Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Joseph Vidal-Rosset]

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Hi,

I would be very happy to use LaTeX in gnus in scientific correspondence,
instead of using LaTeX it with Thunderbird.

I know that it is possible with org-mode , but I have difficulties to find
a clear tutorial to help me in this task.

My question is twofold: how concretely making links between my gnus and my
org-mode installation, and once is done, how can I use it to write an email
with every feature  that gives me LaTeX (with texlive)?

I would be very thankful to everyone trying to help me.

In advance, thanks.

Jo.

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Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Eric S Fraga]

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#+OPTIONS: latex:t
Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I would be very happy to use LaTeX in gnus in scientific correspondence,
> instead of using LaTeX it with Thunderbird.

What specifically do wish to be able to do?  I don't know about LaTeX with Thunderbird.

If you want to write equations, such as \(y = \int x dx\) and images, you can write using the normal org mode constructs and then execute =M-x org-mime-htmlize= just before sending the message.  This will send an email in HTML (with text/plain as well).

This email was composed in this way.

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: Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 24.3.50.1, Org release_8.1.1-7-gaecdf5

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Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Joseph Vidal-Rosset]

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Hi Eric,

2013/9/30 Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>

> What specifically do wish to be able to do? I don't know about LaTeX with
> Thunderbird.
>

For information:

https://addons.mozilla.org/fr/thunderbird/addon/latex-it/


>  If you want to write equations, such as [image: \(y = \int x dx\)] and
> images, you can write using the normal org mode constructs and then execute M-x
> org-mime-htmlize just before sending the message. This will send an email
> in HTML (with text/plain as well).
>
I have certainly a problem of installation, because of my test of
conversion with org-mode fail.

With gnus, here is the message error :

org-mime-htmlize: Cannot open load file: aucun fichier ou dossier de ce
type, ox-org

 I appreciate a lot the kind help of people of this list.

Best wishes,

Jo.

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Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Joseph Vidal-Rosset]

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Hi Eric, Hi everybody,

Here is the beginning of my init.el in my .emacs.d/ :


(message "* --[ Loading my Emacs init file ]--")
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/org-8.2/lisp")
(add-to-list 'load-path "/.emacs.d/org-8.2/contrib/lisp" t)
(package-initialize)

last stable version of org-mode is correctly installed:

Org-mode version 8.2 (8.2-dist @ /home/joseph/.emacs.d/org-8.2/lisp/)

org-mime installed via elpa

Now test of org-mime-htmlize :

org-uniquify: Wrong type argument: sequencep, my-fill-nobreak-predicate

And test of C-e C-l  for conversion of a file.org  into a .tex file :

org-uniquify: Wrong type argument: sequencep, my-fill-nobreak-predicate

Your help is welcome, because nothing works...

Best wishes

Jo.





2013/9/30 Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>

> Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would be very happy to use LaTeX in gnus in scientific correspondence,
> > instead of using LaTeX it with Thunderbird.
>
> What specifically do wish to be able to do? I don't know about LaTeX with
> Thunderbird.
>
> If you want to write equations, such as [image: \(y = \int x dx\)] and
> images, you can write using the normal org mode constructs and then execute M-x
> org-mime-htmlize just before sending the message. This will send an email
> in HTML (with text/plain as well).
>
> This email was composed in this way.
>
> –
>
> Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 24.3.50.1, Org release_8.1.1-7-gaecdf5
>
>

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Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Nick Dokos]

Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Eric, Hi everybody,
>
> Here is the beginning of my init.el in my .emacs.d/ :
>
> (message "* --[ Loading my Emacs init file ]--")
> (add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/org-8.2/lisp")
> (add-to-list 'load-path "/.emacs.d/org-8.2/contrib/lisp" t)
> (package-initialize)
>
> last stable version of org-mode is correctly installed: 
>

Not necessarily: org-version might work, but that does not mean
that the rest of org does.

> Org-mode version 8.2 (8.2-dist @ /home/joseph/.emacs.d/org-8.2/lisp/)
>

Do ordinary operation in org-mode work? Try adding some headlines and
some text, moving around (perhaps using the menu if you don't know the
keydefs yet), adding some timestamps, tags, properties etc.

> org-mime installed via elpa
>
> Now test of org-mime-htmlize :
>
> org-uniquify: Wrong type argument: sequencep, my-fill-nobreak-predicate
>

Where is my-fill-nobreak-predicate defined? That is not an emacs
variable afaik, so it must come from your configuration.

Also, can you get a backtrace here? I cannot see how this arises.  See section
1.4, "Feedback", in the org manual on how to produce a useful
backtrace. OTOH, it might not be worth it for this problem: the
installation seems really borked.

NB: however, it will certainly be worth knowing how to get a backtrace
once you get these problems solved - there *will* be other problems in
the future and backtraces are useful tools for diagnosis.

> And test of C-e C-l for conversion of a file.org into a .tex file :
>
> org-uniquify: Wrong type argument: sequencep, my-fill-nobreak-predicate
>

This all seems screwed-up in various mysterious and tangled ways.  Is
there somebody with emacs experience nearby who could help you?  If not,
I would go back to the beginning: start with a default emacs
installation with *no* customizations at all, then add latest org-mode
and the bare minimum of customizations so that it is chosen in
preference to the org-mode that comes with emacs. Then test it carefully
and thoroughly before you try adding other customizations and org-mime.
Add things one at a time and keep testing.

-- 
Nick

Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Joseph Vidal-Rosset]

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2013/10/1 Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com>

> This all seems screwed-up in various mysterious and tangled ways.  Is
> there somebody with emacs experience nearby who could help you?  If not,
> I would go back to the beginning: start with a default emacs
> installation with *no* customizations at all, then add latest org-mode
> and the bare minimum of customizations so that it is chosen in
> preference to the org-mode that comes with emacs. Then test it carefully
> and thoroughly before you try adding other customizations and org-mime.
> Add things one at a time and keep testing.
>

Thanks a lot Nick, it is a good advice.

I succeeded to get an html file !  It still does not work for LateX but I
need more time.

Unfortunately  org-mime-htmlize makes still problems:

org-mime-htmlize: Symbol's function definition is void: org-region-active-p


I do not understand what it means.

Again , thanks !

Jo.

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Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Achim Gratz]

Am 30.09.2013 21:05, schrieb Joseph Vidal-Rosset:
> Hi Eric, Hi everybody,
>
> Here is the beginning of my init.el in my .emacs.d/ :
>
>
> (message "* --[ Loading my Emacs init file ]--")
> (add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/org-8.2/lisp")
> (add-to-list 'load-path "/.emacs.d/org-8.2/contrib/lisp" t)
> (package-initialize)

Try this perhaps:

(message "* --[ Loading my Emacs init file ]--")
(add-to-list 'load-path "/.emacs.d/org-8.2/contrib/lisp" t)
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/org-8.2/lisp")
(require 'org-loaddefs)
(package-initialize)


Regards,
Achim.

Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Sebastien Vauban]

Achim Gratz wrote:
> Am 30.09.2013 21:05, schrieb Joseph Vidal-Rosset:
>>
>> Here is the beginning of my init.el in my .emacs.d/ :
>>
>> (message "* --[ Loading my Emacs init file ]--")
>> (add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/org-8.2/lisp")
>> (add-to-list 'load-path "/.emacs.d/org-8.2/contrib/lisp" t)
                           ^ ~
Missing tilde...

>> (package-initialize)
>
> Try this perhaps:
>
> (message "* --[ Loading my Emacs init file ]--")
> (add-to-list 'load-path "/.emacs.d/org-8.2/contrib/lisp" t)
> (add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/org-8.2/lisp")
> (require 'org-loaddefs)
> (package-initialize)

This is correct only if `org' is not installed via ELPA, right?  Otherwise,
~/.emacs.d/elpa/org-<date> would be added to the load-path and could be a cause
of mixed code usage?

Best regards,
  Seb

-- 
Sebastien Vauban

Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Eric S Fraga]

Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> writes:

[...]

> I have certainly a problem of installation, because of my test of
> conversion with org-mode fail.
>
> With gnus, here is the message error :
>
> org-mime-htmlize: Cannot open load file: aucun fichier ou dossier de ce
> type, ox-org

A backtrace might help.  Do 

  M-x toggle-debug-on-error RET

and then try again.

In any case, I have the following in my initialisation files:

(require 'ox-latex)
(require 'org-mime)
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: Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 24.3.50.1, Org release_8.1.1-7-gaecdf5

Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Joseph Vidal-Rosset]

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Dear Eric, Seb, Achim, many thanks, it works now !

Here is my configuration, at the very beginning of my init.el  file :


(message "* --[ Loading my Emacs init file ]--")
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/org-8.2/lisp")
(add-to-list 'load-path "~/.emacs.d/org-8.2/contrib/lisp" t)
(require 'org-loaddefs)
;(package-initialize)
(global-set-key "\C-cl" 'org-store-link)
(global-set-key "\C-cc" 'org-capture)
(global-set-key "\C-ca" 'org-agenda)
(global-set-key "\C-cb" 'org-iswitchb)
(require 'ox-latex)
(require 'org-mime)
(setq org-mime-library 'mml)

I have succeeded to get an email wih png images which correctly appear in
Thunderbird and a link on png images in gnus . Wonderful !!!

Now, the next ideal step would be to be able to use any latex package to
get png images via gnus, for example fitch or bussproofs or qtree...

it is not an hurry, I will follow your advice.

Hope that my email will help other beginners.

Many many thanks to all of you !

Jo.


2013/10/1 Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>

> Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > I have certainly a problem of installation, because of my test of
> > conversion with org-mode fail.
> >
> > With gnus, here is the message error :
> >
> > org-mime-htmlize: Cannot open load file: aucun fichier ou dossier de ce
> > type, ox-org
>
> A backtrace might help.  Do
>
>   M-x toggle-debug-on-error RET
>
> and then try again.
>
> In any case, I have the following in my initialisation files:
>
> (require 'ox-latex)
> (require 'org-mime)
> --
> : Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 24.3.50.1, Org release_8.1.1-7-gaecdf5
>
>
>

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Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Eric S Fraga]

Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> writes:

> Dear Eric, Seb, Achim, many thanks, it works now !

Excellent.  Glad we could help.

[...]

> Now, the next ideal step would be to be able to use any latex package to
> get png images via gnus, for example fitch or bussproofs or qtree...

Now you are starting to blur the lines between email and document
management?  If emails get this complicated, my gut feeling is that you
are better off working on a real document (in org, of course ;-) and
generating a PDF to attach to an email.  

-- 
: Eric S Fraga (0xFFFCF67D), Emacs 24.3.50.1, Org release_8.1.1-7-gaecdf5

Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Joseph Vidal-Rosset]

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2013/10/1 Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>

> Now you are starting to blur the lines between email and document
> management?  If emails get this complicated, my gut feeling is that you
> are better off working on a real document (in org, of course ;-) and
> generating a PDF to attach to an email.
>

You are certainly right Eric. Now I understand that I have to learn how
writing every latex document in org-mode. I do not doubt that it is
possible.

Again, many thanks !

Jo.

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Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Joseph Vidal-Rosset]

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Hi again,

I succeed in exporting to .tex files with article.cls   and book.cls  but I
do not succeed to export other classes. I do not even suceed in exporting
in beamer class. I have in my emacs:

(unless (boundp 'org-export-latex-classes)
  (setq org-export-latex-classes nil))
(add-to-list 'org-export-latex-classes
             '("beamer"

 "\\documentclass[11pt]{beamer}\n\\usepackage[utf8]{inputenc}\n\\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}\n\\usepackage{hyperref}\n\\usepackage{verbatim}\n"
               ("\\section{%s}" . "\\section*{%s}")
               ("\\begin{frame}\\frametitle{%s}" "\\end{frame}"
                "\\begin{frame}\\frametitle{%s}" "\\end{frame}")))


But it does not work  : user-error: Unknown LaTeX class `beamer'

I need again some help...

Thanks in advance,

Jo.


2013/10/1 Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com>

>
> 2013/10/1 Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>
>
>> Now you are starting to blur the lines between email and document
>> management?  If emails get this complicated, my gut feeling is that you
>> are better off working on a real document (in org, of course ;-) and
>> generating a PDF to attach to an email.
>>
>
> You are certainly right Eric. Now I understand that I have to learn how
> writing every latex document in org-mode. I do not doubt that it is
> possible.
>
> Again, many thanks !
>
> Jo.
>

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Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Suvayu Ali]

On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 05:56:32AM +0200, Joseph Vidal-Rosset wrote:
> 
> (unless (boundp 'org-export-latex-classes)
>   (setq org-export-latex-classes nil))
> (add-to-list 'org-export-latex-classes
>              '("beamer"

These variables are from the old exporter.  See:

  <http://orgmode.org/worg/org-8.0.html>
  <http://orgmode.org/worg/exporters/beamer/ox-beamer.html>
  <http://orgmode.org/worg/exporters/beamer/>

or the manual.

-- 
Suvayu

Open source is the future. It sets us free.

Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[Joseph Vidal-Rosset]

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2013/10/2 Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com>

> These variables are from the old exporter.  See:
>
>   <http://orgmode.org/worg/org-8.0.html>
>   <http://orgmode.org/worg/exporters/beamer/ox-beamer.html>
>   <http://orgmode.org/worg/exporters/beamer/>
>
> or the manual.
>

Many thanks. It works fine now. Org-mode is really amazing !!!

I am very happy and enthusiastic with these first results !

Best wishes,

Jo.

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Re: Needing help on org-gnus + LaTeX export -

[David Rogers]

Joseph Vidal-Rosset <joseph.vidal.rosset@gmail.com> writes:

> 2013/10/1 Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com>
>
>     This all seems screwed-up in various mysterious and tangled ways.
>     Is
>     there somebody with emacs experience nearby who could help you? If
>     not,
>     I would go back to the beginning: start with a default emacs
>     installation with *no* customizations at all, then add latest
>     org-mode
>     and the bare minimum of customizations so that it is chosen in
>     preference to the org-mode that comes with emacs. Then test it
>     carefully
>     and thoroughly before you try adding other customizations and
>     org-mime.
>     Add things one at a time and keep testing.
>
> Thanks a lot Nick, it is a good advice. 
>
> I succeeded to get an html file ! It still does not work for LateX but
> I need more time. 
>
> Unfortunately org-mime-htmlize makes still problems: 
>
> org-mime-htmlize: Symbol's function definition is void:
> org-region-active-p 
>
> I do not understand what it means. 

I think it really means "Did you take Nick's advice?" :)

The main part of Nick's advice was maybe not perfectly clear for a
beginner; when he says "with no customizations", he means "rename your
.emacs file to some other name so you don't lose it, and then re-start
from a new, blank .emacs file - and don't put in your new .emacs file
anything that you don't fully understand."

I've caused problems for myself before, by finding something interesting
that sounds like a good idea, adding it into my .emacs without fully
understanding what it does, and later running into mysterious problems.

-- 
David R