* Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
@ 2014-10-18 20:57 Thorsten Jolitz
2014-10-19 6:45 ` Nicolas Goaziou
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From: Thorsten Jolitz @ 2014-10-18 20:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi List,
evaluating this
#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(org-element-interpret-data
'(item (:bullet "1" :tag "hello" :checkbox "trans" :counter 2)
(section nil "world")))
#+END_SRC
#+results:
: 1. [@2] hello ::
: world
the content is always placed on a newline, which looks strange in my
eyes. Is that intended?
PS
and checkbox is ignored, no matter if I give 'on, 'off and 'trans as
symbols or strings.
--
cheers,
Thorsten
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* Re: Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
2014-10-18 20:57 Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter? Thorsten Jolitz
@ 2014-10-19 6:45 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-10-19 7:21 ` Thorsten Jolitz
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From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2014-10-19 6:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thorsten Jolitz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hello,
Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
> Hi List,
>
> evaluating this
>
> #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
> (org-element-interpret-data
> '(item (:bullet "1" :tag "hello" :checkbox "trans" :counter 2)
> (section nil "world")))
> #+END_SRC
>
> #+results:
> : 1. [@2] hello ::
> : world
>
> the content is always placed on a newline, which looks strange in my
> eyes. Is that intended?
It is. You include a `section' in an `item', which is syntactically
wrong. Only headlines can contain sections.
> PS
> and checkbox is ignored, no matter if I give 'on, 'off and 'trans as
> symbols or strings.
You should not provide 'on, 'off or 'trans, and even less strings, but
on, off or trans since your expression is already quoted.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
2014-10-19 6:45 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2014-10-19 7:21 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-10-19 8:04 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-10-19 10:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Thorsten Jolitz @ 2014-10-19 7:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> Hello,
>
> Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hi List,
>>
>> evaluating this
>>
>> #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
>> (org-element-interpret-data
>> '(item (:bullet "1" :tag "hello" :checkbox "trans" :counter 2)
>> (section nil "world")))
>> #+END_SRC
>>
>> #+results:
>> : 1. [@2] hello ::
>> : world
>>
>> the content is always placed on a newline, which looks strange in my
>> eyes. Is that intended?
>
> It is. You include a `section' in an `item', which is syntactically
> wrong. Only headlines can contain sections.
I see.
So when creating an element with interpreted content (that is given as
plain string), I use
- headlines :: (section nil "foo")
- others :: (paragraph nil "foo")
or should it rather be
- headlines :: (section nil (paragraph nil "foo"))
?
>> PS
>> and checkbox is ignored, no matter if I give 'on, 'off and 'trans as
>> symbols or strings.
>
> You should not provide 'on, 'off or 'trans, and even less strings, but
> on, off or trans since your expression is already quoted.
ups ... of course.
One more question:
the :tag property of items is parsed as list (of sec. string(s)) - is it
sufficient for interpreting to give it a plain string: tag: "foo"
instead of tag: ("foo")? It seems to work ...
--
cheers,
Thorsten
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* Re: Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
2014-10-19 7:21 ` Thorsten Jolitz
@ 2014-10-19 8:04 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-10-19 10:01 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-10-19 10:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Thorsten Jolitz @ 2014-10-19 8:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
> Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
[...]
>> You should not provide 'on, 'off or 'trans, and even less strings, but
>> on, off or trans since your expression is already quoted.
One more question: bullet strings are parsed 'as-is', but the
interpreter seems to have its own logic that is a bit difficult to grok
(or are there syntax errors too?):
#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(org-element-interpret-data
'(item (:bullet "-" :tag "hello " :checkbox trans :counter 2)
(paragraph nil "world")))
#+END_SRC
#+results:
: - [@2] [-] hello :: world
#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(org-element-interpret-data
'(item (:bullet "+" :tag "hello " :checkbox trans :counter 2)
(paragraph nil "world")))
#+END_SRC
#+results:
: - [@2] [-] hello :: world
#+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp
(setq org-list-allow-alphabetical t)
(when (featurep 'org-element) (load "org-element" t t))
(org-element-interpret-data
'(item (:bullet "a" :tag "hello " :checkbox trans :counter 2)
(paragraph nil "world")))
#+END_SRC
#+results:
: 1. [@2] [-] hello :: world
--
cheers,
Thorsten
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* Re: Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
2014-10-19 8:04 ` Thorsten Jolitz
@ 2014-10-19 10:01 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-10-19 12:40 ` Thorsten Jolitz
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2014-10-19 10:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thorsten Jolitz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hello,
Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
> One more question: bullet strings are parsed 'as-is', but the
> interpreter seems to have its own logic that is a bit difficult to grok
> (or are there syntax errors too?):
This is simple: ordered lists bullets are always "X.", where X is
a number and unordered lists are always "-".
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
2014-10-19 7:21 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-10-19 8:04 ` Thorsten Jolitz
@ 2014-10-19 10:06 ` Nicolas Goaziou
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2014-10-19 10:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thorsten Jolitz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
> So when creating an element with interpreted content (that is given as
> plain string), I use
>
> - headlines :: (section nil "foo")
>
> - others :: (paragraph nil "foo")
If contents are already interpreted,
- anything :: "foo"
is sufficient, I think. However, when "anything" is either item or
footnote-definition, and contents start with a paragraph,
- anything :: (paragraph nil "foo")
is better due to special handling of the first line.
> One more question:
>
> the :tag property of items is parsed as list (of sec. string(s)) - is it
> sufficient for interpreting to give it a plain string: tag: "foo"
> instead of tag: ("foo")? It seems to work ...
("foo") is equivalent to "foo". ("foo") allows to insert objects, e.g.
("foo " (bold nil "bar"))
Regards,
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* Re: Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
2014-10-19 10:01 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2014-10-19 12:40 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-10-19 17:10 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Thorsten Jolitz @ 2014-10-19 12:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
Hello,
> Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> One more question: bullet strings are parsed 'as-is', but the
>> interpreter seems to have its own logic that is a bit difficult to grok
>> (or are there syntax errors too?):
>
> This is simple: ordered lists bullets are always "X.", where X is
> a number and unordered lists are always "-".
Thx for you answers (to my other post too).
Just to get it straight:
The conclusion of your answer above is that the item-interpreter cannot
produce the complete org-mode syntax for plain-lists that is recognized
by the parser and described in the manual?
--
cheers,
Thorsten
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* Re: Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
2014-10-19 12:40 ` Thorsten Jolitz
@ 2014-10-19 17:10 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-10-19 17:39 ` Thorsten Jolitz
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2014-10-19 17:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thorsten Jolitz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
> The conclusion of your answer above is that the item-interpreter cannot
> produce the complete org-mode syntax for plain-lists that is recognized
> by the parser and described in the manual?
This question is too tricky (and closed) for me to answer.
Regards,
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* Re: Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
2014-10-19 17:10 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2014-10-19 17:39 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-10-20 7:55 ` Nicolas Goaziou
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Thorsten Jolitz @ 2014-10-19 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> The conclusion of your answer above is that the item-interpreter cannot
>> produce the complete org-mode syntax for plain-lists that is recognized
>> by the parser and described in the manual?
> This question is too tricky (and closed) for me to answer.
,----[ C-h f yes-or-no-p RET ]
| yes-or-no-p is an alias for `y-or-n-p'.
|
| (yes-or-no-p PROMPT)
|
| Ask user a "y or n" question.
`----
--
cheers,
Thorsten
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* Re: Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
2014-10-19 17:39 ` Thorsten Jolitz
@ 2014-10-20 7:55 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2014-10-20 8:30 ` Thorsten Jolitz
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Nicolas Goaziou @ 2014-10-20 7:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thorsten Jolitz; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hello,
Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
> ,----[ C-h f yes-or-no-p RET ]
> | yes-or-no-p is an alias for `y-or-n-p'.
> |
> | (yes-or-no-p PROMPT)
> |
> | Ask user a "y or n" question.
> `----
=> nil
The interpreter produces _normalized_ syntax. It ignores indentation,
capitalization on keywords and, obviously, specific bullets (which might
not be allowed in the target environment). This is a feature.
Regards,
--
Nicolas Goaziou
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* Re: Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
2014-10-20 7:55 ` Nicolas Goaziou
@ 2014-10-20 8:30 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-10-20 12:31 ` Nick Dokos
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Thorsten Jolitz @ 2014-10-20 8:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> writes:
> Hello,
>
> Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> ,----[ C-h f yes-or-no-p RET ]
>> | yes-or-no-p is an alias for `y-or-n-p'.
>> |
>> | (yes-or-no-p PROMPT)
>> |
>> | Ask user a "y or n" question.
>> `----
>
> => nil
>
> The interpreter produces _normalized_ syntax. It ignores indentation,
> capitalization on keywords and, obviously, specific bullets (which might
> not be allowed in the target environment). This is a feature.
Thanks for the answer.
I did not mean to point fingers, I just wanted to know if it _can_ be
done and I have to investigate further to find out how, or if I can save
me the time and effort.
PS
Your interpretation of 'obvious' seems (obviously?) be a bit overly
optimistic sometimes.
--
cheers,
Thorsten
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* Re: Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
2014-10-20 8:30 ` Thorsten Jolitz
@ 2014-10-20 12:31 ` Nick Dokos
2014-10-20 13:23 ` Thorsten Jolitz
0 siblings, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Nick Dokos @ 2014-10-20 12:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
> Your interpretation of 'obvious' seems (obviously?) be a bit overly
> optimistic sometimes.
Probably apocryphal but ...
http://mystatpage.wordpress.com/tag/g-h-hardy/
--
Nick
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* Re: Exzessive newlines in org-element item interpreter?
2014-10-20 12:31 ` Nick Dokos
@ 2014-10-20 13:23 ` Thorsten Jolitz
0 siblings, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Thorsten Jolitz @ 2014-10-20 13:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com> writes:
> Thorsten Jolitz <tjolitz@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Your interpretation of 'obvious' seems (obviously?) be a bit overly
>> optimistic sometimes.
>
> Probably apocryphal but ...
>
> http://mystatpage.wordpress.com/tag/g-h-hardy/
Nice.
Whats really obvious is that spelling errors in Mail Subjects become kind of
embarrassing when repeated so often ...
--
cheers,
Thorsten
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