Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Tassilo Horn]

Hi,

in an org file I want to insert some ascii art graphics.  In the docs I
found the #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE construct, but that seems to take effect only
when exporting.

If I add my ascii graphic inside such a construct, I get a weired
font-locking [1], and TAB and M-q work as if it was normal text and
garble the graphic.

Is there a mechanism to insert some text verbatim which supresses any
indentation and font-locking (or uses some special face)?

My org version is 6.06b.  That's the one that is in the current Emacs
CVS.

Bye and thanks for org!
Tassilo
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[1] http://www.tsdh.de/~heimdall/org.png

Re: Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Sebastian Rose]

Hi Tassilo,

with a current version of Org-mode you may press

C-c '

to create such a region or edit an existing one. Not shure when this
feature made it into org. But 6.09 has this feature.

Hope that helps,

 Sebastian


Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
> Hi,
>
> in an org file I want to insert some ascii art graphics.  In the docs I
> found the #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE construct, but that seems to take effect only
> when exporting.
>
> If I add my ascii graphic inside such a construct, I get a weired
> font-locking [1], and TAB and M-q work as if it was normal text and
> garble the graphic.
>
> Is there a mechanism to insert some text verbatim which supresses any
> indentation and font-locking (or uses some special face)?
>
> My org version is 6.06b.  That's the one that is in the current Emacs
> CVS.
>
> Bye and thanks for org!
> Tassilo
> __________
> [1] http://www.tsdh.de/~heimdall/org.png
>
>
>
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Re: Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Tassilo Horn]

Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes:

Hi Sebastian,

> with a current version of Org-mode you may press C-c ' to create such
> a region or edit an existing one.  Not shure when this feature made it
> into org. But 6.09 has this feature.

Here it is:

,----[ C-h k C-c ' ]
| C-c ' runs the command org-edit-special, which is an interactive compiled Lisp
| function in `org.el'.
| 
| It is bound to C-c ', <menu-bar> <Org> <Editing> <Edit Source Example>,
| <menu-bar> <Tbl> <Calculate> <Edit Formulas>.
| 
| (org-edit-special)
| 
| Call a special editor for the stuff at point.
| When at a table, call the formula editor with `org-table-edit-formulas'.
| When at the first line of an src example, call `org-edit-src-code'.
| When in an #+include line, visit the include file.  Otherwise call
| `ffap' to visit the file at point.
`----

I guess, that's what you mean.  But at least in my version, that's no
too big improvement.  Let's say I have this:

#+BEGIN_SRC artist
                         +-----+             (Abb. 23b)
 ENABLE------------------|  &  |
       +-----+           |     |
       | >=1 |     +-----|     |---RUN
       |     |     |     |     |
 X-----|     |-----+     +-----+
 Y-----|     |
 RUN---|     |
       +-----+
#+END_SRC

If I hit `C-c '' in that block, it'll open the graphic in artist mode.
That's great, but still the graphic is font-locked like in the
screenshot of my previous posting, because org thinks it's a table.

And TAB in the first line moves point one line up and messages "Should
not happen...".  On other positions in the block, it indents like in
text-mode, and on even other positions it acts like in org tables (Jump
to the next "cell").

While I can live with TAB freaking out (Hey, `C-c '' switches to artist
mode. Yay!), the broken font-locking is disturbing me.  Is it possible
to fontify everything in #+BEGIN...#+END blocks with some special face
which takes precedence over the usual org font-locking?

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Re: Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Eric Schulte]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:

> While I can live with TAB freaking out (Hey, `C-c '' switches to artist
> mode. Yay!), the broken font-locking is disturbing me.  Is it possible
> to fontify everything in #+BEGIN...#+END blocks with some special face
> which takes precedence over the usual org font-locking?
>

Are you aware of the other option for verbatim escapes? (every line
starts with a ":") I does do a minor font locking, and (I believe)
should fix your tab woes.  Also, you can use C-c' in this area, and it
will take you to special edit buffer.

:                          +-----+             (Abb. 23b)
:  ENABLE------------------|  &  |
:        +-----+           |     |
:        | >=1 |     +-----|     |---RUN
:        |     |     |     |     |
:  X-----|     |-----+     +-----+
:  Y-----|     |
:  RUN---|     |
:        +-----+

Best -- Eric

Re: Re: Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Tassilo Horn]

"Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes:

Hi Eric,

>> While I can live with TAB freaking out (Hey, `C-c '' switches to
>> artist mode. Yay!), the broken font-locking is disturbing me.  Is it
>> possible to fontify everything in #+BEGIN...#+END blocks with some
>> special face which takes precedence over the usual org font-locking?
>
> Are you aware of the other option for verbatim escapes? (every line
> starts with a ":")

No, thanks for mentioning that.

> I does do a minor font locking,

Nice.  That's `org-code' face.  So why not use that face for things in
#+BEGIN...#+END blocks, too?

> and (I believe) should fix your tab woes.

No, but that's no problem if `C-c '' does the right thing.

> Also, you can use C-c' in this area, and it will take you to special
> edit buffer.

Here, it prompts me for a file.  That's because `org-edit-special' calls
`ffap' if it doesn't know what to do.  Is that different in your
version?

Anyway, I thinks the #+BEGIN_SRC constructs are better, because then the
correct mode is switched on automatically.

> :                          +-----+             (Abb. 23b)
> :  ENABLE------------------|  &  |
> :        +-----+           |     |
> :        | >=1 |     +-----|     |---RUN
> :        |     |     |     |     |
> :  X-----|     |-----+     +-----+
> :  Y-----|     |
> :  RUN---|     |
> :        +-----+

So in summary I think I would be completely happy if #+BEGIN_SRC
constructs (or maybe all #+BEGIN_FOO constructs) would fontify their
contents with the `org-code' face.

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Re: Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Sebastian Rose]

Hi Tassilo,


is this true for regions created using C-c '  ???

There is no #+BEGIN_SRC then and it works perfectly fine here.
Just create the region using C-c '
artist-mode is on automatically in the indirect buffer for editing the
region. 


Regards,

  Sebastian

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:
> Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> writes:
>
> Hi Sebastian,
>
>> with a current version of Org-mode you may press C-c ' to create such
>> a region or edit an existing one.  Not shure when this feature made it
>> into org. But 6.09 has this feature.
>
> Here it is:
>
> ,----[ C-h k C-c ' ]
> | C-c ' runs the command org-edit-special, which is an interactive compiled Lisp
> | function in `org.el'.
> | 
> | It is bound to C-c ', <menu-bar> <Org> <Editing> <Edit Source Example>,
> | <menu-bar> <Tbl> <Calculate> <Edit Formulas>.
> | 
> | (org-edit-special)
> | 
> | Call a special editor for the stuff at point.
> | When at a table, call the formula editor with `org-table-edit-formulas'.
> | When at the first line of an src example, call `org-edit-src-code'.
> | When in an #+include line, visit the include file.  Otherwise call
> | `ffap' to visit the file at point.
> `----
>
> I guess, that's what you mean.  But at least in my version, that's no
> too big improvement.  Let's say I have this:
>
> #+BEGIN_SRC artist
>                          +-----+             (Abb. 23b)
>  ENABLE------------------|  &  |
>        +-----+           |     |
>        | >=1 |     +-----|     |---RUN
>        |     |     |     |     |
>  X-----|     |-----+     +-----+
>  Y-----|     |
>  RUN---|     |
>        +-----+
> #+END_SRC
>
> If I hit `C-c '' in that block, it'll open the graphic in artist mode.
> That's great, but still the graphic is font-locked like in the
> screenshot of my previous posting, because org thinks it's a table.
>
> And TAB in the first line moves point one line up and messages "Should
> not happen...".  On other positions in the block, it indents like in
> text-mode, and on even other positions it acts like in org tables (Jump
> to the next "cell").
>
> While I can live with TAB freaking out (Hey, `C-c '' switches to artist
> mode. Yay!), the broken font-locking is disturbing me.  Is it possible
> to fontify everything in #+BEGIN...#+END blocks with some special face
> which takes precedence over the usual org font-locking?
>
> Bye,
> Tassilo
>
>
>
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Re: Re: Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Eric Schulte]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:

>> Also, you can use C-c' in this area, and it will take you to special
>> edit buffer.
>
> Here, it prompts me for a file.  That's because `org-edit-special' calls
> `ffap' if it doesn't know what to do.  Is that different in your
> version?
>

Yes, for me C-c' calls `org-edit-special', which ends up calling
`org-edit-fixed-width-region' which then opens an *Org Edit Picture*
buffer editing the graph in artist mode.  I'm using the current version
of org from git.

Thanks -- Eric

Re: Re: Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Carsten Dominik]

On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Tassilo Horn wrote:
> I guess, that's what you mean.  But at least in my version, that's no
> too big improvement.  Let's say I have this:
>
> #+BEGIN_SRC artist

artist-mode is a minor mode, the BEGIN_SRC construct is meant for  
major modes.

The right solution for drawings like this is, as many people pointed  
out, a section of lines starting with ":".

- Carsten

Re: Re: Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Tassilo Horn]

Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> writes:

Hi Carsten,

> On Oct 9, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Tassilo Horn wrote:
>> I guess, that's what you mean.  But at least in my version, that's no
>> too big improvement.  Let's say I have this:
>>
>> #+BEGIN_SRC artist
>
> artist-mode is a minor mode, the BEGIN_SRC construct is meant for
> major modes.

Ah, right.  Artist-mode is indeed a minor mode, but as soon as you
toggle it on, the current major mode will be switched to picture-mode as
well.  So "#+BEGIN_SRC artist" enables picture-mode with artist-mode as
minor mode, which works just beautiful.

> The right solution for drawings like this is, as many people pointed
> out, a section of lines starting with ":".

I still get some font-locking weirdnesses.  Here's an example:

:                         +-----+             (Abb. 23a)
: ENABLE------------------|  &  |
:       +-----+           |     |
:       | >=1 |     +-----|     |---RUN-+
:       |     |     |     |     |       |
: X-----|     |-----+     +-----+       |
: Y-----|     |                         |
:   +---|     |                         |
:   |   +-----+                         |
:   |                                   |
:   +-----------------------------------+

The empty char (the linebreak char) behind the last | in line 8 is
striked through, and everything in line 9 up to the second + is striked
through.  The last line has the same problem.

I can reproduce that with:

1. Put the graphic into foo.org as posted above
2. emacs -Q
3. C-x C-f foo.org

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Re: Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Tassilo Horn]

"Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes:

Hi Eric,

>> Here, it prompts me for a file.  That's because `org-edit-special'
>> calls `ffap' if it doesn't know what to do.  Is that different in
>> your version?
>>
>
> Yes, for me C-c' calls `org-edit-special', which ends up calling
> `org-edit-fixed-width-region' which then opens an *Org Edit Picture*
> buffer editing the graph in artist mode.  I'm using the current
> version of org from git.

Ah, thanks.  Then I need to update to the git version, or will that be
synched to emacs trunk anytime soon?

Could you please check if you get the same font-lock gibberish as I do
with the graphic and reproduction recipe I posted as reply to Carsten a
minute ago?

Bye,
Tassilo

Re: Re: Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Eric Schulte]

Tassilo Horn <tassilo@member.fsf.org> writes:

> Ah, thanks.  Then I need to update to the git version, or will that be
> synched to emacs trunk anytime soon?
>

I don't know how often it syncs with emacs trunk.  My guess is that it's
not very frequently.

>
> Could you please check if you get the same font-lock gibberish as I do
> with the graphic and reproduction recipe I posted as reply to Carsten a
> minute ago?
>

I pasted the following into an org file, put the cursor in the middle
and hit C-c' and it worked perfectly for me.  I assume that this is
because of our differences in org versions...

:                         +-----+             (Abb. 23a)
: ENABLE------------------|  &  |
:       +-----+           |     |
:       | >=1 |     +-----|     |---RUN-+
:       |     |     |     |     |       |
: X-----|     |-----+     +-----+       |
: Y-----|     |                         |
:   +---|     |                         |
:   |   +-----+                         |
:   |                                   |
:   +-----------------------------------+

Best -- Eric

>
> Bye,
> Tassilo

Re: Re: Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Sebastian Rose]

Eric Schulte wrote:
> I pasted the following into an org file, put the cursor in the middle
> and hit C-c' and it worked perfectly for me.  I assume that this is
> because of our differences in org versions...


Same here. Works perfect. I also tried 'emacs -Q' and it works. No font
wierdness.



> :                         +-----+             (Abb. 23a)
> : ENABLE------------------|  &  |
> :       +-----+           |     |
> :       | >=1 |     +-----|     |---RUN-+
> :       |     |     |     |     |       |
> : X-----|     |-----+     +-----+       |
> : Y-----|     |                         |
> :   +---|     |                         |
> :   |   +-----+                         |
> :   |                                   |
> :   +-----------------------------------+
> 
> Best -- Eric
> 
>> Bye,
>> Tassilo
> 
> 
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Re: Re: Is there some kind of verbatim environment for org?

[Tassilo Horn]

"Eric Schulte" <schulte.eric@gmail.com> writes:

Hi Eric,

>> Could you please check if you get the same font-lock gibberish as I
>> do with the graphic and reproduction recipe I posted as reply to
>> Carsten a minute ago?
>>
>
> I pasted the following into an org file, put the cursor in the middle
> and hit C-c' and it worked perfectly for me.  I assume that this is
> because of our differences in org versions...

Ok, then I'll get org from git.

Thank a lot for testing that for me.

Bye,
Tassilo
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