-04-01 21:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Julien Barnier <julien@no-log.org> writes:
[snip]
> Why restart from scratch ? Because I think that org-mode should be
> easier to install and run on different OSes.
Are there other OSes besides Emacs? You are talking about the tiny
embedded ones, aren't you?
> That's why I'm going to rewrite it in C#/Mono :
I have no idea why you want to rewrite org-mode in C++ (aren't you going
too far by superimposing the two `+' to save just one character?) but I
have news for you: org-mode already works fine with monospaced fonts.
But all in all, I'll love to run org-mode on my new VHS video recorder,
no matter the font you use. Good luck!
[snip]
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2010-04-01 21:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
@ 2010-04-01 23:22 ` Adam
2010-04-02 5:32 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Adam @ 2010-04-01 23:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
On Friday 02 April 2010 05:39 am, Julien Barnier wrote:
> Dear org-moders,
>
> Today is quite a special day for me, and for many of org-mode users I
> think, because I'm going to introduce a project that, I believe, could
> really help to promote and transform org-mode as a major killer-app.
[ snip ]
Happy April the 1st to you too, Julien.
I daren't announce my Smalltalk Squeak org clone at this stage.
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2010-04-01 23:22 ` Adam
@ 2010-04-02 5:32 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-04-02 5:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julien Barnier; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
:-) This was fun, thanks!
- Carsten
On Apr 1, 2010, at 7:39 PM, Julien Barnier wrote:
> Dear org-moders,
>
> Today is quite a special day for me, and for many of org-mode users I
> think, because I'm going to introduce a project that, I believe, could
> really help to promote and transform org-mode as a major killer-app.
>
> It has been a long time since I think about it, but now I am going to
> fork the org-mode project. I say "fork", but I should better say
> "clone", because the idea is to reimplement org-mode from scratch
> while keeping the same features, and much more.
>
> Why restart from scratch ? Because I think that org-mode should be
> easier to install and run on different OSes. That's why I'm going to
> rewrite it in C#/Mono : this will assure that the new project can
> run on
> every machine you can think about, and it would be much lighter on
> resources (especially memory) than Emacs.
>
> Another major change from the current org-mode will be the shortcuts
> and general organization of the interface. Because Emacs keys are
> really to complicated and quite outdated, I'm going to reimplement
> org-mode with a modern graphical interface, which would be almost
> exclusively mouse driven. I also plan to add some 3D compiz-like
> effects that would allow some text animation or blinking in order to
> make tags and keywords more visible.
>
> As you see, the project is already quite advanced and mature. The last
> thing I have to do is to find a name for it. I was thinking of
> "smog-mode", or maybe "frog-mode", but I'm open to any suggestion.
>
> And, of course, feel free to join your forces to this bright new
> project !
>
> Sincerely,
>
> --
> Julien
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> Please use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
- Carsten
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