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From: Bastien <bzg@gnu.org>
To: Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Cc: "Juan Manuel Macías" <maciaschain@posteo.net>,
	orgmode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [patch] Fix inner smart quotes in French
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2023 16:49:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87350rgdfh.fsf@bzg.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85c3d323-407a-0154-e316-d891325d8273@gmail.com> (Max Nikulin's message of "Thu, 10 Aug 2023 21:10:40 +0700")

Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> writes:

> On 04/08/2023 18:09, Bastien wrote:
>> Juan Manuel Macías writes:
>> 
>>> In the meantime, I'm submitting this patch with a fix for second-level
>>> French `smart quotes': the correct quotes should be “” (without spaces,
>>> as in Spanish or Greek) (please, some francophone correct me, if I'm
>>> wrong...).
>> Applied, thanks!
>
> I am not a francophone, I just have tried to look into sources I found
> during discussion on Greek quotes.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark#French
> says that there are different styles of inner quotes.
>
> I am more worry that Unicode CLDR defines the same character for
> quotes. 

Yes, this is also what the French national printing press ("Imprimerie
nationale"), which is quite authoritative in this matter, recommends.

Note that the Full recommendation of the Imprimerie nationale is to
repeat second-level quotation marks at the beginning and of each line
when the text spans over several lines, like this:

  Then X reported : « This is what Y said : « Here is
  « a quotation with a paragraph spaning over several
  « lines, with each line starting with a quotation mark
  « until the end of the quotation. » 

(The unique » at the end is intentional, the rule is to not repeat.)

I don't have a strong opinion on this.  I find the non-French
(e.g. canadian?) convention more sensible for digital documents (vs
printed ones): I expect repeating the quotation mark at the beginning
of each line is something software don't do.  (Perhaps there is a
LaTeX package doing so, I've not checked.)

So I'd rather use this:

  Then X reported : « This is what Y said : ”Here is
  a quotation with a paragraph spaning over several
  lines, with each line starting with a quotation mark
  until the end of the quotation."»

WDYT?

-- 
 Bastien

next prev parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-10 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-04  7:25 [patch] Fix inner smart quotes in French Juan Manuel Macías
2023-08-04 11:09 ` Bastien
2023-08-10 14:10   ` Max Nikulin
2023-08-10 14:49     ` Bastien [this message]
2023-08-10 16:01       ` Max Nikulin
2023-08-10 21:50       ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-08-13  9:20         ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-13  9:24           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-13  9:46             ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-13 12:57               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-14 16:26                 ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-15 11:23                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-22 15:11                     ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-23  9:36                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-24 11:36                         ` Bastien Guerry
2023-08-05  7:08 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-05 10:51   ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-08-05 13:19     ` Ihor Radchenko

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