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* HOWTO export document to wiki text?
@ 2009-01-19  7:05 Rustom Mody
  2009-01-19 15:32 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Rustom Mody @ 2009-01-19  7:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Uwe Koloska <uwe <at> koloro.de> writes:

> there is this very nice export to text feature and the superb HTML export.
<snipped>
> And if there is no such feature yet, where do I have to start to implement it?

+1 for me.

I need at least two more exporters, maybe more -- they may be of
different level of generality/use to other org users.
If I can get a handle on it I'll try my hand.

As I understand (and Eric points out) org-exp.el is the central place
to start looking, but I gather that there is also another more
data-oriented approach experimentally supported by some Bastien code.
I remember Carsten talking about it some 2-3 months back that
something like this (entire org mode buffer as a lisp (property) list
or something to that effect) but that its not (yet then) integrated
into the rest of org.

So tips/pointers on this will be welcome.

Rustom

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* Re: HOWTO export document to wiki text?
  2009-01-19  7:05 HOWTO export document to wiki text? Rustom Mody
@ 2009-01-19 15:32 ` Carsten Dominik
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-01-19 15:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Rustom Mody; +Cc: emacs-orgmode


On Jan 19, 2009, at 8:05 AM, Rustom Mody wrote:

> Uwe Koloska <uwe <at> koloro.de> writes:
>
>> there is this very nice export to text feature and the superb HTML  
>> export.
> <snipped>
>> And if there is no such feature yet, where do I have to start to  
>> implement it?
>
> +1 for me.
>
> I need at least two more exporters, maybe more -- they may be of
> different level of generality/use to other org users.
> If I can get a handle on it I'll try my hand.
>
> As I understand (and Eric points out) org-exp.el is the central place
> to start looking, but I gather that there is also another more
> data-oriented approach experimentally supported by some Bastien code.
> I remember Carsten talking about it some 2-3 months back that
> something like this (entire org mode buffer as a lisp (property) list
> or something to that effect) but that its not (yet then) integrated
> into the rest of org.


That code is in the EXP subdirectory of the git repo, in the file
org-export.el.
It is not very well integrated yet, and it also does only a partial
parsing job, basically the document structure and the meta data.

I did have high hope for this a while ago, it could have become the
basis for a new general export engine.  But I think that dream is
gone - unless someone picks it up now.

Basic approach would be:

- start with org-export.el.
- enhance the parser so that it will at least do plain lists - there
   is an excellent list parser (org-parse-list, also by Bastien) in  
org-list.el.
- use that to split the "content" part of each entry into sub blocks
   like

   (paragraph "text")
   (ordered-list bullet-type
     item1 item2 ....)
   (unordered-list bullet-type
     item1 item2 ....)

    or similar, where item is some kind of structure that also
    holds information about a possible check box and its state.

- Also find a way to put setup information like #+STARTUP etc into
   structured elements.

When this is done, write a function that can write a valid Org file
from such a list, and you have written an org-to-org converter, with the
practical application to normalize Org files.

Then you can start writing wiki converters, with using the list
structure as the common intermediate format.

My personal feeling is right now that we will not anymore *replace*
the HTML and LaTeX exporters with this new exporter, because too much
specialized work has gone into making these really quite nice
and feature rich.

However as a basis for any new exporters, and in particular as
an engine to read an write wiki formats, this could really work
very well.

I will be ready help with advice, but I will not do this myself.

- Carsten










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>
> So tips/pointers on this will be welcome.
>
> Rustom
>
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* Re: HOWTO export document to wiki text?
  2009-01-19 15:03     ` Matthew Lundin
  2009-01-19 15:27       ` Sebastian Rose
@ 2009-01-19 19:30       ` Ian Barton
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ian Barton @ 2009-01-19 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode


> 
> Yes, I use PmWiki myself and think it's great. However, custom markup
> rules would work only as a partial solution here, since PmWiki stores
> pages (with all diffs) in its own peculiar flat file format that can't
> really be edited directly. (Take a look at the files in your wiki.d
> directory.)
> 
> I suppose one could create org markup rules for Pmwiki and then edit the
> pages in org-mode via w3m. There is also a defunct pmwiki-mode for emacs
> that pulls PmWiki pages off a website for editing.
> 
Matt,

There is a CVS version of pmwiki-mode, which is fairly up to date. I use 
it to edit my own pages. It's currently maintained by Lukasz Stafiniak 
<lukstafi@gmail.com>. I'll try and find the url of the CVS repo.

Ian.

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* Re: HOWTO export document to wiki text?
  2009-01-17 21:03 Uwe Koloska
  2009-01-18 18:26 ` Matthew Lundin
  2009-01-18 18:27 ` Eric Schulte
@ 2009-01-19 16:23 ` Christian Egli
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Christian Egli @ 2009-01-19 16:23 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

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Uwe Koloska <uwe@koloro.de> writes:

> there is this very nice export to text feature and the superb HTML export. But 
> is it possible to convert org to some rich text notation used in wikis?  I 
> would like to include some of my documents into a wiki (dokuwiki and 
> TWiki/Foswiki).

Below is another quick hack solution: a simple sed script which does a
very basic translation between org-mode and mediawiki.


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#!/bin/sed -f

# headlines
s/^\* \+\(.*\)$/== \1 ==/
s/^\*\* \+\(.*\)$/=== \1 ===/
s/^\*\*\* \+\(.*\)$/==== \1 ====/
s/^\*\*\*\* \+\(.*\)$/===== \1 =====/
s/^\*\*\*\*\* \+\(.*\)$/====== \1 ======/

# links
s/\[\[\(.*\)\]\[\(.*\)\]\]/[\1 \2]/

# description lists
s/^- \+\([^:]\+\)::\(.*\)$/; \1:\2/
s/^ \+//

# lists
s/^- \+\(.*\)$/* \1/
s/^ \{2\}- \+\(.*\)$/** \1/
s/^ \{4\}- \+\(.*\)$/*** \1/
s/^[1-9]\+\. \+\(.*\)$/# \1/
s/^ \{2\}[1-9]\+\. \+\(.*\)$/## \1/
s/^ \{4\}[1-9]\+\. \+\(.*\)$/### \1/

# source code
s/^: \+\(.*\)$/ \1/

# emphasis, bold
s/\*\([^*]\+\)\*/'''\1'''/
s/ \/\([^/]\+\)\/ / ''\1'' /

# quotes
s/^#+BEGIN_QUOTE$/<blockquote>/
s/^#+END_QUOTE$/<\/blockquote>/

# comments
s/^#+.*$//

# tables
s/^|[-+]\+|$//
s/^|\([^|]*\)|$/|-\n|\1/
s/^|\([^|]*\)|\([^|]*\)|$/|-\n|\1||\2/
s/^|\([^|]*\)|\([^|]*\)|\([^|]*\)|$/|-\n|\1||\2||\3/
s/^|\([^|]*\)|\([^|]*\)|\([^|]*\)|\([^|]*\)|$/|-\n|\1||\2||\3||\4/

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Hope that helps
Christian

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* Re: HOWTO export document to wiki text?
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@ 2009-01-19 15:40 ` Robert Goldman
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Robert Goldman @ 2009-01-19 15:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode, uwe

I have a start on a wiki syntax exporter that I took by modifying the
latex exporter (some wikis have quite extensive markup).

Here's what I would like to suggest:

1.  There are an infuriatingly large number of different wiki syntaxes.
 I'd like to suggest that we should avoid having to write a zillion
different standalone exporters.

2.  Emacs lisp doesn't have object-oriented programming to help with
this, but we can simulate it with tables of functions.  So, for example,
we could have vectors with entries for functions that format italicized
text for media-wiki, tiki wiki, etc.

3.  A first job would be to make a list of all of the kinds of export
that we see in the latex exporter, and define a structure that provides
entries for all of these export types.

If we do the above, we can hijack the top-level export routine from,
e.g., latex export, and then plug in different tables for the different
wikis.

Feel free to contact me off-line about this; I would be more than happy
to work with you on it.

Best,
Robert

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* Re: HOWTO export document to wiki text?
  2009-01-19 15:03     ` Matthew Lundin
@ 2009-01-19 15:27       ` Sebastian Rose
  2009-01-19 19:30       ` Ian Barton
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Sebastian Rose @ 2009-01-19 15:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Matthew Lundin; +Cc: Matthew Lundin, emacs-orgmode, Uwe Koloska

Wow - PmWiki looks great!

Thanks!


Matthew Lundin <mdl@imapmail.org> writes:
> Hi Ian,
>
> Ian Barton <lists@manor-farm.org> writes:
>
>>> My dream is for wiki software that uses org files as its backend, thus
>>> enabling community editing of org files via the web. But that, of
>>> course, is only a dream at this point.
>>>
>>>
>> I use PmWiki (http://www.pmwiki.org) for lots of things. It stores
>> pages in a sort of plain text format. However, it's possible to use
>> your own markup rules, so in principle it could be used with org
>> files.
>
> Yes, I use PmWiki myself and think it's great. However, custom markup
> rules would work only as a partial solution here, since PmWiki stores
> pages (with all diffs) in its own peculiar flat file format that can't
> really be edited directly. (Take a look at the files in your wiki.d
> directory.)
>
> I suppose one could create org markup rules for Pmwiki and then edit the
> pages in org-mode via w3m. There is also a defunct pmwiki-mode for emacs
> that pulls PmWiki pages off a website for editing.
>
> For org-mode/wiki integration, oddmuse might be a good choice, since its
> stores each pages as a very simple plain text file. In fact, a quick
> google search revealed some efforts to create org-mode markup for
> oddmuse a year ago.
>
> - http://www.oddmuse.org/cgi-bin/oddmuse/Comments_on_Writing_Extensions
>
> - http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/4032
>
> I'll have to investigate further.
>
> - Matt
>
>
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* Re: HOWTO export document to wiki text?
  2009-01-19  7:42   ` Ian Barton
@ 2009-01-19 15:03     ` Matthew Lundin
  2009-01-19 15:27       ` Sebastian Rose
  2009-01-19 19:30       ` Ian Barton
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Matthew Lundin @ 2009-01-19 15:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Ian Barton; +Cc: Matthew Lundin, emacs-orgmode, Uwe Koloska


Hi Ian,

Ian Barton <lists@manor-farm.org> writes:

>> My dream is for wiki software that uses org files as its backend, thus
>> enabling community editing of org files via the web. But that, of
>> course, is only a dream at this point.
>>
>>
> I use PmWiki (http://www.pmwiki.org) for lots of things. It stores
> pages in a sort of plain text format. However, it's possible to use
> your own markup rules, so in principle it could be used with org
> files.

Yes, I use PmWiki myself and think it's great. However, custom markup
rules would work only as a partial solution here, since PmWiki stores
pages (with all diffs) in its own peculiar flat file format that can't
really be edited directly. (Take a look at the files in your wiki.d
directory.)

I suppose one could create org markup rules for Pmwiki and then edit the
pages in org-mode via w3m. There is also a defunct pmwiki-mode for emacs
that pulls PmWiki pages off a website for editing.

For org-mode/wiki integration, oddmuse might be a good choice, since its
stores each pages as a very simple plain text file. In fact, a quick
google search revealed some efforts to create org-mode markup for
oddmuse a year ago.

- http://www.oddmuse.org/cgi-bin/oddmuse/Comments_on_Writing_Extensions

- http://article.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.orgmode/4032

I'll have to investigate further.

- Matt

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* Re: HOWTO export document to wiki text?
  2009-01-18 18:26 ` Matthew Lundin
@ 2009-01-19  7:42   ` Ian Barton
  2009-01-19 15:03     ` Matthew Lundin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Ian Barton @ 2009-01-19  7:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Matthew Lundin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Uwe Koloska

> My dream is for wiki software that uses org files as its backend, thus
> enabling community editing of org files via the web. But that, of
> course, is only a dream at this point.
> 
>
I use PmWiki (http://www.pmwiki.org) for lots of things. It stores pages 
in a sort of plain text format. However, it's possible to use your own 
markup rules, so in principle it could be used with org files.

See http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/PmWiki/CustomMarkup for more details of 
using custom markup rules.

Ian.

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* Re: HOWTO export document to wiki text?
  2009-01-17 21:03 Uwe Koloska
  2009-01-18 18:26 ` Matthew Lundin
@ 2009-01-18 18:27 ` Eric Schulte
  2009-01-19 16:23 ` Christian Egli
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Eric Schulte @ 2009-01-18 18:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Uwe Koloska; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Uwe Koloska <uwe@koloro.de> writes:

> Hello,
>
> there is this very nice export to text feature and the superb HTML export. But 
> is it possible to convert org to some rich text notation used in wikis?  I 
> would like to include some of my documents into a wiki (dokuwiki and 
> TWiki/Foswiki).
> And if there is no such feature yet, where do I have to start to implement it?
>

Hi,

I believe the only export targets currently supported are html, xoxo,
ascii, and latex.

The first place to look for adding a new export format would be the
org-exp.el file in ~/lisp/org-exp.el (where ~ is the root of your
org-mode git directory).  See the function
`org-export-preprocess-string' and specifically the let binding at the
beginning which sets the htmlp, asciip, latexp, variables which indicate
the export target.  I would be the place to start reading to see how
exporting in org-mode works.

You may want to implement the new export in a new file separate from the
org-exp.el file.  This would be a good idea if the new export targets
might not be of wide enough applicability to actually change org-exp.el
(a fairly central org file).

Best of luck -- Eric

>
> Thank you
> Uwe Koloska
>
>
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* Re: HOWTO export document to wiki text?
  2009-01-17 21:03 Uwe Koloska
@ 2009-01-18 18:26 ` Matthew Lundin
  2009-01-19  7:42   ` Ian Barton
  2009-01-18 18:27 ` Eric Schulte
  2009-01-19 16:23 ` Christian Egli
  2 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread
From: Matthew Lundin @ 2009-01-18 18:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Uwe Koloska; +Cc: emacs-orgmode


Hi Uwe,

Uwe Koloska <uwe@koloro.de> writes:

> Hello,
>
> there is this very nice export to text feature and the superb HTML export. But 
> is it possible to convert org to some rich text notation used in wikis?  I 
> would like to include some of my documents into a wiki (dokuwiki and 
> TWiki/Foswiki).
> And if there is no such feature yet, where do I have to start to implement it?

This doesn't exactly answer your question, but for a quick and dirty
wiki conversion, I export an outline (or subtree) to html and then use the
perl script html2wiki to convert to the appropriate format.

http://diberri.dyndns.org/wikipedia/html2wiki/

It would be easy enough, I imagine, to create a script that combines the
two steps.

Obviously, this would only be a one-way conversion, from org files to
wiki. Carsten addresses the possibility of a two-way conversion via an
intermediate list format at the end of his Google text talk, but as far
as I know, that is still only an idea.

http://orgmode.org/GoogleTech.html

My dream is for wiki software that uses org files as its backend, thus
enabling community editing of org files via the web. But that, of
course, is only a dream at this point.

Best,
Matt

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* HOWTO export document to wiki text?
@ 2009-01-17 21:03 Uwe Koloska
  2009-01-18 18:26 ` Matthew Lundin
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 11+ messages in thread
From: Uwe Koloska @ 2009-01-17 21:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hello,

there is this very nice export to text feature and the superb HTML export. But 
is it possible to convert org to some rich text notation used in wikis?  I 
would like to include some of my documents into a wiki (dokuwiki and 
TWiki/Foswiki).
And if there is no such feature yet, where do I have to start to implement it?

Thank you
Uwe Koloska

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