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* LaTeX export of tables
@ 2009-10-13 10:35 Francesco Pizzolante
From: Francesco Pizzolante @ 2009-10-13 10:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing-list-org-mode

Hi,

When exporting tables to LaTeX, I think it would be good to have the following
options to be able to define:

- the table environment to be used: now we have the option to have tabular
and longtable, but I could also use array, tabular*, tabularx, tabulary,
etc.

The general rule is:

\begin{TABLEENV}{WIDTH}[VPOS]{COLS}
ROWS
\end{TABLEENV}

TABLEENV can be any of tabular, array, tabular*, tabularx, etc., depending
on the type of table I want.

Some types of table need a WIDTH to be specified; in this case, I would
add a WIDTH option. An extra vertical position VPOS option can also be
added to some types of table.

attribute.

The following options

#+ATTR_LATEX: tabularx width=\textwidth align=lX vpos=tb

would generate the following LaTeX code:

\begin{tabularx}{\textwidth}[tb]{lX}
ROWS
\end{tabularx}

- the rule to be used as hline (similar option as in
#+ORGTBL: :hline="\\midrule"):

#+ATTR_LATEX: hline=midrule or #+ATTR_LATEX: hline="\\midrule"

- define the top and bottom rules:

#+ATTR_LATEX: toprule="\\toprule" bottomrule="\\bottomrule"

Does it make sense? Would it be possible to have these new options in a future
orgmode release?

Thanks a lot.
Francesco

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* Re: LaTeX export of tables
@ 2009-10-19 11:58    Francesco Pizzolante
2009-10-19 18:05      Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2009-10-20  8:17      Carsten Dominik
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From: Francesco Pizzolante @ 2009-10-19 11:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: mailing-list-org-mode

Hi,

Can I give this thread a bump?

Francesco Pizzolante wrote:
> Hi,
>
> When exporting tables to LaTeX, I think it would be good to have the following
> options to be able to define:
>
>   - the table environment to be used: now we have the option to have tabular
>     and longtable, but I could also use array, tabular*, tabularx, tabulary,
>     etc.
>
>     The general rule is:
>
>     \begin{TABLEENV}{WIDTH}[VPOS]{COLS}
>     ROWS
>     \end{TABLEENV}
>
>     TABLEENV can be any of tabular, array, tabular*, tabularx, etc., depending
>     on the type of table I want.
>
>     Some types of table need a WIDTH to be specified; in this case, I would
>     add a WIDTH option. An extra vertical position VPOS option can also be
>     added to some types of table.
>
>     The COLS parameter already receives the value from the "align" org
>     attribute.
>
>     The following options
>
>     #+ATTR_LATEX: tabularx width=\textwidth align=lX vpos=tb
>
>     would generate the following LaTeX code:
>
>     \begin{tabularx}{\textwidth}[tb]{lX}
>     ROWS
>     \end{tabularx}
>
>
>   - the rule to be used as hline (similar option as in
>     #+ORGTBL: :hline="\\midrule"):
>
>     #+ATTR_LATEX: hline=midrule or #+ATTR_LATEX: hline="\\midrule"
>
>
>   - define the top and bottom rules:
>
>     #+ATTR_LATEX: toprule="\\toprule" bottomrule="\\bottomrule"
>
>
> Does it make sense? Would it be possible to have these new options in a future
> orgmode release?

I really am eager to use orgmode in order to generate all my LaTeX documents.
But, as of now, the LaTeX export of tables offers only limited flexibility.

My proposal is simply to add a few org attributes (type of the table, toprule,
bottomrule, hline, vpos) in order to get an improved flexibility when
generating LaTeX tables.

Can someone take care of my request?

Thanks a lot,
Francesco

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* Re: LaTeX export of tables
2009-10-19 11:58    Francesco Pizzolante
@ 2009-10-19 18:05      Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2009-10-20  8:17      Carsten Dominik
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Darlan Cavalcante Moreira @ 2009-10-19 18:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Francesco Pizzolante; +Cc: mailing-list-org-mode

If you are going to export only to LaTeX then you may just write the table in
latex syntax. Org-mode will recognize the latex environment and export it as it
is for latex. For HTML the table will be exported as a image, since it is a
"latex table" instead of an "org-mode table". It is not as convenient, but at
least you get what you want for now.

If you need to publish to another format then maybe there is a way to tell
org-mode to export certain part of the file only in latex, and other part only
in HTML. In this way you could have your elaborated table when publishing in
latex and a table following the org-mode syntax when publishing in HTML.

Darlan

At Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:58:07 +0200,
Francesco Pizzolante <fpz@missioncriticalit.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Can I give this thread a bump?
>
> Francesco Pizzolante wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > When exporting tables to LaTeX, I think it would be good to have the following
> > options to be able to define:
> >
> >   - the table environment to be used: now we have the option to have tabular
> >     and longtable, but I could also use array, tabular*, tabularx, tabulary,
> >     etc.
> >
> >     The general rule is:
> >
> >     \begin{TABLEENV}{WIDTH}[VPOS]{COLS}
> >     ROWS
> >     \end{TABLEENV}
> >
> >     TABLEENV can be any of tabular, array, tabular*, tabularx, etc., depending
> >     on the type of table I want.
> >
> >     Some types of table need a WIDTH to be specified; in this case, I would
> >     add a WIDTH option. An extra vertical position VPOS option can also be
> >     added to some types of table.
> >
> >     The COLS parameter already receives the value from the "align" org
> >     attribute.
> >
> >     The following options
> >
> >     #+ATTR_LATEX: tabularx width=\textwidth align=lX vpos=tb
> >
> >     would generate the following LaTeX code:
> >
> >     \begin{tabularx}{\textwidth}[tb]{lX}
> >     ROWS
> >     \end{tabularx}
> >
> >
> >   - the rule to be used as hline (similar option as in
> >     #+ORGTBL: :hline="\\midrule"):
> >
> >     #+ATTR_LATEX: hline=midrule or #+ATTR_LATEX: hline="\\midrule"
> >
> >
> >   - define the top and bottom rules:
> >
> >     #+ATTR_LATEX: toprule="\\toprule" bottomrule="\\bottomrule"
> >
> >
> > Does it make sense? Would it be possible to have these new options in a future
> > orgmode release?
>
> I really am eager to use orgmode in order to generate all my LaTeX documents.
> But, as of now, the LaTeX export of tables offers only limited flexibility.
>
> My proposal is simply to add a few org attributes (type of the table, toprule,
> bottomrule, hline, vpos) in order to get an improved flexibility when
> generating LaTeX tables.
>
> Can someone take care of my request?
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Francesco
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Remember: use Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
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* Re: LaTeX export of tables
2009-10-19 11:58    Francesco Pizzolante
2009-10-19 18:05      Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
@ 2009-10-20  8:17      Carsten Dominik
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-10-20  8:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Francesco Pizzolante; +Cc: mailing-list-org-mode

On Oct 19, 2009, at 1:58 PM, Francesco Pizzolante wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Can I give this thread a bump?

Hi Francesco,

Org-mode LaTeX export is intended to give you a way to
export your file as LaTeX.  It can never hope to give you
all the formatting options LaTeX has.  Sure, what you are saying could
be implemented, but so could many other things.  If you can come up
with a patch, I would consider it, but I am so strained to keep up
with the daily stuff, I don't expect to be able to put time into this.

An alternative to do this is to post-process your file using one of
the hooks and to switch out the environment used at that moment.

- Carsten

>
> Francesco Pizzolante wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> When exporting tables to LaTeX, I think it would be good to have
>> the following
>> options to be able to define:
>>
>>  - the table environment to be used: now we have the option to have
>> tabular
>>    and longtable, but I could also use array, tabular*, tabularx,
>> tabulary,
>>    etc.
>>
>>    The general rule is:
>>
>>    \begin{TABLEENV}{WIDTH}[VPOS]{COLS}
>>    ROWS
>>    \end{TABLEENV}
>>
>>    TABLEENV can be any of tabular, array, tabular*, tabularx, etc.,
>> depending
>>    on the type of table I want.
>>
>>    Some types of table need a WIDTH to be specified; in this case,
>> I would
>>    add a WIDTH option. An extra vertical position VPOS option can
>> also be
>>    added to some types of table.
>>
>>    The COLS parameter already receives the value from the "align" org
>>    attribute.
>>
>>    The following options
>>
>>    #+ATTR_LATEX: tabularx width=\textwidth align=lX vpos=tb
>>
>>    would generate the following LaTeX code:
>>
>>    \begin{tabularx}{\textwidth}[tb]{lX}
>>    ROWS
>>    \end{tabularx}
>>
>>
>>  - the rule to be used as hline (similar option as in
>>    #+ORGTBL: :hline="\\midrule"):
>>
>>    #+ATTR_LATEX: hline=midrule or #+ATTR_LATEX: hline="\\midrule"
>>
>>
>>  - define the top and bottom rules:
>>
>>    #+ATTR_LATEX: toprule="\\toprule" bottomrule="\\bottomrule"
>>
>>
>> Does it make sense? Would it be possible to have these new options
>> in a future
>> orgmode release?
>
> I really am eager to use orgmode in order to generate all my LaTeX
> documents.
> But, as of now, the LaTeX export of tables offers only limited
> flexibility.
>
> My proposal is simply to add a few org attributes (type of the
> table, toprule,
> bottomrule, hline, vpos) in order to get an improved flexibility when
> generating LaTeX tables.
>
> Can someone take care of my request?
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Francesco
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> Remember: use Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode

- Carsten

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* Re: Latex export of tables
2013-04-16 21:39          Suvayu Ali
2013-04-16 23:45            Thomas S. Dye
@ 2013-04-17 10:21            Myles English
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Myles English @ 2013-04-17 10:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Suvayu Ali; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Thomas S. Dye

Hi Suvayu,

Suvayu Ali writes:

> Actually, I am working on a workflow for large writing projects, my PhD
> thesis in this case :-p.  What I have in mind is have a Makefile based
> build system that uses emacs --batch' to export to LaTeX and html.  The
> images are generated separately using babel blocks or standalone TeX
> files with TikZ code.  I intend to make pdf images for LaTeX and convert
> them to png/svg with imagemagick/inkscape.  Of course all of this is
> still a pipe dream; if I get it working, I'll definitely write a Worg
> page on it.  Of course it will be great if people with interesting ideas
> pitch in :).  I expect to have an early working environment in a couple
> of months.

I am looking forward to seeing what you come up with.  (I have mentioned
this before, however) I have been using a CMake system for LaTeX export:

http://cmake.org/Wiki/images/8/80/UseLATEX.cmake

This allows (amongst other things) generating graphics from stand alone
R scripts that get their own data from a database.  I believe the new
version has some kind of support for SVG.  I used this system for
several papers and my thesis and it has three main advantages:

1) out-of-source builds, so my working dir doesn't get cluttered with
LaTeX files

2) asynchronous export of org to LaTeX (although this is now available
with the new exporter)

3) the graphics are regenerated every time so I know it all still
works

I tangle a CMakeList.txt from every org file that I want to export, then
run cmake ~/path; make from the commandline.

(Version control as part of this workflow is possibly another topic: I
have been using git subtrees to make project-local copies of files such
as mystyle.sty and mybiblatex.bib and then update the main git repo with
the changes, and pull the changes down to another project.)

I'll just paste the whole CMakeList.txt so you can see what it looks
like, but the most interesting part is the emacs --batch command:

#+BEGIN_SRC sh :tangle CMakeLists.txt
cmake_minimum_required(VERSION 2.8)

project(relk NONE)

include(/usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/UseLATEX.cmake)

# export the .tex file from the .org file
# using the emacs orgmode exporter
latex_get_output_path(OUTPUT_DIR)

file(COPY ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/relkpaper.org DESTINATION${OUTPUT_DIR}/ )
file(COPY /home/myles/lib/lisp/my-export.el DESTINATION ${OUTPUT_DIR}/ ) add_custom_target( orgfile ALL DEPENDS${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/relkpaper.org )

DEPENDS ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/my-export.el ) add_custom_command( OUTPUT${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/relkpaper.tex
COMMAND emacs --batch --eval \"(progn
(expand-file-name \\"~/.emacs.d/plugins/org-mode/lisp/\\"))
(expand-file-name \\"~/.emacs.d/plugins/org-mode/contrib/lisp/\\" t))
(require 'org)
(require 'ox)
(require 'org-exp)
'((emacs-lisp . t)
(sh . t)))
(setq org-confirm-babel-evaluate nil)
(setq org-export-with-todo-keywords nil)
(setq org-export-babel-evaluate nil)
(find-file \\"${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/relkpaper.org\\") (org-latex-export-to-latex))\" DEPENDS orgfile elfile COMMENT "Exporting orgmode file to LaTeX using emacs") add_custom_target( mainfile ALL DEPENDS${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/relkpaper.tex )

# Set R executable
set(R_COMPILE "/usr/bin/Rscript")
# Set the location of data files
##set(DATA_DIR data)
# Set the location of the directory for image files
set(IMAGE_DIR graphicsauto)

# Get a list of R files
file(GLOB_RECURSE R_FILES "*.R")

# Copy over all R scripts
#   OUTPUT ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/R # DEPENDS${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/R
#   COMMAND ${CMAKE_COMMAND} -E copy_directory #${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/R
#     ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/R # ) file( COPY${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/R
DESTINATION ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}) file(MAKE_DIRECTORY${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}) foreach(file${R_FILES})
message("processing ${file}") get_filename_component(basename "${file}" NAME_WE)
#file(COPY ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/R/${file} DESTINATION ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/R/${file})
# # Replace strings in R files so data files can be found
# ${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}/${basename}.R # file_contents # ) # string(REPLACE "${DATA_DIR}" "${IMAGE_DIR}/${DATA_DIR}"
# changed_file_contents ${file_contents} # ) # file(WRITE #${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}/${basename}.R
# ${changed_file_contents} # ) # Command to run R if(R_COMPILE) message("Adding ...........${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/R/${basename}.R") add_custom_command( OUTPUT${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}/${basename}.eps
DEPENDS
${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/R/${basename}.R
#      ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}/${DATA_DIR} COMMAND${R_COMPILE}
ARGS
${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/R/${basename}.R
${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}/${basename}.eps ) message("Running${R_COMPILE} ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/R/${basename}.R ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}/${basename}.eps") # add_dependencies(${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/R/${basename}.R #${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}/${basename}.eps
#)
endif(R_COMPILE)

# Make a list of all R files (for ADD_LATEX_DOCUMENT depend)
set(ALL_R_FILES ${ALL_R_FILES}${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}/${basename}.eps
)
endforeach(file)

# # Copy over all data files needed to generate R graphs
#   OUTPUT ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}/${DATA_DIR} # DEPENDS${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}/${DATA_DIR}
#   COMMAND ${CMAKE_COMMAND} -E copy_directory #${CMAKE_CURRENT_SOURCE_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}/${DATA_DIR}
#     ${CMAKE_CURRENT_BINARY_DIR}/${IMAGE_DIR}/${DATA_DIR} # ) add_latex_document( a.tex INPUTS texlib/mystyle.sty IMAGE_DIRS img/scans${IMAGE_DIR} img
DEPENDS \${ALL_R_FILES}
mainfile
BIBFILES texlib/mybiblatex.bib
DEFAULT_PDF
USE_NOMENCL
)

#+END_SRC

Myles

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* Re: Latex export of tables
2013-04-16 21:39          Suvayu Ali
@ 2013-04-16 23:45            Thomas S. Dye
2013-04-17 10:21            Myles English
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Thomas S. Dye @ 2013-04-16 23:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Suvayu Ali; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Suvayu,

Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:

> Hey Tom,
>
> Actually, I am working on a workflow for large writing projects, my PhD
> thesis in this case :-p.  What I have in mind is have a Makefile based
> build system that uses emacs --batch' to export to LaTeX and html.  The
> images are generated separately using babel blocks or standalone TeX
> files with TikZ code.  I intend to make pdf images for LaTeX and convert
> them to png/svg with imagemagick/inkscape.  Of course all of this is
> still a pipe dream; if I get it working, I'll definitely write a Worg
> page on it.  Of course it will be great if people with interesting ideas
> pitch in :).  I expect to have an early working environment in a couple
> of months.

This sounds like the system I was using near the end of the old
exporter's life. When Nicolas added asynchronous export to the new
exporter I was able to abandon the Makefile. Lately, I've been tangling
init.el files from my source document. I really like this approach
because the asynchronous exporter starts off with a fresh emacs instance
(the infamous emacs -Q, I think) and you don't have to worry if your
.emacs has an old setting that has some weird effect on export--all of
the setup is in the babel block that generates the init.el file. I like
that the init.el setup travels with the document in the Org mode file. I
think it helps with reproducibility.

All the best,
Tom

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* Re: Latex export of tables
2013-04-16 20:07        Thomas S. Dye
@ 2013-04-16 21:39          Suvayu Ali
2013-04-16 23:45            Thomas S. Dye
2013-04-17 10:21            Myles English
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Suvayu Ali @ 2013-04-16 21:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Thomas S. Dye; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hey Tom,

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:07:26AM -1000, Thomas S. Dye wrote:
> Aloha all,
>
> Jumping in here with apologies :)

Isn't that why we discuss on mailing lists, so that people can jump in
;).

> > I'm suggesting this because if you continue on this path, i.e. litter
> > your Org file with hacks, soon you will end up with an extremely fragile
> > and complicated Org project.  I have been down that road while writing
> > my thesis.  At one point I realised the problem and made the decision to
> > split things into two kinds of files: static content (document
> > structuring, text, plots, etc), and dynamic content (babel, TikZ blocks
> > that generate tables, plots, figures, etc used by the static content
> > files).  It is still reproducible research, but modular and less hacky
> > (hence more stable).
>
> The path to a fragile and complicated Org project is well-worn, I've
> been down it too many times myself. The habits I've developed over time
> have helped, but I think they are less systematic than what you've
> devised. I'd love to see some notes on your solution as a brief tutorial
> or an expanded FAQ on Worg.  I'll be happy to contribute or help if you
> find time to do something like this.

Actually, I am working on a workflow for large writing projects, my PhD
thesis in this case :-p.  What I have in mind is have a Makefile based
build system that uses emacs --batch' to export to LaTeX and html.  The
images are generated separately using babel blocks or standalone TeX
files with TikZ code.  I intend to make pdf images for LaTeX and convert
them to png/svg with imagemagick/inkscape.  Of course all of this is
still a pipe dream; if I get it working, I'll definitely write a Worg
page on it.  Of course it will be great if people with interesting ideas
pitch in :).  I expect to have an early working environment in a couple
of months.

:)

--
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

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* Re: Latex export of tables
2013-04-16 17:39      Suvayu Ali
@ 2013-04-16 20:07        Thomas S. Dye
2013-04-16 21:39          Suvayu Ali
From: Thomas S. Dye @ 2013-04-16 20:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Suvayu Ali; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Aloha all,

Jumping in here with apologies :)

Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Vikas,
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 05:26:19PM +0530, Vikas Rawal wrote:
>> > > I am using org-mode version 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-247-gbc3ccd @
>> > > /home/vikas/lisp/org-mode/lisp/).
>> > >
>> > > I have a table generated by a source block in a document that I would
>> > > like to export to latex. In the exported tex file, I would like org to
>> > > insert a line like the following between \end(tabular} and \end{table}
>> > >
>> > > \begin{minipage}{\textwidth} \tiny Note: Some descriptive text
>> > > here. \end{minipage}
>> >
>> > I do not think this is possible.  You have to realise that Org does not
>> > aim to support everything you can do with a backend natively.  One of
>> > the primary reasons for that is the backend agnostic abstraction
>> > provided by Org.
>>
>> I have seen some way of doing things like this. See section 13.3 at
>> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html
>>
>> I can't get it to work though. Will keep trying.
>
> Many of the things on that page is old exporter specific and probably
> will not work with the new exporter.

John Hendy is reorganizing this material and at some point will either
remove the tutorial or label it clearly as specific to the old exporter.

>
>> There is also a reason for not doing it natively in latex even if the
>> org-mode solution is somewhat round-about. I am writing a research
>> paper using orgmode, with embedded R source blocks in it. I do not
>> mind embedding some latex source block into it but I would not like to
>> edit an exported latex file. After all, in the end, the objective is
>> to be able to have an org file which produces a full paper when exported.
>
> Then generate LaTeX tables from R not Org tables.  As far as I know, R
> is capable of that.  I believe you can pass the ":wrap latex" option to
> the babel block to wrap your LaTeX table with
> "#+begin_latex..#+end_latex".

One reason to stick with Org tables is to ensure stylistic consistency
in the LaTeX output for all tables, regardless of where they originated.
This is more of a convenience than anything else, since the approach you
suggest can yield arbitrarily styled tables, too.

>
> I'm suggesting this because if you continue on this path, i.e. litter
> your Org file with hacks, soon you will end up with an extremely fragile
> and complicated Org project.  I have been down that road while writing
> my thesis.  At one point I realised the problem and made the decision to
> split things into two kinds of files: static content (document
> structuring, text, plots, etc), and dynamic content (babel, TikZ blocks
> that generate tables, plots, figures, etc used by the static content
> files).  It is still reproducible research, but modular and less hacky
> (hence more stable).

The path to a fragile and complicated Org project is well-worn, I've
been down it too many times myself. The habits I've developed over time
have helped, but I think they are less systematic than what you've
devised. I'd love to see some notes on your solution as a brief tutorial
or an expanded FAQ on Worg.  I'll be happy to contribute or help if you
find time to do something like this.

All the best,
Tom

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http://www.tsdye.com

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* Re: Latex export of tables
2013-04-16 11:56    Vikas Rawal
2013-04-16 13:13      Thomas Alexander Gerds
@ 2013-04-16 17:39      Suvayu Ali
2013-04-16 20:07        Thomas S. Dye
From: Suvayu Ali @ 2013-04-16 17:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode

Hi Vikas,

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 05:26:19PM +0530, Vikas Rawal wrote:
> > > I am using org-mode version 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-247-gbc3ccd @
> > > /home/vikas/lisp/org-mode/lisp/).
> > >
> > > I have a table generated by a source block in a document that I would
> > > like to export to latex. In the exported tex file, I would like org to
> > > insert a line like the following between \end(tabular} and \end{table}
> > >
> > > \begin{minipage}{\textwidth} \tiny Note: Some descriptive text here. \end{minipage}
> >
> > I do not think this is possible.  You have to realise that Org does not
> > aim to support everything you can do with a backend natively.  One of
> > the primary reasons for that is the backend agnostic abstraction
> > provided by Org.
>
> I have seen some way of doing things like this. See section 13.3 at
> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html
>
> I can't get it to work though. Will keep trying.

Many of the things on that page is old exporter specific and probably
will not work with the new exporter.

> There is also a reason for not doing it natively in latex even if the
> org-mode solution is somewhat round-about. I am writing a research
> paper using orgmode, with embedded R source blocks in it. I do not
> mind embedding some latex source block into it but I would not like to
> edit an exported latex file. After all, in the end, the objective is
> to be able to have an org file which produces a full paper when exported.

Then generate LaTeX tables from R not Org tables.  As far as I know, R
is capable of that.  I believe you can pass the ":wrap latex" option to
the babel block to wrap your LaTeX table with
"#+begin_latex..#+end_latex".

I'm suggesting this because if you continue on this path, i.e. litter
your Org file with hacks, soon you will end up with an extremely fragile
and complicated Org project.  I have been down that road while writing
my thesis.  At one point I realised the problem and made the decision to
split things into two kinds of files: static content (document
structuring, text, plots, etc), and dynamic content (babel, TikZ blocks
that generate tables, plots, figures, etc used by the static content
files).  It is still reproducible research, but modular and less hacky
(hence more stable).

Of course all of this is my personal opinion, it might be completely

Good luck,

--
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

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* Re: Latex export of tables
2013-04-16 11:56    Vikas Rawal
@ 2013-04-16 13:13      Thomas Alexander Gerds
2013-04-16 17:39      Suvayu Ali
1 sibling, 0 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Thomas Alexander Gerds @ 2013-04-16 13:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Vikas Rawal; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Vikas

Here is a table produced by a R-src block
with some descriptive text in a minipage:

-----------------------snip----------------------------------------------

#+BEGIN_SRC R  :results output latex  :exports results  :session *R* :cache yes
tab <- matrix(1:12,nrow=4)
cat("\n\\begin{table}\n")
cat("\\begin{minipage}{\\textwidth}\n")
cat("\\tiny{ Note: some descriptive text}\n")
cat("\\end{minipage}\n")
nix <- apply(tab,1,function(x)cat(paste(x,collab="&"),"\\\\\n"))
cat("\\end{table}\n")
#+END_SRC

#+RESULTS[<2013-04-16 15:11:58> 964853177d477abc1cba212a72dde1f7cf3251c0]:
#+BEGIN_LaTeX

\begin{table}
\begin{minipage}{\textwidth}
\tiny{ Note: some descriptive text}
\end{minipage}
1 & 5 & 9 & \\
2 & 6 & 10 & \\
3 & 7 & 11 & \\
4 & 8 & 12 & \\
\end{table}
#+END_LaTeX

-----------------------snap----------------------------------------------

cheers Thomas

Vikas Rawal <vikaslists@agrarianresearch.org> writes:

>> > I am using org-mode version 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-247-gbc3ccd @
>> > /home/vikas/lisp/org-mode/lisp/).
>> >
>> > I have a table generated by a source block in a document that I
>> > would like to export to latex. In the exported tex file, I would
>> > like org to insert a line like the following between \end(tabular}
>> > and \end{table}
>> >
>> > \begin{minipage}{\textwidth} \tiny Note: Some descriptive text
>> > here. \end{minipage}
>>  I do not think this is possible.  You have to realise that Org does
>> not aim to support everything you can do with a backend natively.
>> One of the primary reasons for that is the backend agnostic
>> abstraction provided by Org.
>
> I have seen some way of doing things like this. See section 13.3 at
> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html
>
> I can't get it to work though. Will keep trying.
>
>>  When in need of specific needs like this, I resort to writing LaTeX
>> natively.
>
> I guess one thing about org-mode is that it is addictive. Afterall, if
> it is something to do with manipulating text, it ought to be possible
> :)
>
> There is also a reason for not doing it natively in latex even if the
> org-mode solution is somewhat round-about. I am writing a research
> paper using orgmode, with embedded R source blocks in it. I do not
> mind embedding some latex source block into it but I would not like to
> edit an exported latex file. After all, in the end, the objective is
> to be able to have an org file which produces a full paper when
> exported.
>
> Vikas
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* Re: Latex export of tables
2013-04-14 23:29  Suvayu Ali
@ 2013-04-16 11:56    Vikas Rawal
2013-04-16 13:13      Thomas Alexander Gerds
2013-04-16 17:39      Suvayu Ali
0 siblings, 2 replies; 13+ messages in thread
From: Vikas Rawal @ 2013-04-16 11:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Suvayu Ali; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

> > I am using org-mode version 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-247-gbc3ccd @
> > /home/vikas/lisp/org-mode/lisp/).
> >
> > I have a table generated by a source block in a document that I would
> > like to export to latex. In the exported tex file, I would like org to
> > insert a line like the following between \end(tabular} and \end{table}
> >
> > \begin{minipage}{\textwidth} \tiny Note: Some descriptive text here. \end{minipage}
>
> I do not think this is possible.  You have to realise that Org does not
> aim to support everything you can do with a backend natively.  One of
> the primary reasons for that is the backend agnostic abstraction
> provided by Org.

I have seen some way of doing things like this. See section 13.3 at
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html

I can't get it to work though. Will keep trying.

>
> When in need of specific needs like this, I resort to writing LaTeX
> natively.

I guess one thing about org-mode is that it is addictive. Afterall, if
it is something to do with manipulating text, it ought to be possible
:)

There is also a reason for not doing it natively in latex even if the
org-mode solution is somewhat round-about. I am writing a research
paper using orgmode, with embedded R source blocks in it. I do not
mind embedding some latex source block into it but I would not like to
edit an exported latex file. After all, in the end, the objective is
to be able to have an org file which produces a full paper when exported.

Vikas

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* Re: Latex export of tables
2013-04-12  8:06 Latex " Vikas Rawal
@ 2013-04-14 23:29  Suvayu Ali
2013-04-16 11:56    Vikas Rawal
From: Suvayu Ali @ 2013-04-14 23:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode

Hello Vikas,

On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 01:36:01PM +0530, Vikas Rawal wrote:
> I am using org-mode version 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-247-gbc3ccd @
> /home/vikas/lisp/org-mode/lisp/).
>
> I have a table generated by a source block in a document that I would
> like to export to latex. In the exported tex file, I would like org to
> insert a line like the following between \end(tabular} and \end{table}
>
> \begin{minipage}{\textwidth} \tiny Note: Some descriptive text here. \end{minipage}

I do not think this is possible.  You have to realise that Org does not
aim to support everything you can do with a backend natively.  One of
the primary reasons for that is the backend agnostic abstraction
provided by Org.

When in need of specific needs like this, I resort to writing LaTeX
natively.

Hope this helps somehow,

--
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

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* Latex export of tables
@ 2013-04-12  8:06 Vikas Rawal
2013-04-14 23:29  Suvayu Ali
From: Vikas Rawal @ 2013-04-12  8:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode

I am using org-mode version 8.0-pre (release_8.0-pre-247-gbc3ccd @
/home/vikas/lisp/org-mode/lisp/).

I have a table generated by a source block in a document that I would
like to export to latex. In the exported tex file, I would like org to
insert a line like the following between \end(tabular} and \end{table}

\begin{minipage}{\textwidth} \tiny Note: Some descriptive text here. \end{minipage}

Can somebody suggest what I could do to insert this?

I have been playing with something like the following but am not able
to get it right.

#+LATEX: {
#+NAME: table-name-out
#+CAPTION: Average gross value of output and net income from cultivation of wheat intercropped with rapeseed, by class, Mahatwar (Rupees per acre, 2005-06 prices)
#+attr_latex: :environment tabulary :width 15cm :align l|RRR
#+RESULTS: source_code_name
| A | B | C |
|---+---+---|
| 1 | 1 | 1 |
| 1 | 2 | 3 |
| 2 | 2 | 4 |
#+LATEX: \begin{minipage}{} \tiny Note: Some descriptive text here.#\end{minipage}  }

Vikas

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2009-10-19 11:58    Francesco Pizzolante
2009-10-19 18:05      Darlan Cavalcante Moreira
2009-10-20  8:17      Carsten Dominik
2013-04-12  8:06 Latex " Vikas Rawal
2013-04-14 23:29  Suvayu Ali
2013-04-16 11:56    Vikas Rawal
2013-04-16 13:13      Thomas Alexander Gerds
2013-04-16 17:39      Suvayu Ali
2013-04-16 20:07        Thomas S. Dye
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