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* a few suggestions for org-mode table
@ 2009-06-19 15:29 Michael Brand
  2009-06-21  6:16 ` Carsten Dominik
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Michael Brand @ 2009-06-19 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

1) I would like to have the fixed width columns in tables to be able to wrap around text as an alternative to the now implemented text truncation. As a "workaround" I use this:

| x | first letter  |
| y | the greek     |
|   | \ letter      |
|   | \ ypsilon     |
|   | z still empty |
| t | x, y, z and t |

This is almost perfect except the real pain for the manual rewrap when changing the text. The difficulty I see here is to define, how do I want to indicate the top and bottom edge and width of the cell? Probably by padding the separators +---+---+ and defining the column width <9> if they are not already there. But since I would like to optionally remove the separators again after the change, it would be necessary to have some indentation like I did with `\ ' and which should not conflict with alignment.


2) One could like to have configurable left/right alignment, even combinable with column width, e. g.

| <l10>      | <r>       |
| 3.14       |      0x10 |
| 3.141592=> | 0x32 0x10 |


3) One could like to have decimal point alignment

|   432.10 |
| 5'432.1  |

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread

• * Re: a few suggestions for org-mode table
    2009-06-19 15:29 a few suggestions for org-mode table Michael Brand
  @ 2009-06-21  6:16 ` Carsten Dominik
    2009-06-21  6:18 ` Carsten Dominik
    2009-06-22  6:14 ` Carsten Dominik
    2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
  From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-06-21  6:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
  
  Hi Michael,
  
  Org-mode tables are single line per row, and this will
  not change, I am quite sure - there are too many problems
  associated with this.
  
  Interestingly enough, there was a time when I wanted to have
  this as well, and there is even a command in Org where you can
  wrap a couple of lines in a table by selecting text from
  "the greek" to "empty" and calling `M-x org-table-wrap-region'.
  
  However, this is not a good solution, because it does not work
  correctly with the exporters.
  
  A much better solution is to write all that text into one line
  and use <N>, for example <20> in the same column in another row
  to restrict the width of this column for display.  You can mark this
  row with "/" in the first, special column to make sure that it will
  not appear in export.
  
  Finally, for export, you can then use attributes to make this
  column format as a narrow block.
  
  Here is an example tuned for for LaTeX:
  
  #+ATTR_LaTeX: align=|l|p{2cm}|
  | / |   | <20>                 |
  |   | x | first letter         |
  |   | y | the greek letter ypsilon z still empty |
  |   | t | x, y, z and t        |
  |   |   |                      |
  
  HTH
  
  - Carsten
  
  On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
  
  > 1) I would like to have the fixed width columns in tables to be able  
  > to wrap around text as an alternative to the now implemented text  
  > truncation. As a "workaround" I use this:
  >
  > | x | first letter  |
  > | y | the greek     |
  > |   | \ letter      |
  > |   | \ ypsilon     |
  > |   | z still empty |
  > | t | x, y, z and t |
  >
  > This is almost perfect except the real pain for the manual rewrap  
  > when changing the text. The difficulty I see here is to define, how  
  > do I want to indicate the top and bottom edge and width of the cell?  
  > Probably by padding the separators +---+---+ and defining the column  
  > width <9> if they are not already there. But since I would like to  
  > optionally remove the separators again after the change, it would be  
  > necessary to have some indentation like I did with `\ ' and which  
  > should not conflict with alignment.
  >
  >
  > 2) One could like to have configurable left/right alignment, even  
  > combinable with column width, e. g.
  >
  > | <l10>      | <r>       |
  > | 3.14       |      0x10 |
  > | 3.141592=> | 0x32 0x10 |
  >
  >
  > 3) One could like to have decimal point alignment
  >
  > |   432.10 |
  > | 5'432.1  |
  >
  >
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• * Re: a few suggestions for org-mode table
    2009-06-19 15:29 a few suggestions for org-mode table Michael Brand
    2009-06-21  6:16 ` Carsten Dominik
  @ 2009-06-21  6:18 ` Carsten Dominik
    2009-06-22  6:14 ` Carsten Dominik
    2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
  From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-06-21  6:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
  
  
  On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
  
  > 1) I would like to have the fixed width columns in tables to be able  
  > to wrap around text as an alternative to the now implemented text  
  > truncation. As a "workaround" I use this:
  >
  > | x | first letter  |
  > | y | the greek     |
  > |   | \ letter      |
  > |   | \ ypsilon     |
  > |   | z still empty |
  > | t | x, y, z and t |
  >
  > This is almost perfect except the real pain for the manual rewrap  
  > when changing the text. The difficulty I see here is to define, how  
  > do I want to indicate the top and bottom edge and width of the cell?  
  > Probably by padding the separators +---+---+ and defining the column  
  > width <9> if they are not already there. But since I would like to  
  > optionally remove the separators again after the change, it would be  
  > necessary to have some indentation like I did with `\ ' and which  
  > should not conflict with alignment.
  >
  >
  > 2) One could like to have configurable left/right alignment, even  
  > combinable with column width, e. g.
  >
  > | <l10>      | <r>       |
  > | 3.14       |      0x10 |
  > | 3.141592=> | 0x32 0x10 |
  
  This is an excellent idea.
  
  > 3) One could like to have decimal point alignment
  >
  > |   432.10 |
  > | 5'432.1  |
  
  Hmm, yes, would be nice, but maybe a bit hard.  I'll put it on my list.
  
  - Carsten
  
  ^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread

• * Re: a few suggestions for org-mode table
    2009-06-19 15:29 a few suggestions for org-mode table Michael Brand
    2009-06-21  6:16 ` Carsten Dominik
    2009-06-21  6:18 ` Carsten Dominik
  @ 2009-06-22  6:14 ` Carsten Dominik
    2009-08-19 20:51   ` a few suggestions for org-mode table, bug report Michael Brand
    2 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
  From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-06-22  6:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
    To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
  
  
  On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
  >
  > 2) One could like to have configurable left/right alignment, even  
  > combinable with column width, e. g.
  >
  > | <l10>      | <r>       |
  > | 3.14       |      0x10 |
  > | 3.141592=> | 0x32 0x10 |
  
  This is now implemented, thanks for the nice idea.
  
  >
  >
  > 3) One could like to have decimal point alignment
  >
  > |   432.10 |
  > | 5'432.1  |
  
  
  Implementing this into the current system would be significant work.
  As an alternative, try a formula to that maps a column onto itself,
  with a format specifier:
  
  $2=$2;f.3
  
  or something like this..............
  
  - Carsten
  
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• • * Re: a few suggestions for org-mode table, bug report
      2009-06-22  6:14 ` Carsten Dominik
    @ 2009-08-19 20:51   ` Michael Brand
      2009-08-20  6:47     ` Carsten Dominik
      0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
    From: Michael Brand @ 2009-08-19 20:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
      To: emacs-orgmode
    
    Carsten Dominik wrote:
    > 
    > On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
    >>
    >> 2) One could like to have configurable left/right alignment, even 
    >> combinable with column width, e. g.
    >>
    >> | <l10>      | <r>       |
    >> | 3.14       |      0x10 |
    >> | 3.141592=> | 0x32 0x10 |
    > 
    > This is now implemented, thanks for the nice idea.
    
    Thank you very much for this implementation.
    
    
    I stress-tested it for my own documentation and found a minor flaw which someone might be interested to fix someday/maybe: With the raw input of
    
    | <l8>     |       <r11> |
    | 3.14     |   0x10 0x00 |
    | 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 | 0x40 0x30 0x20 |
    
    and after aligning I get displayed
    
    | <l8>     |       <r11> |
    | 3.14     |   0x10 0x00 |
    | 3.1415=> | 0x40 0x30=> |
    
    with org-version 6.29c on "GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-30 on SOFT-MJASON" but would expect
    
    | <l8>     |       <r11> |
    | 3.14     |   0x10 0x00 |
    | 3.1415=> | <=0x30 0x20 |
    
    The same applies analogously without `l' and `r'.
    
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  • • * Re: a few suggestions for org-mode table, bug report
        2009-08-19 20:51   ` a few suggestions for org-mode table, bug report Michael Brand
      @ 2009-08-20  6:47     ` Carsten Dominik
        0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
      From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-08-20  6:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
        To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
      
      
      On Aug 19, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
      
      > Carsten Dominik wrote:
      >> On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
      >>>
      >>> 2) One could like to have configurable left/right alignment, even  
      >>> combinable with column width, e. g.
      >>>
      >>> | <l10>      | <r>       |
      >>> | 3.14       |      0x10 |
      >>> | 3.141592=> | 0x32 0x10 |
      >> This is now implemented, thanks for the nice idea.
      >
      > Thank you very much for this implementation.
      >
      >
      > I stress-tested it for my own documentation and found a minor flaw  
      > which someone might be interested to fix someday/maybe: With the raw  
      > input of
      >
      > | <l8>     |       <r11> |
      > | 3.14     |   0x10 0x00 |
      > | 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 | 0x40 0x30 0x20 |
      >
      > and after aligning I get displayed
      >
      > | <l8>     |       <r11> |
      > | 3.14     |   0x10 0x00 |
      > | 3.1415=> | 0x40 0x30=> |
      >
      > with org-version 6.29c on "GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)  
      > of 2009-07-30 on SOFT-MJASON" but would expect
      >
      > | <l8>     |       <r11> |
      > | 3.14     |   0x10 0x00 |
      > | 3.1415=> | <=0x30 0x20 |
      
      
      Naah, too much trouble for little gain.
      
      - Carsten
      
      >
      > The same applies analogously without `l' and `r'.
      >
      >
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