Re: How you can help

From: Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de>
Cc: emacs-orgmode List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: How you can help
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:24:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <490042B4.1010303@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4246E1BD-91A3-4230-925A-3F812C4C3AB2@uva.nl>

Should we put a page on worg by this name (see subject of this
thread)? We could show, how to turn on debugging, write a good bug
report, link to good elisp tutorials and describe how to use the elisp
debugger in emacs for simple debugging.

If no one stops me, I'll do it these days. As or me, a page like that
would be helpfull. I'll be back for report - maybe one of the lisp
freaks could add some details later on?

Regards,

   Sebastian

Carsten Dominik wrote:
> Hi Org users,
> 
> I need to get control over the time I spent on developing
> Org-mode.  Recently, I have again worked too hard on it, spending
> more time than I should, in order to get 6.9 and 6.10 out and to
> seize the chance to get the best possible version into Emacs
> 23.1.
> 
> However, this is getting out of control, and I am now putting
> myself a hard limit of 1 hour per day, clocked by Org-mode, which
> will clearly cut in on my development speed and posting rate.
> 
> Here is how you can help me to make the most of that one hour.
> 
> 1. If you report a bug, please try to do as much work as you can
>    yourself.  Before you send it, think if you have collected all
>    the information you can.  There are great examples of good bug
>    reports on the list already.  The best bug reports are, of
>    course, those that are accompanied by a patch.
> 
> 2. If you are reading the list and see bug reports, consider
>    putting in 10 minutes, trying to reproduce this problem
>    yourself, and maybe adding information that might be useful
>    for me to track down that bug.  Again, this is already
>    happening, I am only trying to encourage this type of
>    behavior.
> 
> 3. I have recently spent much time on fixing bugs in parts of Org
>    that I did not write myself, so this is taking much more time
>    than usually.  If you know Emacs Lisp, and I know there are a
>    number of excellent Lisp programmers on this group, consider
>    "adopting" one of the following subsystems.  By "adoption", I
>    mean that you make it your mission to deeply understand this
>    part of Org, so that *you* will be in the position to fix
>    bugs, taking that off my shoulders.
> 
>    - org-publish.el.  I think the biggest bugs are out now, but I
>      am sure this system can be improved quite a bit.  If you are
>      that Lisp programmer trying to take up this task, consider
>      teaming up with Sebastian Rose who is a great guy, has quite
>      some understanding of that system and good ideas about it,
>      but just is not enough of a Lisp programmer to really take
>      that on.
> 
>    - org-export-latex.el.  This is a tough one because you need
>      to know both LaTeX and Lisp.  And the code is complex, in
>      part because Org-mode allows to write LaTeX is a relatively
>      lazy way.  Bastien has done a great great job capturing this
>      into an exporter.  However, there are still problems and
>      bugs, some came up recently on the list.  And Bastien
>      currently does not have the time to contribute consistently.
>      As a result, I have started to fix some bugs, but this is
>      really eating too much of my time.  This subsystem can also
>      use feature additions, for example better handling of image
>      insertion, maybe with captions.  I have ideas about this, so
>      talk to me if you want to help out.
> 
> 4. Try to answer as many messages on the mailing list as you can.
>    I have been trying hard to make sure that each and every
>    reasonable question on the list (and this is really the only
>    kind we get in this amazing community) will be answered.
>    Doing this still takes a significant fraction of my Org-mode
>    development time.  I will clearly spend less time on this in
>    the future, in this way also giving others more time to
>    answer.  Again, there are already quite a few people who
>    regularly *answer* questions, and all I am trying to do here
>    is encouraging this activity.
> 
> 5. Help developing the Org-mode FAQ by adding useful information
>    to it yourself.  All you need to do is to get acces to Worg,
>    which will help getting to know git in the process.  Worg is
>    meant to be user edited, so please go wild and add information
>    and links at will.
> 
> Thanks to you all, for your understanding and help.
> 
> - Carsten
> 
> 
> 
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