From: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 09:42:46 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o7ydk4xi.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+G3_PO6jruG4nACBt3Bjc7EmTU47nQ3Gs_E_eOAOdfSjx59yg@mail.gmail.com>
Tom Gillespie <tgbugs@gmail.com> writes:
>> GNU packages should not steer people towards running nonfree software.
>> As a consequence, they should not suggest people donate using payment services
>> that _require_ the donor to run a nonfree program.
>
> A slight variant of Ihor's question.
>
> While GNU packages should not steer people toward nonfree software,
> I assume that there is nothing that prohibits GNU contributors from
> accepting donations via non-free systems.
>
> This thread suggests that it is no other option if devs also do not want
> to steer people toward cryptocurrencies (which some consider to be as
> ethically important as not steering people toward nonfree software).
>
> My question is whether the website for a GNU package can include links
> to the websites of individual developers with a note that you can provide
> financial support to the project by supporting individuals. In the end the
> user still winds up using nonfree JS, but is GNU living up to its principles
> by virtue of the extra layer of indirection?
>
> Given that https://www.fsf.org/about/ways-to-donate/ does include paypal
> as an option, with a disclaimer, is a disclaimer not a sufficient solution for
> GNU packages as well?
Given that the FSF has a link to PayPal on their donations page , I
think we can do the same for the org project. All that is required is
that we do like the FSF does and put a bit of text beside it stating
"Not recommended - requires nonfree Javascript". We should also include
a postal address where people could send in donations to provide an
alternative for those who really don't want to use the non-free service
(which doens't have to be paypal of course - any of them would likely be
as good).
I also notice the FSF will also accept donations via credit card. There
is no credit card processing service which is based on libre software,
so the FSF is using non-free software to process those donations as
well (I guess technically, they are not directly encouraging people use
the non-free credit card processing service, but apparently it is OK for
the FSF to use it to process those donations?).
I do notice that RMS says "should not" rather than "must not", which I
think provides some 'wriggle room'. Provided we provide some way to
donate without using non-free software and state that we do not
recommend using service XXXX which uses non-free Javascript (they all
seem to at some level) and provided we are prepared to switch to a libre
solution if and when one becomes available (which I doubt it ever will),
we are probably OK. However, I am surprised that out of all the options,
the FSF uses PayPal.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-06-28 0:29 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-25 11:29 Communication problems and possible problems with the website c.buhtz
2022-02-25 12:20 ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2022-02-25 12:25 ` Russell Adams
2022-02-25 12:38 ` c.buhtz
2022-02-25 13:12 ` Russell Adams
2022-02-25 12:57 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-26 9:09 ` Bastien
2022-02-25 12:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-25 12:48 ` c.buhtz
2022-02-25 14:18 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-25 14:24 ` c.buhtz
2022-02-25 15:08 ` Russell Adams
2022-02-26 9:19 ` Bastien
2022-02-25 15:14 ` Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github (was: Communication problems and possible problems with the website) Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-25 15:38 ` Michael Powe
2022-02-25 17:39 ` Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github Bastien Guerry
2022-02-26 5:50 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-26 8:57 ` Bastien
2022-02-26 15:18 ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27 17:18 ` Bastien Guerry
2022-02-27 17:32 ` Neil Jerram
2022-02-27 4:11 ` Richard Stallman
2022-02-27 17:57 ` Bastien
2022-02-27 4:43 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2022-03-20 11:27 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-03-21 1:22 ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2022-02-27 11:29 ` Max Nikulin
2022-02-27 12:58 ` Timothy
2022-02-27 14:25 ` Michael Powe
2022-03-20 6:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-18 1:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-18 9:51 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-18 14:31 ` Bastien
2022-06-19 15:52 ` Richard Stallman
2022-06-20 0:13 ` briangpowell
2022-06-20 1:22 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-20 2:11 ` briangpowell
2022-06-20 2:35 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-27 3:43 ` Richard Stallman
2022-06-27 10:11 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-28 3:25 ` Richard Stallman
2022-06-28 3:35 ` Vikas Rawal
2022-07-02 3:33 ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-02 16:23 ` Vikas Rawal
2022-07-04 3:39 ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-04 4:32 ` Timothy
2022-07-04 12:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-04 17:48 ` Michael Powe
2022-07-06 2:50 ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-06 14:42 ` Hendursaga
2022-07-08 3:33 ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-08 4:32 ` Tim Cross
2022-07-08 4:48 ` tomas
2022-07-08 5:25 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-07-11 3:16 ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-11 4:37 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-06-28 7:02 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-06-28 8:23 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-30 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2022-06-30 18:21 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-07-01 3:34 ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-01 3:53 ` Tim Cross
2022-07-01 17:54 ` Michael Powe
2022-07-01 18:42 ` Samuel Banya
2022-07-02 17:02 ` Jeremie Juste
2022-07-01 3:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-02 3:32 ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-02 3:56 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-02 7:52 ` Thomas Dye
2022-07-02 8:43 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-02 16:45 ` Thomas S. Dye
2022-07-04 12:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-05 3:01 ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-05 3:34 ` Tim Cross
2022-07-05 8:45 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-07-06 2:52 ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-06 7:15 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-07-07 7:25 ` Richard Stallman
2022-07-06 17:55 ` Thomas S. Dye
2022-07-07 9:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-07 16:02 ` Thomas S. Dye
2022-06-27 22:42 ` Tom Gillespie
2022-06-27 23:42 ` Tim Cross [this message]
2022-06-28 1:46 ` Michael Powe
2022-06-28 1:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-28 19:48 ` Michael Powe
2022-06-28 2:29 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-03 23:31 ` Jean Louis
2022-07-04 0:11 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-26 8:21 ` c.buhtz
2022-02-26 9:05 ` Bastien
2022-02-26 9:13 ` Communication problems and possible problems with the website Bastien
2022-02-25 14:26 ` Russell Adams
2022-02-26 8:58 ` Bastien
2022-02-26 15:16 ` Jean Louis
2022-02-27 6:56 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-27 17:17 ` Bastien Guerry
2022-02-27 18:25 ` Tim Cross
2022-02-27 23:15 ` Timothy
2022-02-28 13:51 ` c.buhtz
2022-03-20 6:44 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-02-27 17:10 ` Bastien
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2022-02-28 5:41 ` Links to javascript-based websites from orgmode.org: Paypal and Github Richard Stallman
2022-02-28 15:06 ` Michael Powe
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