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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org Sender: "Emacs-orgmode" X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_IN X-Migadu-To: larch@yhetil.org X-Migadu-Country: US ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yhetil.org; s=key1; t=1656779086; h=from:from:sender:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type:in-reply-to:in-reply-to: references:references:list-id:list-help:list-unsubscribe: list-subscribe:list-post:dkim-signature; bh=BqHyDXgh1q93jaL96HS5GoAZdOOozVJy+O1gZAirO7c=; b=JBknANveM94VZvySc79HJtSZFHyuOgdCwch3DYQhUaEoqf7NqirtB+h7BKdAFJOM0qIoh5 evfF12eZdkVQJ5KvfjuPlLqWyokPt0jEP998kmt1a5jQ9sFdQIJ4f4h+Q6gbMyJMH/RF8j dt+bBoyn7Tf5pMhJchjGY4iVQqYWXyV95IpvZEm67RSdVNXXgqwyHm3vVkza14vxdYdsxX UpQrVB1F+fkiojYHAYIOrxeBq5fPIjWUWNp9Cf/6Bzb3kUPwo/LJQIo/KaDRgbPGu9hMg+ FXZgtnzgj3jwEk4pYGze24kc0nrb3StuFTajvjBcDEQYBuYfbr60f2+IJa3fuw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=key1; d=yhetil.org; t=1656779086; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=n+9ZJaVV3WJPxqFEgzefntt7ChmQ4MBxaebO/5HhqkR6MaXQC2f43PIsdSn3P7+EanY3C1 qcndlhJ/JqmLJxQwrEGaEdHHbYHPuuOy4yGPhpbKoGMkvUayFZgXAvSiUWPOIU24Z9XYo/ HhGnNhFA3M6/3GC5AOHJ9Q+/50CTEn0tGBypKkg9BPDIeD01qhuIE5qmVFDyGzoF0eYJTk Uv7GLpziOPnvKV7X9Tgr1p16Btyn/FYulFXkNcmKKhsogbwuge1YJuVgkgJOiSUk72sFH8 /BpQYBnBAne5JL6xylP+kK0OFn4OtcPJ1K+HIN5nNkJ6TxXY9bF+Xl+Cuuot/A== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=LqPqKVEr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Spam-Score: -3.95 Authentication-Results: aspmx1.migadu.com; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=LqPqKVEr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (aspmx1.migadu.com: domain of "emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" designates 209.51.188.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom="emacs-orgmode-bounces+larch=yhetil.org@gnu.org" X-Migadu-Queue-Id: 841872588F X-Spam-Score: -3.95 X-Migadu-Scanner: scn0.migadu.com X-TUID: /sastBTUStRQ --000000000000b4358705e2d4eb70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Bank uses free software on their system? > > I suppose that would depend on the bank. It's the bank's affair. > If the bank's software is free, the bank enjoys freedom. > Otherwise, the nonfree software denies the bank freedom. > > Either way, it has no effect on us. We are not running that software, > so it does not deny us our freedom. > > I would advise any bank to insist on free software, but if it doesn't > listen, that is the bank's loss, not ours. I feel sorry for the bank > for this error, but that is not a reason to boycott it. > > It is amusing that you talk of a bank as if it was a person. I don't know what it even means when you say that a bank may or may not enjoy freedom. More seriously, it is peculiar that you do not see anything problematic in promoting businesses of entities who rely on non-free software for their business. Are you, in turn, not promoting non-free software then? A part of profit the bank makes by doing business with you is shared with companies making non-free software. > > Or are we to merely shift to services where nonfree software runs on > > somebody else's computer? > > Who is morally responsible for running the nonfree software is the > most important question, but you dismiss that as an insignificant > detail. > I have done no such thing, and I don't see why you should ascribe indifference to moral issues to me. That said, I could argue quite the opposite: that by your argument, your moral responsibility seems to end at what software runs on your computer. There is no moral responsibility for anything else. > > Go to an internet kiosk and make the payment? > > That is a fune way way. However, I usually mail a check instead. It > doesn't require me to run any nonfree software (it doesn't use > software at all), and I can do it from home. > I find this absurd. You are welcome to do what you like, and to believe that this is somehow morally superior. I don't see this discussion leading to anything if it is only about personal preferences and views. V. --000000000000b4358705e2d4eb70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=C2=A0 > Bank uses free so= ftware on their system?

I suppose that would depend on the bank.=C2=A0 It's the bank's affa= ir.
If the bank's software is free, the bank enjoys freedom.
Otherwise, the nonfree software denies the bank freedom.

Either way, it has no effect on us.=C2=A0 We are not running that software,=
so it does not deny us our freedom.

I would advise any bank to insist on free software, but if it doesn't listen, that is the bank's loss, not ours.=C2=A0 I feel sorry for the b= ank
for this error, but that is not a reason to boycott it.


It is amusing that you talk of a bank = as if it was a person. I don't know what it even means when you say tha= t a bank may or may not enjoy freedom.

More seriou= sly, it is peculiar that you do not see anything problematic in promoting b= usinesses of entities who rely on non-free software for their business. Are= you, in turn, not promoting non-free software then? A part of profit the b= ank makes by doing business with you is shared with companies making non-fr= ee software.

=C2=A0
=C2=A0 > Or are we to merely shift to services where nonfree software ru= ns on
=C2=A0 > somebody else's computer?

Who is morally responsible for running the nonfree software is the
most important question, but you dismiss that as an insignificant
detail.

I have done no such thing, and = I don't see why you should ascribe indifference to moral issues to me. = That said, I could argue quite the opposite: that by your argument, your mo= ral responsibility seems to end at what software runs on your computer. The= re is no moral responsibility for anything else.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 > Go to an internet kiosk and make the payment?

That is a fune way way.=C2=A0 However, I usually mail a check instead.=C2= =A0 It
doesn't require me to run any nonfree software (it doesn't use
software at all), and I can do it from home.
=C2=A0
I find this absurd. You are welcome to do what you like, and to bel= ieve that this is somehow morally superior.

I don&= #39;t see this discussion leading to anything if it is only about personal = preferences and views.

V.

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