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* footnote bug
@ 2009-03-26 20:21 Samuel Wales
  2009-03-30 15:38 ` Carsten Dominik
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Samuel Wales @ 2009-03-26 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

The following source produces the following output.

************* sorting speed
>> The agenda is wonderful for other stuff, but for me it is
>> not an editing mode per se.  I have never been able to use
>> the agenda for full control over the org file, as some
>> people are able to do.  For me (at least on my computer) it
>> is slow.
>
> What is "slow".  Maybe we can improve things?

You could use cached values for agenda files whose last
update time is earlier than the last agenda scan.  That
could lead to significant speedups for people who have
several agenda files.[fn:15]

[fn:15] It wouldn't help with people who have a single
agenda file, and it wouldn't help with people who very
frequently use all of their agenda files.  For those use
cases, something much more complicated and brittle would
probably be necessary


Output:

You could use cached values for agenda files whose last
update time is earlier than the last agenda scan.  That
could lead to significant speedups for people who have
several agenda files.[1]
[fn:15] It wouldn't help with people who have a single
agenda file, and it wouldn't help with people who very
frequently use all of their agenda files.  For those use
cases, something much more complicated and brittle would
probably be necessary
[1] [fn:15]

-- 
Myalgic encephalomyelitis denialism is causing death (decades early;
Jason et al. 2006) and severe suffering (worse than nearly all other
diseases studied; e.g. Schweitzer et al. 1995) and grossly corrupting
science.  http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm

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* Re: footnote bug
  2009-03-26 20:21 footnote bug Samuel Wales
@ 2009-03-30 15:38 ` Carsten Dominik
  2009-04-02  5:53   ` Samuel Wales
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-03-30 15:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Samuel Wales; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Samuel,

caching stuff for the agenda would mean rewriting the agenda code.

Do you have more detailed pointers what operations exactly are slow?
Maybe we can profile and improve these without resorting to cacheing.

- Carsten

On Mar 26, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Samuel Wales wrote:

> The following source produces the following output.
>
> ************* sorting speed
>>> The agenda is wonderful for other stuff, but for me it is
>>> not an editing mode per se.  I have never been able to use
>>> the agenda for full control over the org file, as some
>>> people are able to do.  For me (at least on my computer) it
>>> is slow.
>>
>> What is "slow".  Maybe we can improve things?
>
> You could use cached values for agenda files whose last
> update time is earlier than the last agenda scan.  That
> could lead to significant speedups for people who have
> several agenda files.[fn:15]
>
> [fn:15] It wouldn't help with people who have a single
> agenda file, and it wouldn't help with people who very
> frequently use all of their agenda files.  For those use
> cases, something much more complicated and brittle would
> probably be necessary
>
>
> Output:
>
> You could use cached values for agenda files whose last
> update time is earlier than the last agenda scan.  That
> could lead to significant speedups for people who have
> several agenda files.[1]
> [fn:15] It wouldn't help with people who have a single
> agenda file, and it wouldn't help with people who very
> frequently use all of their agenda files.  For those use
> cases, something much more complicated and brittle would
> probably be necessary
> [1] [fn:15]
>
> -- 
> Myalgic encephalomyelitis denialism is causing death (decades early;
> Jason et al. 2006) and severe suffering (worse than nearly all other
> diseases studied; e.g. Schweitzer et al. 1995) and grossly corrupting
> science.  http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm
>
>
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> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode

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* Re: footnote bug
  2009-03-30 15:38 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2009-04-02  5:53   ` Samuel Wales
  2009-04-02  7:06     ` Carsten Dominik
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Samuel Wales @ 2009-04-02  5:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Hi Carsten,

I figured that you had already optimized the agenda quite a lot and
that there probably wasn't much that could be done, so I suggested the
only thing that seemed like it might be fast and would not be too
brittle.  I didn't realize the code would need to be rewritten.

For me, everything in the agenda is slow that requires refreshing or
creating a view.  I don't know how to be more specific.


On 2009-03-30, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Samuel,
>
> caching stuff for the agenda would mean rewriting the agenda code.
>
> Do you have more detailed pointers what operations exactly are slow?
> Maybe we can profile and improve these without resorting to cacheing.
>
> - Carsten
>
> On Mar 26, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Samuel Wales wrote:
>
>> The following source produces the following output.
>>
>> ************* sorting speed
>>>> The agenda is wonderful for other stuff, but for me it is
>>>> not an editing mode per se.  I have never been able to use
>>>> the agenda for full control over the org file, as some
>>>> people are able to do.  For me (at least on my computer) it
>>>> is slow.
>>>
>>> What is "slow".  Maybe we can improve things?
>>
>> You could use cached values for agenda files whose last
>> update time is earlier than the last agenda scan.  That
>> could lead to significant speedups for people who have
>> several agenda files.[fn:15]
>>
>> [fn:15] It wouldn't help with people who have a single
>> agenda file, and it wouldn't help with people who very
>> frequently use all of their agenda files.  For those use
>> cases, something much more complicated and brittle would
>> probably be necessary
>>
>>
>> Output:
>>
>> You could use cached values for agenda files whose last
>> update time is earlier than the last agenda scan.  That
>> could lead to significant speedups for people who have
>> several agenda files.[1]
>> [fn:15] It wouldn't help with people who have a single
>> agenda file, and it wouldn't help with people who very
>> frequently use all of their agenda files.  For those use
>> cases, something much more complicated and brittle would
>> probably be necessary
>> [1] [fn:15]
>>
>> --
>> Myalgic encephalomyelitis denialism is causing death (decades early;
>> Jason et al. 2006) and severe suffering (worse than nearly all other
>> diseases studied; e.g. Schweitzer et al. 1995) and grossly corrupting
>> science.  http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
>


-- 
Myalgic encephalomyelitis denialism is causing death (decades early;
Jason et al. 2006) and severe suffering (worse than nearly all other
diseases studied; e.g. Schweitzer et al. 1995) and grossly corrupting
science.  http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm

^ permalink raw reply	[flat|nested] 5+ messages in thread

* Re: footnote bug
  2009-04-02  5:53   ` Samuel Wales
@ 2009-04-02  7:06     ` Carsten Dominik
  2009-04-06  4:50       ` Samuel Wales
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2009-04-02  7:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Samuel Wales; +Cc: emacs-orgmode


On Apr 2, 2009, at 7:53 AM, Samuel Wales wrote:

> Hi Carsten,
>
> I figured that you had already optimized the agenda quite a lot and
> that there probably wasn't much that could be done, so I suggested the
> only thing that seemed like it might be fast and would not be too
> brittle.  I didn't realize the code would need to be rewritten.
>
> For me, everything in the agenda is slow that requires refreshing or
> creating a view.  I don't know how to be more specific.

Hi Samuel,

does it make a noticeable difference when you turn off org-use-tag- 
inheritance ?

- Carsten

>
>
> On 2009-03-30, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Samuel,
>>
>> caching stuff for the agenda would mean rewriting the agenda code.
>>
>> Do you have more detailed pointers what operations exactly are slow?
>> Maybe we can profile and improve these without resorting to cacheing.
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2009, at 9:21 PM, Samuel Wales wrote:
>>
>>> The following source produces the following output.
>>>
>>> ************* sorting speed
>>>>> The agenda is wonderful for other stuff, but for me it is
>>>>> not an editing mode per se.  I have never been able to use
>>>>> the agenda for full control over the org file, as some
>>>>> people are able to do.  For me (at least on my computer) it
>>>>> is slow.
>>>>
>>>> What is "slow".  Maybe we can improve things?
>>>
>>> You could use cached values for agenda files whose last
>>> update time is earlier than the last agenda scan.  That
>>> could lead to significant speedups for people who have
>>> several agenda files.[fn:15]
>>>
>>> [fn:15] It wouldn't help with people who have a single
>>> agenda file, and it wouldn't help with people who very
>>> frequently use all of their agenda files.  For those use
>>> cases, something much more complicated and brittle would
>>> probably be necessary
>>>
>>>
>>> Output:
>>>
>>> You could use cached values for agenda files whose last
>>> update time is earlier than the last agenda scan.  That
>>> could lead to significant speedups for people who have
>>> several agenda files.[1]
>>> [fn:15] It wouldn't help with people who have a single
>>> agenda file, and it wouldn't help with people who very
>>> frequently use all of their agenda files.  For those use
>>> cases, something much more complicated and brittle would
>>> probably be necessary
>>> [1] [fn:15]
>>>
>>> --
>>> Myalgic encephalomyelitis denialism is causing death (decades early;
>>> Jason et al. 2006) and severe suffering (worse than nearly all other
>>> diseases studied; e.g. Schweitzer et al. 1995) and grossly  
>>> corrupting
>>> science.  http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Myalgic encephalomyelitis denialism is causing death (decades early;
> Jason et al. 2006) and severe suffering (worse than nearly all other
> diseases studied; e.g. Schweitzer et al. 1995) and grossly corrupting
> science.  http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm

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* Re: footnote bug
  2009-04-02  7:06     ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2009-04-06  4:50       ` Samuel Wales
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Samuel Wales @ 2009-04-06  4:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

> Hi Samuel,
>
> does it make a noticeable difference when you turn off
> org-use-tag-inheritance ?

Only slightly.  (And I use inheritance.)

-- 
Myalgic encephalomyelitis denialism is causing death (decades early;
Jason et al. 2006) and severe suffering (worse than nearly all other
diseases studied; e.g. Schweitzer et al. 1995) and grossly corrupting
science.  http://www.meactionuk.org.uk/What_Is_ME_What_Is_CFS.htm

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