* a few suggestions for org-mode table
@ 2009-06-19 15:29 Michael Brand
2009-06-21 6:16 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Michael Brand @ 2009-06-19 15:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
1) I would like to have the fixed width columns in tables to be able to wrap around text as an alternative to the now implemented text truncation. As a "workaround" I use this:
| x | first letter |
| y | the greek |
| | \ letter |
| | \ ypsilon |
| | z still empty |
| t | x, y, z and t |
This is almost perfect except the real pain for the manual rewrap when changing the text. The difficulty I see here is to define, how do I want to indicate the top and bottom edge and width of the cell? Probably by padding the separators +---+---+ and defining the column width <9> if they are not already there. But since I would like to optionally remove the separators again after the change, it would be necessary to have some indentation like I did with `\ ' and which should not conflict with alignment.
2) One could like to have configurable left/right alignment, even combinable with column width, e. g.
| <l10> | <r> |
| 3.14 | 0x10 |
| 3.141592=> | 0x32 0x10 |
3) One could like to have decimal point alignment
| 432.10 |
| 5'432.1 |
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* Re: a few suggestions for org-mode table
2009-06-19 15:29 a few suggestions for org-mode table Michael Brand
@ 2009-06-21 6:16 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-06-21 6:18 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-06-22 6:14 ` Carsten Dominik
2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-06-21 6:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Hi Michael,
Org-mode tables are single line per row, and this will
not change, I am quite sure - there are too many problems
associated with this.
Interestingly enough, there was a time when I wanted to have
this as well, and there is even a command in Org where you can
wrap a couple of lines in a table by selecting text from
"the greek" to "empty" and calling `M-x org-table-wrap-region'.
However, this is not a good solution, because it does not work
correctly with the exporters.
A much better solution is to write all that text into one line
and use <N>, for example <20> in the same column in another row
to restrict the width of this column for display. You can mark this
row with "/" in the first, special column to make sure that it will
not appear in export.
Finally, for export, you can then use attributes to make this
column format as a narrow block.
Here is an example tuned for for LaTeX:
#+ATTR_LaTeX: align=|l|p{2cm}|
| / | | <20> |
| | x | first letter |
| | y | the greek letter ypsilon z still empty |
| | t | x, y, z and t |
| | | |
HTH
- Carsten
On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
> 1) I would like to have the fixed width columns in tables to be able
> to wrap around text as an alternative to the now implemented text
> truncation. As a "workaround" I use this:
>
> | x | first letter |
> | y | the greek |
> | | \ letter |
> | | \ ypsilon |
> | | z still empty |
> | t | x, y, z and t |
>
> This is almost perfect except the real pain for the manual rewrap
> when changing the text. The difficulty I see here is to define, how
> do I want to indicate the top and bottom edge and width of the cell?
> Probably by padding the separators +---+---+ and defining the column
> width <9> if they are not already there. But since I would like to
> optionally remove the separators again after the change, it would be
> necessary to have some indentation like I did with `\ ' and which
> should not conflict with alignment.
>
>
> 2) One could like to have configurable left/right alignment, even
> combinable with column width, e. g.
>
> | <l10> | <r> |
> | 3.14 | 0x10 |
> | 3.141592=> | 0x32 0x10 |
>
>
> 3) One could like to have decimal point alignment
>
> | 432.10 |
> | 5'432.1 |
>
>
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* Re: a few suggestions for org-mode table
2009-06-19 15:29 a few suggestions for org-mode table Michael Brand
2009-06-21 6:16 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2009-06-21 6:18 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-06-22 6:14 ` Carsten Dominik
2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-06-21 6:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
> 1) I would like to have the fixed width columns in tables to be able
> to wrap around text as an alternative to the now implemented text
> truncation. As a "workaround" I use this:
>
> | x | first letter |
> | y | the greek |
> | | \ letter |
> | | \ ypsilon |
> | | z still empty |
> | t | x, y, z and t |
>
> This is almost perfect except the real pain for the manual rewrap
> when changing the text. The difficulty I see here is to define, how
> do I want to indicate the top and bottom edge and width of the cell?
> Probably by padding the separators +---+---+ and defining the column
> width <9> if they are not already there. But since I would like to
> optionally remove the separators again after the change, it would be
> necessary to have some indentation like I did with `\ ' and which
> should not conflict with alignment.
>
>
> 2) One could like to have configurable left/right alignment, even
> combinable with column width, e. g.
>
> | <l10> | <r> |
> | 3.14 | 0x10 |
> | 3.141592=> | 0x32 0x10 |
This is an excellent idea.
> 3) One could like to have decimal point alignment
>
> | 432.10 |
> | 5'432.1 |
Hmm, yes, would be nice, but maybe a bit hard. I'll put it on my list.
- Carsten
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* Re: a few suggestions for org-mode table
2009-06-19 15:29 a few suggestions for org-mode table Michael Brand
2009-06-21 6:16 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-06-21 6:18 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2009-06-22 6:14 ` Carsten Dominik
2009-08-19 20:51 ` a few suggestions for org-mode table, bug report Michael Brand
2 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-06-22 6:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
>
> 2) One could like to have configurable left/right alignment, even
> combinable with column width, e. g.
>
> | <l10> | <r> |
> | 3.14 | 0x10 |
> | 3.141592=> | 0x32 0x10 |
This is now implemented, thanks for the nice idea.
>
>
> 3) One could like to have decimal point alignment
>
> | 432.10 |
> | 5'432.1 |
Implementing this into the current system would be significant work.
As an alternative, try a formula to that maps a column onto itself,
with a format specifier:
$2=$2;f.3
or something like this..............
- Carsten
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* Re: a few suggestions for org-mode table, bug report
2009-06-22 6:14 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2009-08-19 20:51 ` Michael Brand
2009-08-20 6:47 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Michael Brand @ 2009-08-19 20:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Carsten Dominik wrote:
>
> On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
>>
>> 2) One could like to have configurable left/right alignment, even
>> combinable with column width, e. g.
>>
>> | <l10> | <r> |
>> | 3.14 | 0x10 |
>> | 3.141592=> | 0x32 0x10 |
>
> This is now implemented, thanks for the nice idea.
Thank you very much for this implementation.
I stress-tested it for my own documentation and found a minor flaw which someone might be interested to fix someday/maybe: With the raw input of
| <l8> | <r11> |
| 3.14 | 0x10 0x00 |
| 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 | 0x40 0x30 0x20 |
and after aligning I get displayed
| <l8> | <r11> |
| 3.14 | 0x10 0x00 |
| 3.1415=> | 0x40 0x30=> |
with org-version 6.29c on "GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-30 on SOFT-MJASON" but would expect
| <l8> | <r11> |
| 3.14 | 0x10 0x00 |
| 3.1415=> | <=0x30 0x20 |
The same applies analogously without `l' and `r'.
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* Re: a few suggestions for org-mode table, bug report
2009-08-19 20:51 ` a few suggestions for org-mode table, bug report Michael Brand
@ 2009-08-20 6:47 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-08-20 6:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Brand; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Aug 19, 2009, at 9:51 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>> On Jun 19, 2009, at 5:29 PM, Michael Brand wrote:
>>>
>>> 2) One could like to have configurable left/right alignment, even
>>> combinable with column width, e. g.
>>>
>>> | <l10> | <r> |
>>> | 3.14 | 0x10 |
>>> | 3.141592=> | 0x32 0x10 |
>> This is now implemented, thanks for the nice idea.
>
> Thank you very much for this implementation.
>
>
> I stress-tested it for my own documentation and found a minor flaw
> which someone might be interested to fix someday/maybe: With the raw
> input of
>
> | <l8> | <r11> |
> | 3.14 | 0x10 0x00 |
> | 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 | 0x40 0x30 0x20 |
>
> and after aligning I get displayed
>
> | <l8> | <r11> |
> | 3.14 | 0x10 0x00 |
> | 3.1415=> | 0x40 0x30=> |
>
> with org-version 6.29c on "GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
> of 2009-07-30 on SOFT-MJASON" but would expect
>
> | <l8> | <r11> |
> | 3.14 | 0x10 0x00 |
> | 3.1415=> | <=0x30 0x20 |
Naah, too much trouble for little gain.
- Carsten
>
> The same applies analogously without `l' and `r'.
>
>
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