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From: Vikas Rawal <vikasrawal@gmail.com>
To: rms@gnu.org
Cc: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>, Bastien <bzg@gnu.org>,
	c.buhtz@posteo.jp, org-mode mailing list <Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2022 21:53:07 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALtzAB0fDdx1=wwEt=QD73KAUrozVR9g4h_32ORGKAedC1W_+A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1o7TsS-000106-MH@fencepost.gnu.org>

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>   > Bank uses free software on their system?
>
> I suppose that would depend on the bank.  It's the bank's affair.
> If the bank's software is free, the bank enjoys freedom.
> Otherwise, the nonfree software denies the bank freedom.
>
> Either way, it has no effect on us.  We are not running that software,
> so it does not deny us our freedom.
>
> I would advise any bank to insist on free software, but if it doesn't
> listen, that is the bank's loss, not ours.  I feel sorry for the bank
> for this error, but that is not a reason to boycott it.
>
>
It is amusing that you talk of a bank as if it was a person. I don't know
what it even means when you say that a bank may or may not enjoy freedom.

More seriously, it is peculiar that you do not see anything problematic in
promoting businesses of entities who rely on non-free software for their
business. Are you, in turn, not promoting non-free software then? A part of
profit the bank makes by doing business with you is shared with companies
making non-free software.



>   > Or are we to merely shift to services where nonfree software runs on
>   > somebody else's computer?
>
> Who is morally responsible for running the nonfree software is the
> most important question, but you dismiss that as an insignificant
> detail.
>

I have done no such thing, and I don't see why you should ascribe
indifference to moral issues to me. That said, I could argue quite the
opposite: that by your argument, your moral responsibility seems to end at
what software runs on your computer. There is no moral responsibility for
anything else.


>   > Go to an internet kiosk and make the payment?
>
> That is a fune way way.  However, I usually mail a check instead.  It
> doesn't require me to run any nonfree software (it doesn't use
> software at all), and I can do it from home.
>

I find this absurd. You are welcome to do what you like, and to believe
that this is somehow morally superior.

I don't see this discussion leading to anything if it is only about
personal preferences and views.

V.

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-02 16:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-25 11:29 Communication problems and possible problems with the website c.buhtz
2022-02-25 12:20 ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2022-02-25 12:25 ` Russell Adams
2022-02-25 12:38   ` c.buhtz
2022-02-25 13:12     ` Russell Adams
2022-02-25 12:57   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-26  9:09     ` Bastien
2022-02-25 12:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-25 12:48   ` c.buhtz
2022-02-25 14:18     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-25 14:24       ` c.buhtz
2022-02-25 15:08         ` Russell Adams
2022-02-26  9:19           ` Bastien
2022-02-25 15:14         ` Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github (was: Communication problems and possible problems with the website) Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-25 15:38           ` Michael Powe
2022-02-25 17:39           ` Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github Bastien Guerry
2022-02-26  5:50             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-26  8:57               ` Bastien
2022-02-26 15:18                 ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27 17:18                   ` Bastien Guerry
2022-02-27 17:32                     ` Neil Jerram
2022-02-27  4:11                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-02-27 17:57                   ` Bastien
2022-02-27  4:43                 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2022-03-20 11:27                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-03-21  1:22                     ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2022-02-27 11:29                 ` Max Nikulin
2022-02-27 12:58                   ` Timothy
2022-02-27 14:25                     ` Michael Powe
2022-03-20  6:31                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-18  1:29                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-18  9:51                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-18 14:31                   ` Bastien
2022-06-19 15:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-06-20  0:13                     ` briangpowell
2022-06-20  1:22                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-20  2:11                       ` briangpowell
2022-06-20  2:35                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-27  3:43                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-06-27 10:11                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-28  3:25                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-06-28  3:35                             ` Vikas Rawal
2022-07-02  3:33                               ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-02 16:23                                 ` Vikas Rawal [this message]
2022-07-04  3:39                                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-04  4:32                                     ` Timothy
2022-07-04 12:38                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-04 17:48                                         ` Michael Powe
2022-07-06  2:50                                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-06 14:42                                           ` Hendursaga
2022-07-08  3:33                                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-08  4:32                                               ` Tim Cross
2022-07-08  4:48                                               ` tomas
2022-07-08  5:25                                               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-07-11  3:16                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-11  4:37                                                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-06-28  7:02                             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-06-28  8:23                               ` Tim Cross
2022-06-30  3:09                               ` Richard Stallman
2022-06-30 18:21                                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-07-01  3:34                                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-01  3:53                                     ` Tim Cross
2022-07-01 17:54                                       ` Michael Powe
2022-07-01 18:42                                         ` Samuel Banya
2022-07-02 17:02                                       ` Jeremie Juste
2022-07-01  3:59                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-02  3:32                                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-02  3:56                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-02  7:52                                           ` Thomas Dye
2022-07-02  8:43                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-02 16:45                                               ` Thomas S. Dye
2022-07-04 12:31                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-05  3:01                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-05  3:34                                                   ` Tim Cross
2022-07-05  8:45                                                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-07-06  2:52                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-06  7:15                                                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-07-07  7:25                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-06 17:55                                                   ` Thomas S. Dye
2022-07-07  9:53                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-07 16:02                                                       ` Thomas S. Dye
2022-06-27 22:42                         ` Tom Gillespie
2022-06-27 23:42                           ` Tim Cross
2022-06-28  1:46                             ` Michael Powe
2022-06-28  1:54                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-28 19:48                                 ` Michael Powe
2022-06-28  2:29                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-03 23:31                       ` Jean Louis
2022-07-04  0:11                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-26  8:21             ` c.buhtz
2022-02-26  9:05               ` Bastien
2022-02-26  9:13         ` Communication problems and possible problems with the website Bastien
2022-02-25 14:26     ` Russell Adams
2022-02-26  8:58 ` Bastien
2022-02-26 15:16   ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27  6:56     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-27 17:17       ` Bastien Guerry
2022-02-27 18:25         ` Tim Cross
2022-02-27 23:15           ` Timothy
2022-02-28 13:51         ` c.buhtz
2022-03-20  6:44         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-27 17:10     ` Bastien
     [not found] <621b1e76.1c69fb81.2121d.679b@mx.google.com>
2022-02-28  5:41 ` Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github Richard Stallman
2022-02-28 15:06   ` Michael Powe

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