From: Jens Neuhalfen <jens@neuhalfen.name>
To: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
Cc: Org Mode List <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [wip-cite-new] Merging tomorrow?
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2021 09:56:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <BF880B41-03F0-45FA-BE87-0FD7DB3BF226@neuhalfen.name> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lf6hr74u.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
Hi Nicolas,
first: thank you for all the work, especially for thinking of documentation for end users. My biggest struggle with the current org (and emacs) documentation is the lack of end-to-end examples. This makes it incredibly difficult to get things working. It often is like „this is a big puzzle, some pieces are in other boxes and we don’t provide a picture of how the final puzzle will look like“. The documentation often makes sense once I get it running, though . But this is to late.
This being the motivation, I would greatly appreciate the following:
——— snip ———-
Consider the following minimal viable example where an org file with one bibtex file is rendered to pdf and html.
This is the BibTex file
#+begin_example bibtex
….
#+end_example
This is the org file
#+begin_example org
….
#+end_example
and this is the rendered html/Latex
- picture 1
- screenshot 2
This has been achieved with the following minimal configuration:
#+begin_example elisp
….
#+end_example
As you can see in line 42 the … etc, etc
If you would like to use two bibtex files you would need to change …
#+begin_example elisp
….
; change line 14 in the sample for one file like this:
(…)
…
#+end_example
——- snap ——-
That kind of documentation would have made many, many hours of frustrating „search in google/github for a solution someone else has found“ and replace it with „wow that was actually quite beginner friendly!“. Pictures also make it much easier to visualize what is actually achieved.
Cheers
Jens
> On 8. Jul 2021, at 02:18, Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I think the "wip-cite-new" branch is in good shape now. As
> a consequence, I'd like to merge it tomorrow.
>
> It is documented, but the documentation is scattered across the various
> "oc" libraries, and some threads in the mailing list. I'll do a summary
> here, from a user point of view.
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> Basically, in order to use it, you need to first set-up a bibliography,
> using one or more "bibliography" keywords. <C-c '> on such a keyword
> visits the related file. Out of the box, Org supports JSON-CSL and
> BibTeX (or biblatex) bibliographies.
>
> Then, citations can be inserted with the following syntax:
>
> [cite/style:common prefix ;prefix @key suffix; ... ; common suffix]
>
> Spaces are meaningful except those after the initial colon and before
> the closing bracket.
>
> Every part of the syntax is optional, except the brackets, "cite" and
> the colon. Also the citation must contain at least a key. So its minimal
> form is:
>
> [cite:@key]
>
> The "style" part is detailed below, in the part related to export.
>
> Org can insert or edit citations with <C-c C-x @> (and delete them with
> <C-u C-c C-x @>), follow them with <C-c C-o>, fontify them, and export
> them. These four actions (insert, follow, activate, and export) are
> called capabilities. Libraries responsible for these capabilities are
> called citation processors.
>
> You can select one citation processor for each capability, independently
> on the others, through the following variables:
>
> - org-cite-activate-processor
> - org-cite-export-processors
> - org-cite-follow-processor
> - org-cite-insert-processor
>
> Out of the box, Org provides the "basic" (in "oc-basic.el") processor
> for all of these tasks. It also boasts processors dedicated for export:
> "csl", "natbib" and "biblatex".
>
> During export, output for citations is controlled by their style, which
> is an Org label that the export processor may recognize and associate to
> a specific display, or fall-back to a default style (called "nil"). For
> example, most processors support "noauthor" and "text" styles.
>
> Some styles can accept a variant, with the syntax "style/variant".
> Again, it's up to the processor to associate it to a specific display.
> Common variants include "bare", "caps" or "full". They also accept
> short-hands, like "b", "c" and "f". Please refer to the export
> processors' libraries ("oc-basic.el", "oc-csl.el", …) for more information.
>
> It is possible to define a default style for a whole document (with
> "cite_export"), or for all documents (with `org-cite-export-processors').
>
> References are displayed with the "print_bibliography" keyword. It is
> possible to add parameters to its value, as some export processors could
> make use of them.
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
>
> Please let me know if there are any objections to the merge.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Nicolas Goaziou
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-07-08 7:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-07-08 0:17 [wip-cite-new] Merging tomorrow? Nicolas Goaziou
2021-07-08 0:29 ` William Denton
2021-07-08 2:12 ` Thomas S. Dye
2021-07-08 3:18 ` Matt Price
2021-07-08 8:12 ` Greg Minshall
2021-07-08 10:09 ` Timothy
2021-07-08 3:47 ` Timothy
2021-07-08 6:31 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-07-08 6:47 ` Joost Kremers
2021-07-08 10:17 ` Timothy
2021-07-08 10:26 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-07-08 11:15 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-07-08 11:33 ` John Kitchin
2021-07-08 13:31 ` Timothy
2021-07-08 14:27 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-07-08 21:31 ` William Denton
2021-07-09 7:58 ` Timothy
2021-07-09 8:06 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-07-08 14:36 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-07-08 11:39 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-07-08 7:56 ` Jens Neuhalfen [this message]
2021-07-08 11:42 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-07-08 11:50 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2021-07-08 12:49 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-07-09 13:36 ` William Denton
2021-07-09 16:07 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-07-13 15:50 ` John Kitchin
2021-08-20 13:37 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-20 13:46 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-08-20 13:47 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-08-20 13:55 ` Eric S Fraga
[not found] ` <87eeaonp4x.fsf@ucl.ac.uk>
2021-08-20 15:06 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-08-20 15:20 ` John Kitchin
2021-08-20 15:31 ` Bruce D'Arcus
2021-08-20 15:56 ` Eric S Fraga
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