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From: Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Time-zone in dates
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 11:17:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87d20bj4aq.fsf@alphaville.usersys.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87fv581jfv.fsf@ucl.ac.uk

Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> On Tuesday, 30 Jun 2015 at 11:08, Nick Dokos wrote:
>> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>>
>>> On Monday, 29 Jun 2015 at 21:17, Nick Dokos wrote:
>>>> The only reliable way of doing that is to use UTC as the "internal"
>>>> representation and translate to/from local time on external
>>>> display/input *only*.  In the case of org mode, the "internal"
>>>> representation is user-visible, so that can cause confusion and some
>>>> head-scratching. But *any* other method is going to be a nightmare
>>>> (damhikt).
>>>
>>> This may be the correct approach although I worry about losing
>>> information by only storing UTC.  Whether this information loss is
>>> important or not is difficult to predict.  It may be of ephemeral
>>> importance only.
>>
>> In what way are you losing information?
>
> Sorry, should have been clear: the time zone information itself.  By
> reducing to UTC, you lose one bit of information.  Whether that matters
> or not in practice is not clear but I'm always uncomfortable when
> considering data representations that lead to information loss.
>
> I've been trying to come up with an example that would illustrate the
> problem but I've failed so far.
>
> Funnily enough, the one example I can think of that would be difficult
> to manage with UTC is the case of not wanting to specify a time
> zone.  Somewhat contrived but, for instance, wanting to do something
> every morning such as brushing my teeth.  This would be, say, at 7am
> regardless of which time zone I'm in.  If this were stored in UTC, it
> would be at a different time depending on where I was at the time.
>

This is actually a pretty good example. This and Michael Brand's examples
make it clear that storing (just) UTC in the file is untenable.

Nick

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-01 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-26 13:40 Time-zone in dates Oleg Sivokon
2015-06-26 14:12 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-06-26 14:33   ` Left Right
2015-06-26 14:38   ` J. David Boyd
2015-06-26 15:10     ` Eric S Fraga
2015-06-26 19:20       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-26 19:57         ` francois
2015-06-26 21:48           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-29 13:17           ` Eric S Fraga
2015-06-30  1:17             ` Nick Dokos
2015-06-30  7:36               ` Eric S Fraga
2015-06-30 15:08                 ` Nick Dokos
2015-07-01  6:27                   ` Eric S Fraga
2015-07-01 10:04                     ` Michael Brand
2015-07-01 11:22                       ` Eric S Fraga
2015-07-07 17:27                         ` Russell Adams
2015-07-08 15:59                           ` Don Armstrong
2015-07-08 16:16                             ` Russell Adams
2015-07-08 16:40                               ` Eric S Fraga
2015-07-08 17:22                                 ` Titus von der Malsburg
2015-07-07 17:14                       ` Don Armstrong
2015-07-01 15:17                     ` Nick Dokos [this message]
2015-07-01 22:17                       ` Left Right

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