* [OT] A new web browser‽
@ 2016-04-08 21:23 Marcin Borkowski
2016-04-08 22:00 ` Adam Porter
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0 siblings, 4 replies; 46+ messages in thread
From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2016-04-08 21:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Org-Mode mailing list
https://vivaldi.com/
Did anyone hear about it? Any thoughts/experiences? "Taking notes
while browsing" seems to be something close to org-capture, no?
Keyboard-driven might mean either vim-like or emacs-like bindings, or
(hopefully) configurable ones. I, for one, would like to try it out,
though I do not have too high hopes.
Best,
--
Marcin Borkowski
http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski
Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science
Adam Mickiewicz University
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-08 21:23 [OT] A new web browser‽ Marcin Borkowski @ 2016-04-08 22:00 ` Adam Porter 2016-04-09 2:26 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-09 18:09 ` Marcin Borkowski [not found] ` <7898023d27c24c4894e4dbea75d02c27@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Adam Porter @ 2016-04-08 22:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Marcin Borkowski <mbork <at> mbork.pl> writes: > https://vivaldi.com/ > > Did anyone hear about it? Any thoughts/experiences? "Taking notes > while browsing" seems to be something close to org-capture, no? > Keyboard-driven might mean either vim-like or emacs-like bindings, or > (hopefully) configurable ones. I, for one, would like to try it out, > though I do not have too high hopes. It looks interesting, but it's not free software, so I have no interest myself. Firefox/Iceweasel has been serving me well since before it was Firefox, and Pentadactyl has been my primary UI to it for a long time. I don't feel like Mozilla is taking it in a good direction anymore, but if it ever gets too bad, there's Iceweasel, and there's Pale Moon (which has committed to "classic" Firefox extension APIs and UI), and there are other alternatives like Conkeror, uzbl, etc. Even if you don't care about free software, Vivaldi is made by former Opera devs, so how do we know they aren't just repeating a cycle? It could go the same direction Opera went and need to be rebooted again. As long as it's proprietary, that's a risk its users will always face. My two cents. :) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-08 22:00 ` Adam Porter @ 2016-04-09 2:26 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-09 14:21 ` Rasmus ` (3 more replies) 2016-04-09 18:09 ` Marcin Borkowski 1 sibling, 4 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-09 2:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> writes: > Marcin Borkowski <mbork <at> mbork.pl> writes: > >> https://vivaldi.com/ >> >> Did anyone hear about it? Any thoughts/experiences? "Taking notes >> while browsing" seems to be something close to org-capture, no? >> Keyboard-driven might mean either vim-like or emacs-like bindings, or >> (hopefully) configurable ones. I, for one, would like to try it out, >> though I do not have too high hopes. > > It looks interesting, but it's not free software, so I have no interest > myself. Firefox/Iceweasel has been serving me well since before it was > Firefox, and Pentadactyl has been my primary UI to it for a long time. I > don't feel like Mozilla is taking it in a good direction anymore, but if it > ever gets too bad, there's Iceweasel, and there's Pale Moon (which has > committed to "classic" Firefox extension APIs and UI), and there are other > alternatives like Conkeror, uzbl, etc. > > Even if you don't care about free software, Vivaldi is made by former Opera > devs, so how do we know they aren't just repeating a cycle? It could go the > same direction Opera went and need to be rebooted again. As long as it's > proprietary, that's a risk its users will always face. I've been using Conkeror (based on Xulrunner/Firefox) for a while now, and like it enough to stick with it. It's completely keyboard driven, which I love. It's also not super stable, nor does it seem to be actively maintained, which I don't love. If anyone has recommendations for better keyboard-driven browsers, I'd love to hear them... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-09 2:26 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-09 14:21 ` Rasmus 2016-04-10 2:32 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-09 18:09 ` Marcin Borkowski ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Rasmus @ 2016-04-09 14:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> writes: > >> Marcin Borkowski <mbork <at> mbork.pl> writes: >> >>> https://vivaldi.com/ >>> >>> Did anyone hear about it? Any thoughts/experiences? "Taking notes >>> while browsing" seems to be something close to org-capture, no? >>> Keyboard-driven might mean either vim-like or emacs-like bindings, or >>> (hopefully) configurable ones. I, for one, would like to try it out, >>> though I do not have too high hopes. >> >> It looks interesting, but it's not free software, so I have no interest >> myself. Firefox/Iceweasel has been serving me well since before it was >> Firefox, and Pentadactyl has been my primary UI to it for a long time. I >> don't feel like Mozilla is taking it in a good direction anymore, but if it >> ever gets too bad, there's Iceweasel, and there's Pale Moon (which has >> committed to "classic" Firefox extension APIs and UI), and there are other >> alternatives like Conkeror, uzbl, etc. >> >> Even if you don't care about free software, Vivaldi is made by former Opera >> devs, so how do we know they aren't just repeating a cycle? It could go the >> same direction Opera went and need to be rebooted again. As long as it's >> proprietary, that's a risk its users will always face. > > I've been using Conkeror (based on Xulrunner/Firefox) for a while now, > and like it enough to stick with it. It's completely keyboard driven, > which I love. It's also not super stable, nor does it seem to be > actively maintained, which I don't love. If anyone has recommendations > for better keyboard-driven browsers, I'd love to hear them... Maybe Firefox with keysnail. -- Sådan en god dansk lagereddike kan man slet ikke bruge mere ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-09 14:21 ` Rasmus @ 2016-04-10 2:32 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-10 2:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Rasmus <rasmus@gmx.us> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > >> Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> writes: >> >>> Marcin Borkowski <mbork <at> mbork.pl> writes: >>> >>>> https://vivaldi.com/ >>>> >>>> Did anyone hear about it? Any thoughts/experiences? "Taking notes >>>> while browsing" seems to be something close to org-capture, no? >>>> Keyboard-driven might mean either vim-like or emacs-like bindings, or >>>> (hopefully) configurable ones. I, for one, would like to try it out, >>>> though I do not have too high hopes. >>> >>> It looks interesting, but it's not free software, so I have no interest >>> myself. Firefox/Iceweasel has been serving me well since before it was >>> Firefox, and Pentadactyl has been my primary UI to it for a long time. I >>> don't feel like Mozilla is taking it in a good direction anymore, but if it >>> ever gets too bad, there's Iceweasel, and there's Pale Moon (which has >>> committed to "classic" Firefox extension APIs and UI), and there are other >>> alternatives like Conkeror, uzbl, etc. >>> >>> Even if you don't care about free software, Vivaldi is made by former Opera >>> devs, so how do we know they aren't just repeating a cycle? It could go the >>> same direction Opera went and need to be rebooted again. As long as it's >>> proprietary, that's a risk its users will always face. >> >> I've been using Conkeror (based on Xulrunner/Firefox) for a while now, >> and like it enough to stick with it. It's completely keyboard driven, >> which I love. It's also not super stable, nor does it seem to be >> actively maintained, which I don't love. If anyone has recommendations >> for better keyboard-driven browsers, I'd love to hear them... > > Maybe Firefox with keysnail. That's a new one for me -- thanks! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-09 2:26 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-09 14:21 ` Rasmus @ 2016-04-09 18:09 ` Marcin Borkowski 2016-04-11 12:52 ` Peter Davis [not found] ` <d1715d3fcd2f4cac8d22676989c776f0@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> 2016-04-12 17:53 ` Haider Rizvi 3 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2016-04-09 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On 2016-04-09, at 02:26, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> writes: > >> Marcin Borkowski <mbork <at> mbork.pl> writes: >> >>> https://vivaldi.com/ >>> >>> Did anyone hear about it? Any thoughts/experiences? "Taking notes >>> while browsing" seems to be something close to org-capture, no? >>> Keyboard-driven might mean either vim-like or emacs-like bindings, or >>> (hopefully) configurable ones. I, for one, would like to try it out, >>> though I do not have too high hopes. >> >> It looks interesting, but it's not free software, so I have no interest >> myself. Firefox/Iceweasel has been serving me well since before it was >> Firefox, and Pentadactyl has been my primary UI to it for a long time. I >> don't feel like Mozilla is taking it in a good direction anymore, but if it >> ever gets too bad, there's Iceweasel, and there's Pale Moon (which has >> committed to "classic" Firefox extension APIs and UI), and there are other >> alternatives like Conkeror, uzbl, etc. >> >> Even if you don't care about free software, Vivaldi is made by former Opera >> devs, so how do we know they aren't just repeating a cycle? It could go the >> same direction Opera went and need to be rebooted again. As long as it's >> proprietary, that's a risk its users will always face. > > I've been using Conkeror (based on Xulrunner/Firefox) for a while now, > and like it enough to stick with it. It's completely keyboard driven, > which I love. It's also not super stable, nor does it seem to be > actively maintained, which I don't love. If anyone has recommendations > for better keyboard-driven browsers, I'd love to hear them... eww ;-) But seriously, I'd also like to hear them! Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-09 18:09 ` Marcin Borkowski @ 2016-04-11 12:52 ` Peter Davis [not found] ` <jhkstcxkt1.ln2@news.c0t0d0s0.de> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Peter Davis @ 2016-04-11 12:52 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode On Sat, Apr 9, 2016, at 02:09 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > > eww ;-) > I never played with eww before. It looks interesting, but seriously, is there any way to cancel a large download? My emacs is completely locked up now downloading an image from a site. I assume it's all customized with lisp, and you can set it to not download images except on request. Thanks! -pd -- Peter Davis www.techcurmudgeon.com www.timebums.com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
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* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ [not found] ` <jhkstcxkt1.ln2@news.c0t0d0s0.de> @ 2016-04-12 12:14 ` Sharon Kimble 2016-04-12 12:58 ` Phillip Lord 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Sharon Kimble @ 2016-04-12 12:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Welle; +Cc: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1040 bytes --] Michael Welle <mwe012008@gmx.net> writes: > Hallo, > > Peter Davis <pfd@pfdstudio.com> writes: > >> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016, at 02:09 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >>> >>> eww ;-) >>> >> >> I never played with eww before. It looks interesting, but seriously, is >> there any way to cancel a large download? My emacs is completely locked >> up now downloading an image from a site. >> >> I assume it's all customized with lisp, and you can set it to not >> download images except on request. > that's what bothered me the most the last time I tested eww. It's the > same when the website doesn't respond. > > I made a little selection box that pops up whenever I click on a link in > Emacs. I can choose between ff, w3m and eww. I usually choose them in > that order. I use w3m quite a bit and eww almost never. > That sounds interesting, can you share the code please? Thanks Sharon. -- A taste of linux = http://www.sharons.org.uk TGmeds = http://www.tgmeds.org.uk Debian 8.4, fluxbox 1.3.7, emacs 25.0.92 [-- Attachment #2: signature.asc --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 818 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ [not found] ` <jhkstcxkt1.ln2@news.c0t0d0s0.de> 2016-04-12 12:14 ` Sharon Kimble @ 2016-04-12 12:58 ` Phillip Lord [not found] ` <f89vtcxd4l.ln2@news.c0t0d0s0.de> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Phillip Lord @ 2016-04-12 12:58 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Welle; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Michael Welle <mwe012008@gmx.net> writes: > Hallo, > > Peter Davis <pfd@pfdstudio.com> writes: > >> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016, at 02:09 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >>> >>> eww ;-) >>> >> >> I never played with eww before. It looks interesting, but seriously, is >> there any way to cancel a large download? My emacs is completely locked >> up now downloading an image from a site. >> >> I assume it's all customized with lisp, and you can set it to not >> download images except on request. > that's what bothered me the most the last time I tested eww. It's the > same when the website doesn't respond. Did you submit a bug report? Phil ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
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* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ [not found] ` <f89vtcxd4l.ln2@news.c0t0d0s0.de> @ 2016-04-12 13:51 ` Phillip Lord 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Phillip Lord @ 2016-04-12 13:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michael Welle; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Michael Welle <mwe012008@gmx.net> writes: >> Did you submit a bug report? > no, I didn't. I think it's by design and more a feature request than a > bug. And to be honest, eww is not so important to me. w3m works quite > nice. The bug tracker is for feature requests also! Phil ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
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* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ [not found] ` <d1715d3fcd2f4cac8d22676989c776f0@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> @ 2016-04-09 19:01 ` Eric S Fraga 2016-04-10 2:37 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2016-04-09 19:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marcin Borkowski; +Cc: Eric Abrahamsen, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Saturday, 9 Apr 2016 at 18:09, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > On 2016-04-09, at 02:26, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: [...] >> actively maintained, which I don't love. If anyone has recommendations >> for better keyboard-driven browsers, I'd love to hear them... > > eww ;-) I use this as my first port of call typically. For many of the web sites I visit, it does the job very well. > But seriously, I'd also like to hear them! For those that a full graphical browser with javascript etc., I use Firefox with vimperator (http://www.vimperator.org/) which fits nicely with my use of evil in emacs... -- : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 25.0.92.1, Org release_8.3.4-705-g716e33 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-09 19:01 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2016-04-10 2:37 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-10 2:42 ` Eric Abrahamsen [not found] ` <82d014ad65e143e796ead469da868eff@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> 0 siblings, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-10 2:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes: > On Saturday, 9 Apr 2016 at 18:09, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >> On 2016-04-09, at 02:26, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > > [...] > >>> actively maintained, which I don't love. If anyone has recommendations >>> for better keyboard-driven browsers, I'd love to hear them... >> >> eww ;-) > > I use this as my first port of call typically. For many of the web > sites I visit, it does the job very well. I really should get used to using eww for basic browsing. It's silly, but I think one of the obstacles has simply been that I haven't s >> But seriously, I'd also like to hear them! > > For those that a full graphical browser with javascript etc., I use > Firefox with vimperator (http://www.vimperator.org/) which fits nicely > with my use of evil in emacs... I don't think I'm ready to learn a whole new approach to keyboard navigation (though I've had to get used to hjkl in the i3 window manager) so this probably isn't that likely. But the KeySnail that Rasmu mentioned bills itself as the Emacs-inspired version of Vimperator, so that's encouraging. I just hope it's as flexible as Conkeror... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-10 2:37 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-10 2:42 ` Eric Abrahamsen [not found] ` <82d014ad65e143e796ead469da868eff@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-10 2:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes: > >> On Saturday, 9 Apr 2016 at 18:09, Marcin Borkowski wrote: >>> On 2016-04-09, at 02:26, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: >> >> [...] >> >>>> actively maintained, which I don't love. If anyone has recommendations >>>> for better keyboard-driven browsers, I'd love to hear them... >>> >>> eww ;-) >> >> I use this as my first port of call typically. For many of the web >> sites I visit, it does the job very well. > > I really should get used to using eww for basic browsing. It's silly, > but I think one of the obstacles has simply been that I haven't s Ahem... What I meant to say is that I haven't spent the time to figure out a quick, intuitive way to say "open *this* link in eww... now open *this* link in my external browser", etc. That was all. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
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* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ [not found] ` <82d014ad65e143e796ead469da868eff@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> @ 2016-04-10 11:35 ` Eric S Fraga 2016-04-10 11:53 ` Sauli Heinola ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2016-04-10 11:35 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Sunday, 10 Apr 2016 at 02:42, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Ahem... What I meant to say is that I haven't spent the time to figure > out a quick, intuitive way to say "open *this* link in eww... now open > *this* link in my external browser", etc. That was all. My typical use is that eww is the default for any link I run into in emacs. If the page visited is not appropriate, I simply hit w (eww-copy-page-url), switch to Firefox and open the page ("o C-v RET" in vimperator...). -- : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 25.0.92.1, Org release_8.3.4-705-g716e33 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-10 11:35 ` Eric S Fraga @ 2016-04-10 11:53 ` Sauli Heinola [not found] ` <a2f6b46822df4ba389a3005f52df6838@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Sauli Heinola @ 2016-04-10 11:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ * Eric S Fraga <e.fraga-hclig2XLE9Zaa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org>: > My typical use is that eww is the default for any link I run into in > emacs. If the page visited is not appropriate, I simply hit w > (eww-copy-page-url), switch to Firefox and open the page ("o C-v RET" in > vimperator...). I mostly use eww's `eww-browse-with-external-browser'-command, bound to the &-key by default. The external browser is specified by the `shr-external-browser'-variable. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
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* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ [not found] ` <a2f6b46822df4ba389a3005f52df6838@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> @ 2016-04-10 12:20 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2016-04-10 12:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Sunday, 10 Apr 2016 at 11:53, Sauli Heinola wrote: > I mostly use eww's `eww-browse-with-external-browser'-command, bound to > the &-key by default. The external browser is specified by the > `shr-external-browser'-variable. Ah, very helpful. Thanks. Works well. -- : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 25.0.92.1, Org release_8.3.4-705-g716e33 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-10 11:35 ` Eric S Fraga 2016-04-10 11:53 ` Sauli Heinola [not found] ` <a2f6b46822df4ba389a3005f52df6838@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> @ 2016-04-10 13:17 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-10 15:14 ` Richard Lawrence 2016-04-10 18:17 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte [not found] ` <c2ab5dd31e0c40428f5e3bc5adca35f4@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> 3 siblings, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-10 13:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes: > On Sunday, 10 Apr 2016 at 02:42, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: >> Ahem... What I meant to say is that I haven't spent the time to figure >> out a quick, intuitive way to say "open *this* link in eww... now open >> *this* link in my external browser", etc. That was all. > > My typical use is that eww is the default for any link I run into in > emacs. If the page visited is not appropriate, I simply hit w > (eww-copy-page-url), switch to Firefox and open the page ("o C-v RET" in > vimperator...). I installed the eww-lnum package right away, as that provides the main functionality I liked from Conkeror: hit a key, and pick a link to do something with. Rather strangely, the KeySnail plugin for Firefox seems to do everything *but* this, which I thought was weird since, if you're going to control your browser through the keyboard, following links is generally the main thing you want to do. I've only had it for a few hours, though, so maybe I'm missing something. In eww, I was originally looking for "open in new tab"/"open in background tab" functionality, but it's not there. Then I discovered that eww-lnum is supposed to provide exactly that, through various permutations of the prefix argument to `eww-lnum-follow'. You're supposed to get "follow in new session" with a C-u prefix, and "follow in background" with a negative prefix. But when I used either of those options, the links were instead opened in my (newly-installed, newly-KeySnailed) Firefox instance. That was unexpected, but actually welcome -- it means I have a way of choosing whether to open links in Emacs/Eww, or Firefox. It's clearly not the way eww-lnum is meant to work (and I'd still like to be able to open a link in a background eww session), but that can remain another mystery for another day. E ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-10 13:17 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-10 15:14 ` Richard Lawrence 2016-04-10 23:57 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-10 18:17 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Richard Lawrence @ 2016-04-10 15:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen, emacs-orgmode Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > I installed the eww-lnum package right away, as that provides the main > functionality I liked from Conkeror: hit a key, and pick a link to do > something with. Rather strangely, the KeySnail plugin for Firefox seems > to do everything *but* this, which I thought was weird since, if you're > going to control your browser through the keyboard, following links is > generally the main thing you want to do. I've only had it for a few > hours, though, so maybe I'm missing something. IIUC, Firefox actually has this behavior out of the box: press ' (single quote) and start typing the link text. I was surprised and pleased to learn about that when I first found it. That may be why it isn't included in KeySnail. Best, Richard ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-10 15:14 ` Richard Lawrence @ 2016-04-10 23:57 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-11 6:37 ` Adam Porter 0 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-10 23:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Richard Lawrence <richard.lawrence@berkeley.edu> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > >> I installed the eww-lnum package right away, as that provides the main >> functionality I liked from Conkeror: hit a key, and pick a link to do >> something with. Rather strangely, the KeySnail plugin for Firefox seems >> to do everything *but* this, which I thought was weird since, if you're >> going to control your browser through the keyboard, following links is >> generally the main thing you want to do. I've only had it for a few >> hours, though, so maybe I'm missing something. > > IIUC, Firefox actually has this behavior out of the box: press ' (single > quote) and start typing the link text. I was surprised and pleased to > learn about that when I first found it. That may be why it isn't > included in KeySnail. Clearly I've been away from the "normal browser world" for too long -- I had no idea Firefox did this... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-10 23:57 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-11 6:37 ` Adam Porter 2016-04-11 8:12 ` Marcin Borkowski 0 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Adam Porter @ 2016-04-11 6:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > I had no idea Firefox did this... ...You're not the only one... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-11 6:37 ` Adam Porter @ 2016-04-11 8:12 ` Marcin Borkowski 2016-04-11 9:09 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 0 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2016-04-11 8:12 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Adam Porter; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On 2016-04-11, at 06:37, Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > >> I had no idea Firefox did this... > > ...You're not the only one... Me too, thanks for that tip!!! Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-11 8:12 ` Marcin Borkowski @ 2016-04-11 9:09 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 2016-04-11 11:56 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-11 9:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marcin Borkowski; +Cc: Adam Porter, emacs-orgmode On Mon, 11-04-2016, at 10:12, Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl> wrote: > On 2016-04-11, at 06:37, Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> wrote: > >> Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> writes: >> >>> I had no idea Firefox did this... >> >> ...You're not the only one... > > Me too, thanks for that tip!!! Add another one. :-) That said, though, I am finding the behavior of KeySnail's hok's very flexible (follow the link, open multiple links in tabs, open link in a tab and switch to it, open in a tab but do not switch to it, open in a new window, copy the link, save [download] the link, etc). > > Best, -- Ramon Diaz-Uriarte Department of Biochemistry, Lab B-25 Facultad de Medicina Universidad Autónoma de Madrid Arzobispo Morcillo, 4 28029 Madrid Spain Phone: +34-91-497-2412 Email: rdiaz02@gmail.com ramon.diaz@iib.uam.es http://ligarto.org/rdiaz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-11 9:09 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-11 11:56 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-13 8:57 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 0 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-11 11:56 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdiaz02@gmail.com> writes: > On Mon, 11-04-2016, at 10:12, Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl> wrote: >> On 2016-04-11, at 06:37, Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> wrote: >> >>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> writes: >>> >>>> I had no idea Firefox did this... >>> >>> ...You're not the only one... >> >> Me too, thanks for that tip!!! > > Add another one. :-) > > That said, though, I am finding the behavior of KeySnail's hok's very > flexible (follow the link, open multiple links in tabs, open link in a tab > and switch to it, open in a tab but do not switch to it, open in a new > window, copy the link, save [download] the link, etc). Hok, the history search plugin, and the download manager plugin are all very much inspired by Conkeror. Which I think is a great thing -- Conkeror had a wonderful design, but it never quite got the sustained development love it needed. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-11 11:56 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-13 8:57 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 2016-04-14 7:07 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-13 8:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Mon, 11-04-2016, at 13:56, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdiaz02@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Mon, 11-04-2016, at 10:12, Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl> wrote: >>> On 2016-04-11, at 06:37, Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> writes: >>>> >>>>> I had no idea Firefox did this... >>>> >>>> ...You're not the only one... >>> >>> Me too, thanks for that tip!!! >> >> Add another one. :-) >> >> That said, though, I am finding the behavior of KeySnail's hok's very >> flexible (follow the link, open multiple links in tabs, open link in a tab >> and switch to it, open in a tab but do not switch to it, open in a new >> window, copy the link, save [download] the link, etc). > > Hok, the history search plugin, and the download manager plugin are all Eric, do you mean the dlbsnail and S3.dlbsnail? Or do you mean the "LinkDownloads"? The last one I've not been able to get to work (seems to do nothing). In fact, after these couple of days of usage, I have tweaked the config so that most of my muscle memory with Conkeror does not need to be changed. But the download thing is still not great because when I try to save something I am eventually offered one of those dreaded pop-up file-explorer-like windows. In contrast, with Conkeror after typing a key (s) and the hint, in the bottom mini-buffer like I can use common Emacs keybindings to modify path, names, etc. Am I am missing something? Best, R. > very much inspired by Conkeror. Which I think is a great thing -- > Conkeror had a wonderful design, but it never quite got the sustained > development love it needed. -- Ramon Diaz-Uriarte Department of Biochemistry, Lab B-25 Facultad de Medicina Universidad Autónoma de Madrid Arzobispo Morcillo, 4 28029 Madrid Spain Phone: +34-91-497-2412 Email: rdiaz02@gmail.com ramon.diaz@iib.uam.es http://ligarto.org/rdiaz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-13 8:57 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-14 7:07 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-14 22:17 ` Haider Rizvi 2016-04-15 8:41 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 0 siblings, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-14 7:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdiaz02@gmail.com> writes: > On Mon, 11-04-2016, at 13:56, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: >> Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdiaz02@gmail.com> writes: >> >>> On Mon, 11-04-2016, at 10:12, Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl> wrote: >>>> On 2016-04-11, at 06:37, Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Eric Abrahamsen <eric <at> ericabrahamsen.net> writes: >>>>> >>>>>> I had no idea Firefox did this... >>>>> >>>>> ...You're not the only one... >>>> >>>> Me too, thanks for that tip!!! >>> >>> Add another one. :-) >>> >>> That said, though, I am finding the behavior of KeySnail's hok's very >>> flexible (follow the link, open multiple links in tabs, open link in a tab >>> and switch to it, open in a tab but do not switch to it, open in a new >>> window, copy the link, save [download] the link, etc). >> >> Hok, the history search plugin, and the download manager plugin are all > > Eric, do you mean the dlbsnail and S3.dlbsnail? Or do you mean the > "LinkDownloads"? The last one I've not been able to get to work (seems to > do nothing). I only installed the dlbsnail, and I think it works okay. > In fact, after these couple of days of usage, I have tweaked the config so > that most of my muscle memory with Conkeror does not need to be > changed. But the download thing is still not great because when I try to > save something I am eventually offered one of those dreaded pop-up > file-explorer-like windows. > > In contrast, with Conkeror after typing a key (s) and the hint, in the > bottom mini-buffer like I can use common Emacs keybindings to modify > path, names, etc. > > Am I am missing something? Not so far as I know -- the open-file dialogue is probably the biggest remaining annoyance for me, as well. I did like the Emacs-like minibuffer thing that Conkeror had. Apart from that, though, this setup is fairly Conkeror like. Just faster, and with fewer mysterious silent crashes! ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-14 7:07 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-14 22:17 ` Haider Rizvi 2016-04-15 8:41 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Haider Rizvi @ 2016-04-14 22:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > Apart from that, though, this setup is fairly Conkeror like. Just > faster, and with fewer mysterious silent crashes! Faster!! I guess I have to try it out. Regards, -- Haider ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-14 7:07 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-14 22:17 ` Haider Rizvi @ 2016-04-15 8:41 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 2016-04-15 21:49 ` Adam Porter 2016-04-16 1:44 ` Eric Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-15 8:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Thu, 14-04-2016, at 09:07, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: >> (...) >> Eric, do you mean the dlbsnail and S3.dlbsnail? Or do you mean the >> "LinkDownloads"? The last one I've not been able to get to work (seems to >> do nothing). > > I only installed the dlbsnail, and I think it works okay. Understood, thanks. > (...) > Apart from that, though, this setup is fairly Conkeror like. Just > faster, and with fewer mysterious silent crashes! Faster? How did you do that? For me it is slower, noticeably (I estimate no less than 3 to 4 times; from less than one second to about two or more seconds in many simple tasks such as opening a link from a email under emacs; yes, I am reusing a running firefox with "--new-window"). I guess I might need to disable extensions, etc? -- Ramon Diaz-Uriarte Department of Biochemistry, Lab B-25 Facultad de Medicina Universidad Autónoma de Madrid Arzobispo Morcillo, 4 28029 Madrid Spain Phone: +34-91-497-2412 Email: rdiaz02@gmail.com ramon.diaz@iib.uam.es http://ligarto.org/rdiaz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-15 8:41 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-15 21:49 ` Adam Porter 2016-04-18 6:53 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 2016-04-16 1:44 ` Eric Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Adam Porter @ 2016-04-15 21:49 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdiaz02@gmail.com> writes: > Faster? How did you do that? For me it is slower, noticeably (I estimate no > less than 3 to 4 times; from less than one second to about two or more > seconds in many simple tasks such as opening a link from a email under > emacs; yes, I am reusing a running firefox with "--new-window"). I guess I > might need to disable extensions, etc? Firefox has always seemed slow to open new windows for me too, at least on Linux. Seems faster on Windows. Might have something to do with the /usr/bin/firefox shell script, or how it calls the actual binary. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-15 21:49 ` Adam Porter @ 2016-04-18 6:53 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-18 6:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Adam Porter; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Fri, 15-04-2016, at 23:49, Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> wrote: > Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdiaz02@gmail.com> writes: > >> Faster? How did you do that? For me it is slower, noticeably (I estimate no >> less than 3 to 4 times; from less than one second to about two or more >> seconds in many simple tasks such as opening a link from a email under >> emacs; yes, I am reusing a running firefox with "--new-window"). I guess I >> might need to disable extensions, etc? > > Firefox has always seemed slow to open new windows for me too, at least > on Linux. Seems faster on Windows. Might have something to do with the > /usr/bin/firefox shell script, or how it calls the actual binary. OK, so not a lot of room to try and do much it seems. Thanks anyway. -- Ramon Diaz-Uriarte Department of Biochemistry, Lab B-25 Facultad de Medicina Universidad Autónoma de Madrid Arzobispo Morcillo, 4 28029 Madrid Spain Phone: +34-91-497-2412 Email: rdiaz02@gmail.com ramon.diaz@iib.uam.es http://ligarto.org/rdiaz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-15 8:41 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 2016-04-15 21:49 ` Adam Porter @ 2016-04-16 1:44 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-18 6:51 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-16 1:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdiaz02@gmail.com> writes: > On Thu, 14-04-2016, at 09:07, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: >>> (...) >>> Eric, do you mean the dlbsnail and S3.dlbsnail? Or do you mean the >>> "LinkDownloads"? The last one I've not been able to get to work (seems to >>> do nothing). >> >> I only installed the dlbsnail, and I think it works okay. > > Understood, thanks. > > >> (...) >> Apart from that, though, this setup is fairly Conkeror like. Just >> faster, and with fewer mysterious silent crashes! > > Faster? How did you do that? For me it is slower, noticeably (I estimate no > less than 3 to 4 times; from less than one second to about two or more > seconds in many simple tasks such as opening a link from a email under > emacs; yes, I am reusing a running firefox with "--new-window"). I guess I > might need to disable extensions, etc? I'm not the right one to ask, I'm afraid -- I have no idea! I try hard not to use browsers at all, and don't really have any plugins installed. Conkeror used to struggle mightily just to keep up with my typing (and this is not a boast about my typing speed, sadly), and regularly "stopped to think" for several seconds. I never really looked into it... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-16 1:44 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-18 6:51 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-18 6:51 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Sat, 16-04-2016, at 03:44, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdiaz02@gmail.com> writes: > >> On Thu, 14-04-2016, at 09:07, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: >>>> (...) >>>> Eric, do you mean the dlbsnail and S3.dlbsnail? Or do you mean the >>>> "LinkDownloads"? The last one I've not been able to get to work (seems to >>>> do nothing). >>> >>> I only installed the dlbsnail, and I think it works okay. >> >> Understood, thanks. >> >> >>> (...) >>> Apart from that, though, this setup is fairly Conkeror like. Just >>> faster, and with fewer mysterious silent crashes! >> >> Faster? How did you do that? For me it is slower, noticeably (I estimate no >> less than 3 to 4 times; from less than one second to about two or more >> seconds in many simple tasks such as opening a link from a email under >> emacs; yes, I am reusing a running firefox with "--new-window"). I guess I >> might need to disable extensions, etc? > > I'm not the right one to ask, I'm afraid -- I have no idea! I try hard > not to use browsers at all, and don't really have any plugins installed. > Conkeror used to struggle mightily just to keep up with my typing (and > this is not a boast about my typing speed, sadly), and regularly > "stopped to think" for several seconds. I never really looked into it... Thanks for the clarification. -- Ramon Diaz-Uriarte Department of Biochemistry, Lab B-25 Facultad de Medicina Universidad Autónoma de Madrid Arzobispo Morcillo, 4 28029 Madrid Spain Phone: +34-91-497-2412 Email: rdiaz02@gmail.com ramon.diaz@iib.uam.es http://ligarto.org/rdiaz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-10 13:17 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-10 15:14 ` Richard Lawrence @ 2016-04-10 18:17 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 2016-04-11 0:01 ` Eric Abrahamsen 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-10 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Abrahamsen; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Dear Eric, On Sun, 10-04-2016, at 15:17, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: > Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes: > > > I installed the eww-lnum package right away, as that provides the main > functionality I liked from Conkeror: hit a key, and pick a link to do > something with. Rather strangely, the KeySnail plugin for Firefox seems > to do everything *but* this, which I thought was weird since, if you're > going to control your browser through the keyboard, following links is > generally the main thing you want to do. I've only had it for a few > hours, though, so maybe I'm missing something. > I think you might want to try the "HoK" (hit a hint for KeySnail) extension, available here https://github.com/mooz/keysnail/wiki/plugin In fact, it might already be available by default (I think it was in my installation) but you might not have key bindings set up for it (you can check if it is available by M-x: hok) There is a comment about this extension (and the also very neat Tanything extension) in http://blog.binchen.org/posts/use-firefox-in-emacs-way-3.html I have configured HoK in my .keysnail.js so that the behavior of HoK is now similar to what I had with conkeror (follow links in new buffers (or tabs) or new windows, etc). Caveat emptor: I only started playing with KeySnail a few hours ago, after seeing Rasmus' comment this morning. Best, R. -- Ramon Diaz-Uriarte Department of Biochemistry, Lab B-25 Facultad de Medicina Universidad Autónoma de Madrid Arzobispo Morcillo, 4 28029 Madrid Spain Phone: +34-91-497-2412 Email: rdiaz02@gmail.com ramon.diaz@iib.uam.es http://ligarto.org/rdiaz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-10 18:17 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-11 0:01 ` Eric Abrahamsen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-11 0:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdiaz02@gmail.com> writes: > Dear Eric, > > On Sun, 10-04-2016, at 15:17, Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> wrote: >> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes: >> >> >> I installed the eww-lnum package right away, as that provides the main >> functionality I liked from Conkeror: hit a key, and pick a link to do >> something with. Rather strangely, the KeySnail plugin for Firefox seems >> to do everything *but* this, which I thought was weird since, if you're >> going to control your browser through the keyboard, following links is >> generally the main thing you want to do. I've only had it for a few >> hours, though, so maybe I'm missing something. >> > > I think you might want to try the "HoK" (hit a hint for KeySnail) extension, > available here > > https://github.com/mooz/keysnail/wiki/plugin That looks like just the thing, thank you! Just installed it, and am playing around now. E ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
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* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ [not found] ` <c2ab5dd31e0c40428f5e3bc5adca35f4@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> @ 2016-04-10 13:54 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2016-04-10 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Sunday, 10 Apr 2016 at 13:17, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > I installed the eww-lnum package right away, as that provides the main Thanks for the pointer! Excellent addition to eww. -- : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 25.0.92.1, Org release_8.3.4-705-g716e33 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-09 2:26 ` Eric Abrahamsen ` (2 preceding siblings ...) [not found] ` <d1715d3fcd2f4cac8d22676989c776f0@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> @ 2016-04-12 17:53 ` Haider Rizvi 2016-04-13 2:18 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-13 9:41 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 3 siblings, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Haider Rizvi @ 2016-04-12 17:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > I've been using Conkeror (based on Xulrunner/Firefox) for a while > now, and like it enough to stick with it. It's completely keyboard > driven, which I love. It's also not super stable, nor does it seem > to be actively maintained, which I don't love. If anyone has > recommendations for better keyboard-driven browsers, I'd love to > hear them... Eric, I use Conkeror as well. And worried that one day it'll go away. I have tried out Vimium with Chrome, and liked it. You may want to try it out if you haven't already. Regards, -- Haider ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-12 17:53 ` Haider Rizvi @ 2016-04-13 2:18 ` Eric Abrahamsen 2016-04-13 9:41 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-13 2:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Haider Rizvi <harizvi@gmail.com> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > >> I've been using Conkeror (based on Xulrunner/Firefox) for a while >> now, and like it enough to stick with it. It's completely keyboard >> driven, which I love. It's also not super stable, nor does it seem >> to be actively maintained, which I don't love. If anyone has >> recommendations for better keyboard-driven browsers, I'd love to >> hear them... > > Eric, I use Conkeror as well. And worried that one day it'll go away. > > I have tried out Vimium with Chrome, and liked it. You may want to try > it out if you haven't already. I've already started retraining my figures for KeySnail, and tweaked the config file! I may be nearing the point of no return. But I do appreciate the extra suggestion, and will take a look at Vimium... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-12 17:53 ` Haider Rizvi 2016-04-13 2:18 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-13 9:41 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 2016-04-13 19:44 ` Haider Rizvi 1 sibling, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-13 9:41 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Haider Rizvi; +Cc: emacs-orgmode Dear Haider, On Tue, 12-04-2016, at 19:53, Haider Rizvi <harizvi@gmail.com> wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen.net> writes: > >> I've been using Conkeror (based on Xulrunner/Firefox) for a while >> now, and like it enough to stick with it. It's completely keyboard >> driven, which I love. It's also not super stable, nor does it seem >> to be actively maintained, which I don't love. If anyone has >> recommendations for better keyboard-driven browsers, I'd love to >> hear them... > > Eric, I use Conkeror as well. And worried that one day it'll go away. > For me Conkeror works just great most of the time. But the main problem (for me) is that some of the extensions of Firefox will not work with Conkeror. In particular, the connector with Zotero standalone just cannot work with it. And this has forced me to "use Conkeror always, except if I need to do reference-related work" (problem being that sometimes, while browsing, I decide "let's add this to Zotero" and then I need to start firefox, copy the link, etc). KeySnail so far seems to be an alternative to avoid my schizoid behavior. > I have tried out Vimium with Chrome, and liked it. You may want to try > it out if you haven't already. Thanks for the suggestion; I did not know it. I'll have to revisit it, because I just tried it and was unable to activate it in any page (get the icon on the bar to be colored). I must be doing something silly. However, I looked over the documentation quickly and I could not see how to mark stuff for downloading. Do I need more coffee? Best, R. > > Regards, -- Ramon Diaz-Uriarte Department of Biochemistry, Lab B-25 Facultad de Medicina Universidad Autónoma de Madrid Arzobispo Morcillo, 4 28029 Madrid Spain Phone: +34-91-497-2412 Email: rdiaz02@gmail.com ramon.diaz@iib.uam.es http://ligarto.org/rdiaz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-13 9:41 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-13 19:44 ` Haider Rizvi 2016-04-15 8:36 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 0 siblings, 1 reply; 46+ messages in thread From: Haider Rizvi @ 2016-04-13 19:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdiaz02@gmail.com> writes: > For me Conkeror works just great most of the time. But the main problem > (for me) is that some of the extensions of Firefox will not work with > Conkeror. Yes, well aware of the extensions issue. Since I had no solution, I started looking at it as a blessing in disguise ;-) It makes me use less extensions, only adblock and https-everywhere right now on Conkeror. But then I have a lot of stuff in javascript! > In particular, the connector with Zotero standalone just cannot > work with it. And this has forced me to "use Conkeror always, except if I > need to do reference-related work" > KeySnail so far seems to be an alternative to avoid my schizoid > behavior. Glad keysnail is working, I may have to look at it as a backup option. I could never get into zotero, when I tried last. I use a combination of Pocket, Evernote, and org files for research / notes taking. > (problem being that sometimes, while browsing, I decide "let's add > this to Zotero" and then I need to start firefox, copy the link, > etc). You probably know this, but .... you can write a function and assign a key for this to make life a bit easier. // **** open in Firefox **** function open_in_firefox (url, window) { var cmd_str = 'open -a firefox '+url; if (window != null) { window.minibuffer.message('Issuing ' + cmd_str); } shell_command_blind(cmd_str); } interactive("firefox", "Send url to Firefox", function (I) { open_in_firefox(I.buffer.display_uri_string, I.window); }); define_key(content_buffer_normal_keymap, "f5", "firefox"); >> I have tried out Vimium with Chrome, and liked it. You may want to >> try it out if you haven't already. > > Thanks for the suggestion; I did not know it. > > I'll have to revisit it, because I just tried it and was unable to activate > it in any page (get the icon on the bar to be colored). I must be doing > something silly. However, I looked over the documentation quickly and I > could not see how to mark stuff for downloading. Do I need more coffee? > > > Best, > > R. > > >> >> Regards, -- Regards, -- Haider Rizvi ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-13 19:44 ` Haider Rizvi @ 2016-04-15 8:36 ` Ramon Diaz-Uriarte 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Ramon Diaz-Uriarte @ 2016-04-15 8:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Haider Rizvi; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On Wed, 13-04-2016, at 21:44, Haider Rizvi <harizvi@gmail.com> wrote: > Ramon Diaz-Uriarte <rdiaz02@gmail.com> writes: > >> For me Conkeror works just great most of the time. But the main problem >> (for me) is that some of the extensions of Firefox will not work with >> Conkeror. > > Yes, well aware of the extensions issue. Since I had no solution, I > started looking at it as a blessing in disguise ;-) It makes me use :-) > less extensions, only adblock and https-everywhere right now on > Conkeror. But then I have a lot of stuff in javascript! > > > I could never get into zotero, when I tried last. I use a combination > of Pocket, Evernote, and org files for research / notes taking. In a sense, I am conceptually/aesthetically unhappy with how I keep some things under Zotero (mostly anything that could potentially have a PDF attached, like papers) but all the rest of my notes and links under org and some things to learn under Anki. In practice, I somehow have adopted a scheme that works well for me (i.e., I seem to know where to search for what). > >> (problem being that sometimes, while browsing, I decide "let's add >> this to Zotero" and then I need to start firefox, copy the link, >> etc). > > You probably know this, but .... you can write a function and assign a > key for this to make life a bit easier. > > // **** open in Firefox **** > function open_in_firefox (url, window) { > var cmd_str = 'open -a firefox '+url; > if (window != null) { > window.minibuffer.message('Issuing ' + cmd_str); > } > shell_command_blind(cmd_str); > } > > interactive("firefox", "Send url to Firefox", > function (I) { > open_in_firefox(I.buffer.display_uri_string, I.window); > }); > define_key(content_buffer_normal_keymap, "f5", "firefox"); > Actually, I am very embarrassed to say I did not know this at all. In fact, what is worse, it never occurred to me to try something like that. Thanks a lot!!!! Best, R. > > >>> I have tried out Vimium with Chrome, and liked it. You may want to >>> try it out if you haven't already. >> >> Thanks for the suggestion; I did not know it. >> >> I'll have to revisit it, because I just tried it and was unable to activate >> it in any page (get the icon on the bar to be colored). I must be doing >> something silly. However, I looked over the documentation quickly and I >> could not see how to mark stuff for downloading. Do I need more coffee? >> >> >> Best, >> >> R. >> >> >>> >>> Regards, > > -- > > Regards, -- Ramon Diaz-Uriarte Department of Biochemistry, Lab B-25 Facultad de Medicina Universidad Autónoma de Madrid Arzobispo Morcillo, 4 28029 Madrid Spain Phone: +34-91-497-2412 Email: rdiaz02@gmail.com ramon.diaz@iib.uam.es http://ligarto.org/rdiaz ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-08 22:00 ` Adam Porter 2016-04-09 2:26 ` Eric Abrahamsen @ 2016-04-09 18:09 ` Marcin Borkowski 2016-04-09 18:17 ` Adam Porter 2016-04-13 8:45 ` Hauke Rehfeld 1 sibling, 2 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2016-04-09 18:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Adam Porter; +Cc: emacs-orgmode On 2016-04-08, at 22:00, Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> wrote: > Marcin Borkowski <mbork <at> mbork.pl> writes: > >> https://vivaldi.com/ >> >> Did anyone hear about it? Any thoughts/experiences? "Taking notes >> while browsing" seems to be something close to org-capture, no? >> Keyboard-driven might mean either vim-like or emacs-like bindings, or >> (hopefully) configurable ones. I, for one, would like to try it out, >> though I do not have too high hopes. > > It looks interesting, but it's not free software, so I have no interest > myself. Firefox/Iceweasel has been serving me well since before it was > Firefox, and Pentadactyl has been my primary UI to it for a long time. I > don't feel like Mozilla is taking it in a good direction anymore, but if it > ever gets too bad, there's Iceweasel, and there's Pale Moon (which has > committed to "classic" Firefox extension APIs and UI), and there are other > alternatives like Conkeror, uzbl, etc. Thanks for the info. While I'm not a fervent supporter of free software like many people here, I rather like the idea, and in fact it didn't occur to me that this browser could be closed-source. (I do understand that "closed-source" is not the opposite of "free as in FSF", but I wouldn't find it surprising if that software were non-free, while it being closed-source - which apparently it is - is astonishing for me.) > Even if you don't care about free software, Vivaldi is made by former Opera > devs, so how do we know they aren't just repeating a cycle? It could go the > same direction Opera went and need to be rebooted again. As long as it's > proprietary, that's a risk its users will always face. I'm not an Opera user, so please enlighten me: what was wrong with it? (The only info about Opera I have is from one of my friends, who liked it a lot a few years ago.) > My two cents. :) Thanks for your input, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-09 18:09 ` Marcin Borkowski @ 2016-04-09 18:17 ` Adam Porter 2016-04-13 8:45 ` Hauke Rehfeld 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Adam Porter @ 2016-04-09 18:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode Marcin Borkowski <mbork <at> mbork.pl> writes: > I'm not an Opera user, so please enlighten me: what was wrong with it? > (The only info about Opera I have is from one of my friends, who liked > it a lot a few years ago.) I've never really been an Opera user either, other than trying it briefly. From what I know, after many years of having their own engine, they dumped it in favor of Google's Blink (forked from WebKit). They seemed to have sort of a "cult following" with many intensely loyal users, but then they went a different direction. And now it sounds like some of the original Opera folks are doing this new browser. But again, I've never really kept up, so if you want to know the real story... :) I *can* highly recommend Pentadactyl. It seems like the best of the Vim-style extensions for Firefox, has been steadily and tirelessly updated over the years to keep up with Mozilla's churn, and is very stable. I haven't been converted to EVIL yet, but I have always found Vim's modal style very efficient for web browsing. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-09 18:09 ` Marcin Borkowski 2016-04-09 18:17 ` Adam Porter @ 2016-04-13 8:45 ` Hauke Rehfeld 1 sibling, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Hauke Rehfeld @ 2016-04-13 8:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2452 bytes --] Opera (when they were still using their own engine) had a lot of quite useful UI features, and could open hundreds of tabs without much slowdown. In the chrome port, they were back to basic chrome features, and even right now (after how many years?) it's not very different from using a differently styled chrome at all. Performance-wise, it's as memory hungry as chrome itself. Cheers, Hauke On 09/04/16 08:09, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > > On 2016-04-08, at 22:00, Adam Porter <adam@alphapapa.net> wrote: > >> Marcin Borkowski <mbork <at> mbork.pl> writes: >> >>> https://vivaldi.com/ >>> >>> Did anyone hear about it? Any thoughts/experiences? "Taking notes >>> while browsing" seems to be something close to org-capture, no? >>> Keyboard-driven might mean either vim-like or emacs-like bindings, or >>> (hopefully) configurable ones. I, for one, would like to try it out, >>> though I do not have too high hopes. >> >> It looks interesting, but it's not free software, so I have no interest >> myself. Firefox/Iceweasel has been serving me well since before it was >> Firefox, and Pentadactyl has been my primary UI to it for a long time. I >> don't feel like Mozilla is taking it in a good direction anymore, but if it >> ever gets too bad, there's Iceweasel, and there's Pale Moon (which has >> committed to "classic" Firefox extension APIs and UI), and there are other >> alternatives like Conkeror, uzbl, etc. > > Thanks for the info. While I'm not a fervent supporter of free software > like many people here, I rather like the idea, and in fact it didn't > occur to me that this browser could be closed-source. (I do understand > that "closed-source" is not the opposite of "free as in FSF", but > I wouldn't find it surprising if that software were non-free, while it > being closed-source - which apparently it is - is astonishing for me.) > >> Even if you don't care about free software, Vivaldi is made by former Opera >> devs, so how do we know they aren't just repeating a cycle? It could go the >> same direction Opera went and need to be rebooted again. As long as it's >> proprietary, that's a risk its users will always face. > > I'm not an Opera user, so please enlighten me: what was wrong with it? > (The only info about Opera I have is from one of my friends, who liked > it a lot a few years ago.) > >> My two cents. :) > > Thanks for your input, > [-- Attachment #2: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature --] [-- Type: application/pkcs7-signature, Size: 3707 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
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* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ [not found] ` <7898023d27c24c4894e4dbea75d02c27@HE1PR01MB1898.eurprd01.prod.exchangelabs.com> @ 2016-04-09 9:32 ` Eric S Fraga 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Eric S Fraga @ 2016-04-09 9:32 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org On Friday, 8 Apr 2016 at 22:00, Adam Porter wrote: [...] > It looks interesting, but it's not free software, so I have no interest Funnily enough, that's the first thing I checked. I think I'll stick with Firefox + vimperator for full keyboard controlled browsing. -- : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 25.0.92.1, Org release_8.3.4-705-g716e33 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
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* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ [not found] ` <87zit3eq67.fsf@oremacs.com> @ 2016-04-09 18:13 ` Marcin Borkowski 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Marcin Borkowski @ 2016-04-09 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Oleh Krehel; +Cc: Org-Mode mailing list On 2016-04-08, at 21:39, Oleh Krehel <oleh@oremacs.com> wrote: > Marcin Borkowski <mbork@mbork.pl> writes: > >> https://vivaldi.com/ > >> Did anyone hear about it? Any thoughts/experiences? > > It's a closed-source Chromium-based browser. Just ignore that nonsense. Well, while "nonsense" might be too much of a word, this does not sound very good indeed. Too bad, I hoped for something better. (I might be tempted to give it a try anyway, but I'm afraid it won't solve the main problem with browsers, which is speed.) > regards, > Oleh Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
* Re: [OT] A new web browser‽ 2016-04-08 21:23 [OT] A new web browser‽ Marcin Borkowski ` (2 preceding siblings ...) [not found] ` <87zit3eq67.fsf@oremacs.com> @ 2016-04-10 15:45 ` Christopher Allan Webber 3 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Christopher Allan Webber @ 2016-04-10 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Marcin Borkowski; +Cc: Org-Mode mailing list Marcin Borkowski writes: > https://vivaldi.com/ > > Did anyone hear about it? Any thoughts/experiences? "Taking notes > while browsing" seems to be something close to org-capture, no? > Keyboard-driven might mean either vim-like or emacs-like bindings, or > (hopefully) configurable ones. I, for one, would like to try it out, > though I do not have too high hopes. > > Best, It looks interesting, but not interesting enough to replace Icecat/Firefox for me. What would be interesting enough to replace it for me: getting browser sandboxing in place. This is the one thing that makes Chromium more appealing than Firefox/Icecat right now... but since all we have is Icecat, that's what I'm using here! - Chris ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
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* [OT] A new web browser‽ [not found] <mailman.562.1460288451.7471.emacs-orgmode@gnu.org> @ 2016-04-10 18:33 ` Jeremie Juste 0 siblings, 0 replies; 46+ messages in thread From: Jeremie Juste @ 2016-04-10 18:33 UTC (permalink / raw) To: emacs-orgmode For my part I use IceCat. They have made a lot of progress recently if you are hesitating. As for key bindings the closest options to emacs I have found is firemacs: http://www.mew.org/~kazu/proj/firemacs/en/ Best regards, Jeremie ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 46+ messages in thread
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