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From: Titus von der Malsburg <malsburg@posteo.de>
To: Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk>
Cc: Michael Brand <michael.ch.brand@gmail.com>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Time-zone in dates
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2015 10:22:09 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r3oi7ef2.fsf@posteo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87615uiovg.fsf@ucl.ac.uk>

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On 2015-07-08 Wed 09:40, Eric S Fraga wrote:
> On Wednesday,  8 Jul 2015 at 11:16, Russell Adams wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> Then would you store the time in UTC only, or support a full timestamp
>> that included timezone?
>>
>> Finally when being displayed they can use the user's $TZ by default,
>> and maybe a suffix of @ TZ inside the date syntax?
>
> The ideal implementation, in my opinion, would have time stamps defined
> & stored with time zone information, as given by the user when creating
> them (although this could default to UTC, say, if not present in the
> time stamp) but displayed according to the user's $TZ (or overridden
> with emacs variable) in cases like agenda views.

I like this proposal because it solves the problem at hand (as far as I
can tell) but isn’t over-engineered.  I also like that the date string
that the user sees would be the string stored in the file, at least in
the default case (non-agenda view).  The mostly literal display of files
is what sets org-mode apart from other outlines because that allows
users to take full advantage of Emacs’ powerful text editing
capabilities.

> For upwards compatibility, however, it might be best if time stamps with
> no time zone information be considered to be at the user's timezone,
> as it is now.

This point is important.  Whatever the solution is it should not break
documents and workflows for users who don’t care about time zones.  I
agree that time zones are important for some people but let’s face it,
org-mode made it thus far without support time zones, which suggests
that it’s not that big of a deal for most users.

  Titus


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  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-08 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-26 13:40 Time-zone in dates Oleg Sivokon
2015-06-26 14:12 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-06-26 14:33   ` Left Right
2015-06-26 14:38   ` J. David Boyd
2015-06-26 15:10     ` Eric S Fraga
2015-06-26 19:20       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-26 19:57         ` francois
2015-06-26 21:48           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-29 13:17           ` Eric S Fraga
2015-06-30  1:17             ` Nick Dokos
2015-06-30  7:36               ` Eric S Fraga
2015-06-30 15:08                 ` Nick Dokos
2015-07-01  6:27                   ` Eric S Fraga
2015-07-01 10:04                     ` Michael Brand
2015-07-01 11:22                       ` Eric S Fraga
2015-07-07 17:27                         ` Russell Adams
2015-07-08 15:59                           ` Don Armstrong
2015-07-08 16:16                             ` Russell Adams
2015-07-08 16:40                               ` Eric S Fraga
2015-07-08 17:22                                 ` Titus von der Malsburg [this message]
2015-07-07 17:14                       ` Don Armstrong
2015-07-01 15:17                     ` Nick Dokos
2015-07-01 22:17                       ` Left Right

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