* latex export - skipping lvls breaks export
@ 2010-06-21 17:52 Sebastian Hofer
2010-06-22 9:51 ` Giovanni Ridolfi
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From: Sebastian Hofer @ 2010-06-21 17:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi,
I'm working on a customized latex-export-class for a CV.
I noticed that if you skip a level in the outline structure (cf. example below) it is not exported to latex. Is there a reason for this or could this be changed easily? If so I would appreciate it a lot!
Example:
* Section
** Subsection
*** Subsubsection
* Section
*** Subsubsection
* Section
exports to
\section{Section}
\subsection{Subsection}
\subsubsection{Subsubsection}
\section{Section}
\section{Section}
TIA
Sebastian
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* Re: latex export - skipping lvls breaks export
2010-06-21 17:52 latex export - skipping lvls breaks export Sebastian Hofer
@ 2010-06-22 9:51 ` Giovanni Ridolfi
2010-06-22 11:10 ` Sebastian Hofer
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From: Giovanni Ridolfi @ 2010-06-22 9:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sebastian Hofer; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Sebastian Hofer <sebhofer@gmail.com> writes:
> I'm working on a customized latex-export-class for a CV.
nice!
> I noticed that if you skip a level in the outline structure
> (cf. example below) it is not exported to latex.
> Is there a reason for this
IIRC it depends in how is written the LaTeX export.
(I thought I've read recently this answer by Carsten, but, unfortunately,
I can't find the citation in the list archive)
> or could this be changed easily?
IMHO skipping a level it's <Spock voice> a bit illogical
;-)
cheers,
Giovanni
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* Re: latex export - skipping lvls breaks export
2010-06-22 9:51 ` Giovanni Ridolfi
@ 2010-06-22 11:10 ` Sebastian Hofer
2010-06-22 12:51 ` Robert Hennig
2010-06-22 14:41 ` Nick Dokos
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From: Sebastian Hofer @ 2010-06-22 11:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: Sebastian Hofer, emacs-orgmode
At Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:51:30 +0200,
Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:
>
> Sebastian Hofer <sebhofer@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I'm working on a customized latex-export-class for a CV.
> nice!
> > I noticed that if you skip a level in the outline structure
> > (cf. example below) it is not exported to latex.
> > Is there a reason for this
> IIRC it depends in how is written the LaTeX export.
> (I thought I've read recently this answer by Carsten, but, unfortunately,
> I can't find the citation in the list archive)
>
> > or could this be changed easily?
> IMHO skipping a level it's <Spock voice> a bit illogical
> ;-)
I guess it depends on the situation, it may or may not be illogical.
Anyway, I don't see a reason why the user should not be allowed to decide himself or herself to skip a level.
Cheers,
Sebastian
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* Re: Re: latex export - skipping lvls breaks export
2010-06-22 11:10 ` Sebastian Hofer
@ 2010-06-22 12:51 ` Robert Hennig
2010-06-22 13:06 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-06-22 14:41 ` Nick Dokos
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From: Robert Hennig @ 2010-06-22 12:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Sebastian Hofer wrote:
> At Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:51:30 +0200,
> Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:
>> Sebastian Hofer <sebhofer@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> I'm working on a customized latex-export-class for a CV.
>> nice!
>>> I noticed that if you skip a level in the outline structure
>>> (cf. example below) it is not exported to latex.
>>> Is there a reason for this
>> IIRC it depends in how is written the LaTeX export.
>> (I thought I've read recently this answer by Carsten, but, unfortunately,
>> I can't find the citation in the list archive)
>>
>>> or could this be changed easily?
>> IMHO skipping a level it's <Spock voice> a bit illogical
>> ;-)
> I guess it depends on the situation, it may or may not be illogical.
> Anyway, I don't see a reason why the user should not be allowed to decide himself or herself to skip a level.
>
> Cheers,
> Sebastian
>
I'm working on the translation of a book and the Table of Contents has a
odd structure. I would also appreciate if skipping a level in the
structure could be possible. One reason to have this working is
if you want to have a itemized outline at several levels.
Best regards,
Robert Hennig
>
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* Re: Re: latex export - skipping lvls breaks export
2010-06-22 12:51 ` Robert Hennig
@ 2010-06-22 13:06 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-06-22 14:40 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-06-22 14:43 ` Sebastian Hofer
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From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-06-22 13:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Hennig; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Jun 22, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Robert Hennig wrote:
> Sebastian Hofer wrote:
>> At Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:51:30 +0200,
>> Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:
>>> Sebastian Hofer <sebhofer@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> I'm working on a customized latex-export-class for a CV.
>>> nice!
>>>> I noticed that if you skip a level in the outline structure
>>>> (cf. example below) it is not exported to latex.
>>>> Is there a reason for this
>>> IIRC it depends in how is written the LaTeX export.
>>> (I thought I've read recently this answer by Carsten, but,
>>> unfortunately,
>>> I can't find the citation in the list archive)
>>>
>>>> or could this be changed easily?
>>> IMHO skipping a level it's <Spock voice> a bit illogical
>>> ;-)
>> I guess it depends on the situation, it may or may not be illogical.
>> Anyway, I don't see a reason why the user should not be allowed to
>> decide himself or herself to skip a level.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sebastian
>>
>
> I'm working on the translation of a book and the Table of Contents
> has a
> odd structure. I would also appreciate if skipping a level in the
> structure could be possible. One reason to have this working is
> if you want to have a itemized outline at several levels.
I have nothing against skipping levels - the HTML exporter
allows it. But, the LaTeX exporter does not. If someone can
come up with a good patch, I'd consider putting it in. The
patch may not be trivial though...
- Carsten
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* Re: latex export - skipping lvls breaks export
2010-06-22 13:06 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2010-06-22 14:40 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-06-22 14:43 ` Sebastian Hofer
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Sébastien Vauban @ 2010-06-22 14:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hi all,
Carsten Dominik wrote:
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Robert Hennig wrote:
>> Sebastian Hofer wrote:
>>> Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:
>>>> Sebastian Hofer <sebhofer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> I noticed that if you skip a level in the outline structure (cf. example
>>>>> below) it is not exported to latex. Is there a reason for this?
>>>>
>>>> IIRC it depends in how is written the LaTeX export.
>>>>
>>>> IMHO skipping a level it's <Spock voice> a bit illogical
>>>
>>> I guess it depends on the situation, it may or may not be illogical.
>>
>> I'm working on the translation of a book and the Table of Contents has a
>> odd structure. I would also appreciate if skipping a level in the structure
>> could be possible.
>
> I have nothing against skipping levels - the HTML exporter allows it. But,
> the LaTeX exporter does not. If someone can come up with a good patch, I'd
> consider putting it in. The patch may not be trivial though...
Just for the sake of completeness, here is another (very) good reason to allow
such a thing: for Beamer, with the sidebar outer theme, which allows you to
see, on every slide, where you are in the TOC (up to 2 levels).
If you have such a TOC:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
1. Intro
2. The meat
1. Why?
2. Why not?
3. Conclusion
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
and have frames level beginning at 3, you would have in Org:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
* Intro
*** Introduction
This is first slide.
* The meat
** Why?
*** Why to do this?
Second slide.
** Why not?
*** Why not to do this?
Third slide.
* Conclusion
*** Conclusion
Last slide.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
So, the solutions are:
1. To allow for skipped levels
-> Sidebar is exactly as it should.
2. Not to export skipped levels
-> You need to insert a level-2 for the Introduction and Conclusion
a. Empty title (such as `** ')
-> Empty space in the TOC displayed in the sidebar
-> Bad!
b. Repeat the title of level-1
-> Not nice...
So, allowing for skipped levels seems the only nice way for me. Did you follow
me?
Best regards,
Seb
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* Re: Re: latex export - skipping lvls breaks export
2010-06-22 11:10 ` Sebastian Hofer
2010-06-22 12:51 ` Robert Hennig
@ 2010-06-22 14:41 ` Nick Dokos
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From: Nick Dokos @ 2010-06-22 14:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sebastian Hofer; +Cc: nicholas.dokos, emacs-orgmode
Sebastian Hofer <sebhofer@gmail.com> wrote:
> At Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:51:30 +0200,
> Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:
> >
> > Sebastian Hofer <sebhofer@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > I'm working on a customized latex-export-class for a CV.
> > nice!
> > > I noticed that if you skip a level in the outline structure
> > > (cf. example below) it is not exported to latex.
> > > Is there a reason for this
> > IIRC it depends in how is written the LaTeX export.
> > (I thought I've read recently this answer by Carsten, but, unfortunately,
> > I can't find the citation in the list archive)
> >
> > > or could this be changed easily?
> > IMHO skipping a level it's <Spock voice> a bit illogical
> > ;-)
> I guess it depends on the situation, it may or may not be illogical.
> Anyway, I don't see a reason why the user should not be allowed to decide himself or herself to skip a level.
>
If the outline tree were a real tree, skipping a level would be
equivalent to chopping out a node somewhere in the middle. Would you
expect the tree to stay intact?
Tongue-firmly-in-cheek-ly yours,
Nick
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* Re: latex export - skipping lvls breaks export
2010-06-22 13:06 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-06-22 14:40 ` Sébastien Vauban
@ 2010-06-22 14:43 ` Sebastian Hofer
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Sebastian Hofer @ 2010-06-22 14:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: emacs-orgmode
At Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:06:08 +0200,
Carsten Dominik wrote:
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2010, at 2:51 PM, Robert Hennig wrote:
>
> > Sebastian Hofer wrote:
> >> At Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:51:30 +0200,
> >> Giovanni Ridolfi wrote:
> >>> Sebastian Hofer <sebhofer@gmail.com> writes:
> >>>
> >>>> I'm working on a customized latex-export-class for a CV.
> >>> nice!
> >>>> I noticed that if you skip a level in the outline structure
> >>>> (cf. example below) it is not exported to latex.
> >>>> Is there a reason for this
> >>> IIRC it depends in how is written the LaTeX export.
> >>> (I thought I've read recently this answer by Carsten, but,
> >>> unfortunately,
> >>> I can't find the citation in the list archive)
> >>>
> >>>> or could this be changed easily?
> >>> IMHO skipping a level it's <Spock voice> a bit illogical
> >>> ;-)
> >> I guess it depends on the situation, it may or may not be illogical.
> >> Anyway, I don't see a reason why the user should not be allowed to
> >> decide himself or herself to skip a level.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >
> > I'm working on the translation of a book and the Table of Contents
> > has a
> > odd structure. I would also appreciate if skipping a level in the
> > structure could be possible. One reason to have this working is
> > if you want to have a itemized outline at several levels.
>
>
> I have nothing against skipping levels - the HTML exporter
> allows it. But, the LaTeX exporter does not. If someone can
> come up with a good patch, I'd consider putting it in. The
> patch may not be trivial though...
>
I will try to come up with one, but I'm not sure I can do it as my lisp skills are still quite basic. So if anyone else wants to take a
shot at this, I'm thankful for any help!
Thanks for the clarification though!
Cheers,
Sebastian
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