* Feature in org-move-item-down
@ 2007-03-17 3:15 Mike Newman
2007-03-18 7:11 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Mike Newman @ 2007-03-17 3:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
It appears org-move-item-down treats blank lines as part of the
preceding list item (whereas I use them to separate a list from
subsequent text).
So given
- a test
- b test
- c test
test
with point on line b, M-x org-move-item-down gives
- a test
- c test
- b test
test
Thanks
--
Mike
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* Re: Feature in org-move-item-down
2007-03-17 3:15 Feature in org-move-item-down Mike Newman
@ 2007-03-18 7:11 ` Carsten Dominik
2007-03-19 3:26 ` Mike Newman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-03-18 7:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mike Newman; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Mar 17, 2007, at 4:15, Mike Newman wrote:
> It appears org-move-item-down treats blank lines as part of the
> preceding list item (whereas I use them to separate a list from
> subsequent text).
>
> So given
>
> - a test
> - b test
> - c test
>
> test
>
> with point on line b, M-x org-move-item-down gives
> - a test
> - c test
>
> - b test
> test
The problem with is this is following. Suppose I made the item end
before the
empty line, as you suggest. Then consider the following case:
- a test
- b test
- c test
If I now move "b" up, I get
- b test
- a test
- c test
I don't think there is a good solution to this problem - if you
know one, I would be interested.
- Carsten
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* Fwd: Feature in org-move-item-down
[not found] ` <b71b18520703182004s36dc1102ibef10f215b135fb0@mail.gmail.com>
@ 2007-03-19 3:22 ` Eddward DeVilla
2007-03-19 12:13 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Eddward DeVilla @ 2007-03-19 3:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Once again, it hit reply instead of reply-all.
Edd
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Eddward DeVilla <eddward@gmail.com>
Date: Mar 18, 2007 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Feature in org-move-item-down
To: Mike Newman <mike@newmanfamily.me.uk>
I sometimes have blank lines in list items. I have lists do
visibility cycling like headings and use them as light weight
headings. One thing I've found is that empty lines seem to be after
an item and not a part. Blank lines, with whitespace characters in
them seem to be a part of the item. I use it and tend to like it. I
need to turn on a setting to make such blank but not empty lines a
little easier to spot. If the behavior would change, I'd probably
need to change how I do thing and maybe use heading more.
Edd
On 3/18/07, Mike Newman <mike@newmanfamily.me.uk> wrote:
> The manual (section 2.8) says
>
> "Indentation also determines the end of a list item. It ends before the next line that is indented like the bullet/number, or less."
>
> I think that a blank line has 0 indentation, therefore (by this logic)
> it should end a list item. Clearly a blank line cannot start a list
> item, so it must end a list.
>
> I think the question is whether list items can contain blank lines.
> This may be established practice, but it was not what I was expecting.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:11:08 +0100
> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mar 17, 2007, at 4:15, Mike Newman wrote:
> >
> > > It appears org-move-item-down treats blank lines as part of the
> > > preceding list item (whereas I use them to separate a list from
> > > subsequent text).
> > >
> > > So given
> > >
> > > - a test
> > > - b test
> > > - c test
> > >
> > > test
> > >
> > > with point on line b, M-x org-move-item-down gives
> > > - a test
> > > - c test
> > >
> > > - b test
> > > test
> >
> >
> > The problem with is this is following. Suppose I made the item end
> > before the
> > empty line, as you suggest. Then consider the following case:
> >
> > - a test
> >
> > - b test
> >
> > - c test
> >
> > If I now move "b" up, I get
> >
> > - b test
> > - a test
> >
> >
> > - c test
> >
> > I don't think there is a good solution to this problem - if you
> > know one, I would be interested.
> >
> > - Carsten
> >
>
>
> --
> Mike
>
>
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* Re: Feature in org-move-item-down
2007-03-18 7:11 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2007-03-19 3:26 ` Mike Newman
[not found] ` <b71b18520703182004s36dc1102ibef10f215b135fb0@mail.gmail.com>
2007-03-19 5:20 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Mike Newman @ 2007-03-19 3:26 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
The manual (section 2.8) says
"Indentation also determines the end of a list item. It ends before the next line that is indented like the bullet/number, or less."
I think that a blank line has 0 indentation, therefore (by this logic)
it should end a list item. Clearly a blank line cannot start a list
item, so it must end a list.
I think the question is whether list items can contain blank lines.
This may be established practice, but it was not what I was expecting.
Thanks
Mike
On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:11:08 +0100
Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote:
>
> On Mar 17, 2007, at 4:15, Mike Newman wrote:
>
> > It appears org-move-item-down treats blank lines as part of the
> > preceding list item (whereas I use them to separate a list from
> > subsequent text).
> >
> > So given
> >
> > - a test
> > - b test
> > - c test
> >
> > test
> >
> > with point on line b, M-x org-move-item-down gives
> > - a test
> > - c test
> >
> > - b test
> > test
>
>
> The problem with is this is following. Suppose I made the item end
> before the
> empty line, as you suggest. Then consider the following case:
>
> - a test
>
> - b test
>
> - c test
>
> If I now move "b" up, I get
>
> - b test
> - a test
>
>
> - c test
>
> I don't think there is a good solution to this problem - if you
> know one, I would be interested.
>
> - Carsten
>
--
Mike
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* Re: Feature in org-move-item-down
2007-03-19 3:26 ` Mike Newman
[not found] ` <b71b18520703182004s36dc1102ibef10f215b135fb0@mail.gmail.com>
@ 2007-03-19 5:20 ` Carsten Dominik
2007-03-19 7:37 ` Bastien
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From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-03-19 5:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mike Newman; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Mar 19, 2007, at 4:26, Mike Newman wrote:
> The manual (section 2.8) says
>
> "Indentation also determines the end of a list item. It ends before
> the next line that is indented like the bullet/number, or less."
Yes, you are right, I am treating an empty line as a line with a large
indentation.
Suppose I did what you suggest, treating it as a line with no
indentation:
- one
- two
- two a
- two b
- two c
- three
Now "- three" will not be treated as third item in the list
started by "- one", but it will be starting a new list...
Whatever I do, this is very fragile, and I would have to require
to never put any empty line between items. What we have
now is at least stable. I agree that making empty lines
always close all levels of items would be another stable
implementation. Hmmmmmm.
- Carsten
>
> I think that a blank line has 0 indentation, therefore (by this logic)
> it should end a list item. Clearly a blank line cannot start a list
> item, so it must end a list.
>
> I think the question is whether list items can contain blank lines.
> This may be established practice, but it was not what I was expecting.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:11:08 +0100
> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2007, at 4:15, Mike Newman wrote:
>>
>>> It appears org-move-item-down treats blank lines as part of the
>>> preceding list item (whereas I use them to separate a list from
>>> subsequent text).
>>>
>>> So given
>>>
>>> - a test
>>> - b test
>>> - c test
>>>
>>> test
>>>
>>> with point on line b, M-x org-move-item-down gives
>>> - a test
>>> - c test
>>>
>>> - b test
>>> test
>>
>>
>> The problem with is this is following. Suppose I made the item end
>> before the
>> empty line, as you suggest. Then consider the following case:
>>
>> - a test
>>
>> - b test
>>
>> - c test
>>
>> If I now move "b" up, I get
>>
>> - b test
>> - a test
>>
>>
>> - c test
>>
>> I don't think there is a good solution to this problem - if you
>> know one, I would be interested.
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>
>
> --
> Mike
>
>
--
Carsten Dominik
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Universiteit van Amsterdam
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* Re: Feature in org-move-item-down
2007-03-19 5:20 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2007-03-19 7:37 ` Bastien
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Bastien @ 2007-03-19 7:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
> I agree that making empty lines always close all levels of items would
> be another stable implementation. Hmmmmmm.
I think the current implementation is okay, leaving the possibility for
list items to contain empty lines. Great for long list items, and more
publishing-oriented org files.
Regards,
--
Bastien
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* Re: Feature in org-move-item-down
2007-03-19 3:22 ` Fwd: " Eddward DeVilla
@ 2007-03-19 12:13 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-03-19 12:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eddward DeVilla; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Mar 19, 2007, at 4:22, Eddward DeVilla wrote:
> Once again, it hit reply instead of reply-all.
>
> Edd
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Eddward DeVilla <eddward@gmail.com>
> Date: Mar 18, 2007 10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Feature in org-move-item-down
> To: Mike Newman <mike@newmanfamily.me.uk>
>
>
> I sometimes have blank lines in list items. I have lists do
> visibility cycling like headings and use them as light weight
> headings. One thing I've found is that empty lines seem to be after
> an item and not a part. Blank lines, with whitespace characters in
> them seem to be a part of the item.
If at all, this may make a difference in visibility cycling (and
then only in Emacs 21), certainly not in the items.
- Carsten
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