* Update ispell-dictionary to text language
@ 2010-01-11 11:27 Sébastien Vauban
2010-01-11 15:31 ` Benjamin Andresen
2010-02-21 8:25 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Sébastien Vauban @ 2010-01-11 11:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hello,
Here my proposal (and my very first self-written chunk of ELisp code) for
switching to the right language for ispell, upon reading the contents of the
meta-tag `LANGUAGE'.
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(defun org-switch-language ()
"Switch language for Org file, if a `#+LANGUAGE:' meta-tag is on top 14 lines."
(save-excursion
(goto-line 15)
(if (re-search-backward "#\\+LANGUAGE: +\\([A-Za-z_]*\\)" 1 t)
(ispell-change-dictionary (match-string 1)))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
That should be hooked, such in:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(add-hook 'org-mode-hook
(lambda ()
;; file modification date
(set (make-local-variable 'time-stamp-format) "%:y-%02m-%02d")
(set (make-local-variable 'time-stamp-start) "^#\\+DATE: +")
(set (make-local-variable 'time-stamp-end) "$")
;; guess language
(org-switch-language)
;; flyspell mode to spell check everywhere
(flyspell-mode 1)))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Maybe that could become a default in Org. I think that makes sense.
Comments are (more than) welcome...
Best regards,
Seb
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* Re: Update ispell-dictionary to text language
2010-01-11 11:27 Update ispell-dictionary to text language Sébastien Vauban
@ 2010-01-11 15:31 ` Benjamin Andresen
2010-01-13 10:20 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-02-21 8:25 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Benjamin Andresen @ 2010-01-11 15:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hey Sébastien,
Sébastien Vauban <wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com> writes:
> Hello,
>
> Here my proposal (and my very first self-written chunk of ELisp code) for
> switching to the right language for ispell, upon reading the contents of the
> meta-tag `LANGUAGE'.
I think using File Variables are better for this. For no particular
reason except they are standardized and don't require any additional
code in Org Mode.
(info "(emacs)Specifying File Variables")
# -*- ispell-local-dictionary: "german" -*-
> Best regards,
> Seb
br,
benny
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* Re: Update ispell-dictionary to text language
2010-01-11 15:31 ` Benjamin Andresen
@ 2010-01-13 10:20 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-01-15 7:14 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Sébastien Vauban @ 2010-01-13 10:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hi Benjamin,
Benjamin Andresen wrote:
> Sébastien Vauban <wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>> Here my proposal (and my very first self-written chunk of ELisp code) for
>> switching to the right language for ispell, upon reading the contents of
>> the meta-tag `LANGUAGE'.
>
> I think using File Variables are better for this. For no particular reason
> except they are standardized and don't require any additional code in Org
> Mode.
> (info "(emacs)Specifying File Variables")
> # -*- ispell-local-dictionary: "german" -*-
I know them, even use them in directories (see `.dir-locals.el'), instead of
files.
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
((org-mode . ((ispell-local-dictionary . "american")
(time-stamp-format . "%:y-%02m-%02d")
(time-stamp-start . "^#\\+DATE: +")
(time-stamp-end . "$"))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
BUT there is a *language specification* in the Org template:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
#+TITLE: Scorpios.org
#+AUTHOR: Seb Vauban
#+EMAIL: no-LMehjL4SQ+Y@public.gmane.org
#+DATE: 2010-01-13 Wed
#+DESCRIPTION:
#+KEYWORDS:
#+LANGUAGE: en
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
^^
AND it is *used by Org* (at least for the HTML export, and for LaTeX as well I
think -- or, in any case, it should use it).
Thus, I try to avoid declaring which language is used in the buffer at two
different spots, because we can change one and forget to change the other.
Therefore, I would like to keep only one language declaration (the one of the
Org template, in this case), and get Emacs follow it.
Does this make sense?
Best regards,
Seb
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* Re: Re: Update ispell-dictionary to text language
2010-01-13 10:20 ` Sébastien Vauban
@ 2010-01-15 7:14 ` Carsten Dominik
2010-01-15 8:55 ` Sébastien Vauban
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From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-01-15 7:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sébastien Vauban; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
I have seen this thread and I am still contemplating what
to do with it. More input and opinions would be welcome.
- Carsten
On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Sébastien Vauban wrote:
> Hi Benjamin,
>
> Benjamin Andresen wrote:
>> Sébastien Vauban <wxhgmqzgwmuf@spammotel.com> writes:
>>>
>>> Here my proposal (and my very first self-written chunk of ELisp
>>> code) for
>>> switching to the right language for ispell, upon reading the
>>> contents of
>>> the meta-tag `LANGUAGE'.
>>
>> I think using File Variables are better for this. For no particular
>> reason
>> except they are standardized and don't require any additional code
>> in Org
>> Mode.
>> (info "(emacs)Specifying File Variables")
>> # -*- ispell-local-dictionary: "german" -*-
>
> I know them, even use them in directories (see `.dir-locals.el'),
> instead of
> files.
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> ((org-mode . ((ispell-local-dictionary . "american")
> (time-stamp-format . "%:y-%02m-%02d")
> (time-stamp-start . "^#\\+DATE: +")
> (time-stamp-end . "$"))))
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> BUT there is a *language specification* in the Org template:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> #+TITLE: Scorpios.org
> #+AUTHOR: Seb Vauban
> #+EMAIL: no@one.com
> #+DATE: 2010-01-13 Wed
> #+DESCRIPTION:
> #+KEYWORDS:
> #+LANGUAGE: en
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> ^^
>
> AND it is *used by Org* (at least for the HTML export, and for LaTeX
> as well I
> think -- or, in any case, it should use it).
>
> Thus, I try to avoid declaring which language is used in the buffer
> at two
> different spots, because we can change one and forget to change the
> other.
>
> Therefore, I would like to keep only one language declaration (the
> one of the
> Org template, in this case), and get Emacs follow it.
>
> Does this make sense?
>
> Best regards,
> Seb
>
> --
> Sébastien Vauban
>
>
>
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- Carsten
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* Re: Update ispell-dictionary to text language
2010-01-15 7:14 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2010-01-15 8:55 ` Sébastien Vauban
2010-01-15 10:22 ` Torsten Wagner
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From: Sébastien Vauban @ 2010-01-15 8:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode-mXXj517/zsQ
Hi Carsten,
Carsten Dominik wrote:
> On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Sébastien Vauban wrote:
>> Benjamin Andresen wrote:
>>> Sébastien Vauban <wxhgmqzgwmuf-geNee64TY+gS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>> Here my proposal (and my very first self-written chunk of ELisp code) for
>>>> switching to the right language for ispell, upon reading the contents of
>>>> the meta-tag `LANGUAGE'.
>>>
>>> I think using File Variables are better for this. For no particular reason
>>> except they are standardized and don't require any additional code in Org
>>> Mode.
>>> (info "(emacs)Specifying File Variables")
>>> # -*- ispell-local-dictionary: "german" -*-
>>
>> I know them [...] BUT there is a *language specification* in the Org
>> template [...] AND it is *used by Org* (at least for the HTML export, and
>> for LaTeX as well I think -- or, in any case, it should use it).
>>
>> Thus, I try to avoid declaring which language is used in the buffer at two
>> different spots, because we can change one and forget to change the other.
>>
>> Therefore, I would like to keep only one language declaration (the one of
>> the Org template, in this case), and get Emacs follow it.
>>
>> Does this make sense?
>
> I have seen this thread and I am still contemplating what
> to do with it.
My arguments are:
- We have a language specification in the Org template
- That should be used during the export to HTML (DONE)
- That should be used during the export to LaTeX (TODO)
- That should be used for editing the buffer in the right language (TODO/DONE,
see my proposal)
I'm quite against /mixing language declarations/:
- in the Org template *and*
- in buffer local variables.
Of course, we could imagine the other way around: using the value of
`ispell-local-dictionary' for the 3 objectives (edition in correct language,
correct setting for generated HTML, correct setting for generated LaTeX). It'd
be as good for me.
> More input and opinions would be welcome.
So do I! ;-)
Best regards,
Seb
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* Re: Re: Update ispell-dictionary to text language
2010-01-15 8:55 ` Sébastien Vauban
@ 2010-01-15 10:22 ` Torsten Wagner
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From: Torsten Wagner @ 2010-01-15 10:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi Seb,
Hi Carsten,
I guess it depends highly on the definition. I can see Sebastien's points. It
is somewhat strange to have a header-row "language" which does not have
anything to do with the way how org-mode (resp. emacs) handels the org-buffer.
And the danger to use two different places + the confusion of two slightly
different styles may confuse esp. newbies like me.
However, on the other side, it is said that C-c C-e t "insert the *export*
option template". Which strongly refer to export features.
I guess it would be more clear if there is a #+EXPORT_LANGUAGE tag.
But to change this now is stupid as well.
So not right sure what to do.
Maybe leave it to people and offer a flag to say in the org config something like
export_language is equal to ispell_language (maybe working both directions)
Just two newbie-cents
Totti
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* Re: Update ispell-dictionary to text language
2010-01-11 11:27 Update ispell-dictionary to text language Sébastien Vauban
2010-01-11 15:31 ` Benjamin Andresen
@ 2010-02-21 8:25 ` Carsten Dominik
1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2010-02-21 8:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sébastien Vauban; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi everyone,
in the end I decided to not do this change. I am uncomfortable to
link these different areas in Emacs in a way that is fixed.
Maybe you want to post your code in org-hacks.php on Worg.... ?
- Carsten
On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Sébastien Vauban wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Here my proposal (and my very first self-written chunk of ELisp
> code) for
> switching to the right language for ispell, upon reading the
> contents of the
> meta-tag `LANGUAGE'.
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> (defun org-switch-language ()
> "Switch language for Org file, if a `#+LANGUAGE:' meta-tag is on
> top 14 lines."
> (save-excursion
> (goto-line 15)
> (if (re-search-backward "#\\+LANGUAGE: +\\([A-Za-z_]*\\)" 1 t)
> (ispell-change-dictionary (match-string 1)))))
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> That should be hooked, such in:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> (add-hook 'org-mode-hook
> (lambda ()
> ;; file modification date
> (set (make-local-variable 'time-stamp-format) "%:y-%02m-
> %02d")
> (set (make-local-variable 'time-stamp-start) "^#\\
> +DATE: +")
> (set (make-local-variable 'time-stamp-end) "$")
>
> ;; guess language
> (org-switch-language)
>
> ;; flyspell mode to spell check everywhere
> (flyspell-mode 1)))
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> Maybe that could become a default in Org. I think that makes sense.
>
> Comments are (more than) welcome...
>
> Best regards,
> Seb
>
> --
> Sébastien Vauban
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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- Carsten
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