Re: [wip-cite-new] Merging tomorrow?

[John Kitchin <jkitchin@andrew.cmu.edu>]

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My intuition is that crossrefs are separate from the citations. In org-ref,
they are separate link types like ref:xxx, pageref:xxx. eqref:xxx, etc.
They also use a different source of candidates than cites do.

John

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On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 7:16 AM Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 6:26 AM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Timothy <tecosaur@gmail.com> writes:
> >
> > > Bruce D'Arcus <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:
> > >
> > >>> wip-cite-new deals with citing from bibliographies, but I don't
> think it
> > >>> deals with within-document referencing --- should it?
> > >
> > >> 1. Should it?
> > >> 1. Maybe.
> > >
> > > I feel like it would fit. With everything that's been done for
> > > citations, this feels like it may be a rather minor addition (or at
> > > least this is what I hope).
> > >
> > >> 2. Can it? Could the design be extended to include internal
> referencing?
> > >> 2. I think so. You'd just need a way to include internal targets in
> > >> addition to the citation-references (keys); for illustration,
> > >> something like [cite:#some-if].
> > >
> > > I can't claim to have thought about this that much either, but
> something
> > > like [cite:#some-fig] would seem to fit.
> > >
> > >> 3. If yes to both, should that hold back merger now?
> > >> 3. No.
> > >
> > > I don't think this should hold up the merge either, but it's relevant
> in
> > > the overall nature of the feature and perhaps could be shoehorned in
> > > following the merge? I feel like this is one small quite simple case
> and
> > > most of the thinking required has already been done. I'm not sure
> > > though, I'd go with whatever Nic's thought are on this.
> >
> > At this point, I don't have enough understanding of the problem to have
> > an opinion. IIUC, your example does not even mention citations. How
> > should it be used, what should be the output in LaTeX, and in UTF-8
> > export? This is not clear to me.
> >
> > What can I say however is: if this feature implies to change, or extend,
> > syntax, then it is /de facto/ a blocker for the merge, and needs to be
> > sorted out.
>
> As I was hinting, I don't know this area well either.
>
> I think the first question is the "should" one; whether this is
> in-scope of this module.
>
> I wasn't sure, so said "maybe".
>
> Joost says "no."
>
> In latex, such internal references are not citations though; they use
> a different mechanism.
>
> Does that not suggest, Timothy, that this might be out-of-scope for
> this module; that Joost is right?
>
> Bruce
>
>

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