New website - back to the old unicorn!

New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Bastien]

Dear all,

thanks to the initiative and the patient efforts of Timothy, our
website has been revamped: new contents, new look and... the old
unicorn!

Thanks very much to Timothy and to everyone who contributed with
feedback and ideas.

This is a new basis that we will continue to polish and enhance.

Enjoy :)

https://orgmode.org

-- 
 Bastien

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[TEC]

Hi Everyone, just a quick note from me:

Regarding the intermediate state, there are a few teething issues 
that
have appeared when deploying the site on orgmode.org.*

If we could hold off from announcing this on some of the more
high-traffic forums till these get sorted out that would be 
appreciated
:) We want people to get the best possible first impression of the
revamp after all.

Timothy.


*The favicon, font, and .gif files are not served properly ATM for 
 example

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Carsten Dominik]

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Hi,

I like it!

:)

Carsten

P.S.  One of the pages advertises that this

       [[
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Konigsberg_bridges.png]]

should inline an image.  Does not do it yet for me.  What am I missing?

Carsten

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> thanks to the initiative and the patient efforts of Timothy, our
> website has been revamped: new contents, new look and... the old
> unicorn!
>
> Thanks very much to Timothy and to everyone who contributed with
> feedback and ideas.
>
> This is a new basis that we will continue to polish and enhance.
>
> Enjoy :)
>
> https://orgmode.org
>
> --
>  Bastien
>
>

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Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[John Herrlin]

Looks awesome!

"many others" on the landing page points to
https://orgmode.org/org.html#History-and-Acknowledgments and returns
404.

Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> writes:

> Dear all,
>
> thanks to the initiative and the patient efforts of Timothy, our
> website has been revamped: new contents, new look and... the old
> unicorn!
>
> Thanks very much to Timothy and to everyone who contributed with
> feedback and ideas.
>
> This is a new basis that we will continue to polish and enhance.
>
> Enjoy :)
>
> https://orgmode.org

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Carsten Dominik]

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On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 11:11 AM Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I like it!
>
> :)
>
> Carsten
>
> P.S.  One of the pages advertises that this
>
>        [[
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Konigsberg_bridges.png
> ]]
>
> should inline an image.  Does not do it yet for me.  What am I missing?
>

Never mind, it works in export, not tin the buffer.  Still, the text on the
webpage is a bit confusing.

Carsten


>
> Carsten
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> thanks to the initiative and the patient efforts of Timothy, our
>> website has been revamped: new contents, new look and... the old
>> unicorn!
>>
>> Thanks very much to Timothy and to everyone who contributed with
>> feedback and ideas.
>>
>> This is a new basis that we will continue to polish and enhance.
>>
>> Enjoy :)
>>
>> https://orgmode.org
>>
>> --
>>  Bastien
>>
>>

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Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Bastien]

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Hi Carsten,

Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> writes:

> P.S.  One of the pages advertises that this
>
>        [[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Konigsberg_bridges.png]]
>
> should inline an image.  Does not do it yet for me.  What am I
> missing?

If you export a minimal .org file like the one attached and export it
to HTML with C-c C-e h h, it should create a HTML file with an inline
image*.  

Does it not on your side?

* <img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Konigsberg_bridges.png" alt="Konigsberg_bridges.png" />

-- 
 Bastien

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Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[TEC]

TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com> writes:

> there are a few teething issues that have appeared when 
> deploying the
> site on orgmode.org.

These issues have now been fixed! Go wild :P

I've taken the liberty of making a post on reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/jic3ww/the_org_website_has_been_revamped/

Once again, thanks to everyone who's helped out with this!

Timothy.

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[stardiviner]

New website looks clean and elegant, thanks TEC.

TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi Everyone, just a quick note from me:
>
> Regarding the intermediate state, there are a few teething issues 
> that
> have appeared when deploying the site on orgmode.org.*
>
> If we could hold off from announcing this on some of the more
> high-traffic forums till these get sorted out that would be 
> appreciated
> :) We want people to get the best possible first impression of the
> revamp after all.
>
> Timothy.
>
>
> *The favicon, font, and .gif files are not served properly ATM for 
>  example


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Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Bastien]

Hi John,

John Herrlin <jherrlin@gmail.com> writes:

> "many others" on the landing page points to
> https://orgmode.org/org.html#History-and-Acknowledgments and returns
> 404.

Fixed, thanks!

-- 
 Bastien

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Leo Vivier]

Hi there,

TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com> writes:

> These issues have now been fixed! Go wild :P

I really like the new design.  You’ve done some fantastic work, Timoty,
as well as all the people who’ve contributed. :)

I especially like the new page for Tools:
https://orgmode.org/tools.html

The only nitpick I’d have on that page is that we’re grabbing the
picture from remote domains, which means that users of uMatrix have to
greenlight them before they can be displayed.  A solution could be to
host them ourselves, which should have a minimal footprint.

Best,

-- 
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Freelance Software Engineer
Website: www.leovivier.com | Blog: www.zaeph.net

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[TEC]

Leo Vivier <zaeph@zaeph.net> writes:

> I really like the new design.  You’ve done some fantastic work, 
> Timoty,
> as well as all the people who’ve contributed. :)

Thanks for the kind words! It means a lot to hear that the revamp 
is
going down well 😊.

> I especially like the new page for Tools:
> https://orgmode.org/tools.html
>
> The only nitpick I’d have on that page is that we’re grabbing 
> the
> picture from remote domains, which means that users of uMatrix 
> have to
> greenlight them before they can be displayed.  A solution could 
> be to
> host them ourselves, which should have a minimal footprint.

The plan is actually to move this page over to Worg, once the 
stylesheet
for Worg has been adjusted to allow for such column layouts. I'll 
bear
this in mind for when it's ported over :)

--
Timothy

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Jude DaShiell]

Can orgmode when doing an html export that has images without alt= tags
filled in give an exporter an option to supply descriptions for those
images if not done earlier in the html creation process?  How would
someone earlier in the html creation process before export stage
correctly associate an alt= tag with description with an image?  I'm
asking these questions for #a11y purposes.  Unless subsequent
development changed, orgmode cannot make accessible pdf files.  So if
this question remains relevant inside of a pdf file created by orgmode
does some indicator exist stating this pdf file was created by orgmode?
If you know that and you need something accessible you can contact the
originator of the file and ask them to use adobe and make the pdf file
accessible once you find the orgmode indicator in the file.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020, Carsten Dominik wrote:

> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 06:19:49
> From: Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl>
> To: Bastien <bzg@gnu.org>
> Cc: org-mode list <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>, TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!
>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 11:11 AM Carsten Dominik <dominik@uva.nl> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I like it!
> >
> > :)
> >
> > Carsten
> >
> > P.S.  One of the pages advertises that this
> >
> >        [[
> > https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Konigsberg_bridges.png
> > ]]
> >
> > should inline an image.  Does not do it yet for me.  What am I missing?
> >
>
> Never mind, it works in export, not tin the buffer.  Still, the text on the
> webpage is a bit confusing.
>
> Carsten
>
>
> >
> > Carsten
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> thanks to the initiative and the patient efforts of Timothy, our
> >> website has been revamped: new contents, new look and... the old
> >> unicorn!
> >>
> >> Thanks very much to Timothy and to everyone who contributed with
> >> feedback and ideas.
> >>
> >> This is a new basis that we will continue to polish and enhance.
> >>
> >> Enjoy :)
> >>
> >> https://orgmode.org
> >>
> >> --
> >>  Bastien
> >>
> >>
>

-- 

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Detlef Steuer]

Thank you for your elegant work!

One observation: The text width on Features, Releases and Install is
different for each. If I may choose, I choose the width of "Install".

But great work anyway!

Detlef

Am Mon, 26 Oct 2020 17:44:16 +0800
schrieb TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com>:

> Hi Everyone, just a quick note from me:
> 
> Regarding the intermediate state, there are a few teething issues 
> that
> have appeared when deploying the site on orgmode.org.*
> 
> If we could hold off from announcing this on some of the more
> high-traffic forums till these get sorted out that would be 
> appreciated
> :) We want people to get the best possible first impression of the
> revamp after all.
> 
> Timothy.
> 
> 
> *The favicon, font, and .gif files are not served properly ATM for 
>  example
> 

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[gyro funch]

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On 10/26/2020 4:27 AM, TEC wrote:
> 
> TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> there are a few teething issues that have appeared when deploying the
>> site on orgmode.org.
> 
> These issues have now been fixed! Go wild :P
> 
> I've taken the liberty of making a post on reddit:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/jic3ww/the_org_website_has_been_revamped/
> 
> 
> Once again, thanks to everyone who's helped out with this!
> 
> Timothy.
> 
> 

The new site looks really great!

If we stumble upon minor issues (e.g., typos), what would be the best
way to notify you?

-gyro



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Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Daniele Nicolodi]

On 26/10/2020 11:27, TEC wrote:
> 
> TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com> writes:
> 
>> there are a few teething issues that have appeared when 
>> deploying the
>> site on orgmode.org.
> 
> These issues have now been fixed! Go wild :P
> 
> I've taken the liberty of making a post on reddit:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/jic3ww/the_org_website_has_been_revamped/
> 
> Once again, thanks to everyone who's helped out with this!
> 
> Timothy.

I like the new design. Thank you for your work!

Two things:

- in Firefox on a macOS machine, the colophon renders as "Made with XX
by TEC" with the XX being an Unicode replacement character. What is it
supposed to be?

- (minor) I would add a background to the example in the home page to
make it stand out more as an example org-mode syntax buffer

- (very minor) why does the example on the home page need to be an SVG
file? It would be very cool if it could be copy and pasted, but right
now it is not possible (with Firefox, at least)

Cheers,
Dan

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[TEC]

gyro funch <gyromagnetic@gmail.com> writes:

> The new site looks really great!

Thanks 😊

> If we stumble upon minor issues (e.g., typos), what would be the 
> best
> way to notify you?

A quick email works fine for that :) and I'm also happy with 
github
issues: https://github.com/tecosaur/orgmode.org/issues/new

All the best,
Timothy

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Jack Kamm]

Thank you Timothy! It looks great.

Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> writes:

> Dear all,
>
> thanks to the initiative and the patient efforts of Timothy, our
> website has been revamped: new contents, new look and... the old
> unicorn!
>
> Thanks very much to Timothy and to everyone who contributed with
> feedback and ideas.
>
> This is a new basis that we will continue to polish and enhance.
>
> Enjoy :)
>
> https://orgmode.org
>
> -- 
>  Bastien

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Nick Dokos]

One thing that I have done in the past (and I'm probably not the onlye
one) on the Emacs SE is refer people to the mailing list through the
old link: https://orgmode.ord/community.html which does not exist any
more, so we have a whole lot of broken links on Emacs SE at the moment:
can something be done to restore the functionality of those links?

Thanks!
-- 
Nick

"There are only two hard problems in computer science: cache
invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors." -Martin Fowler

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[TEC]

Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com> writes:

> One thing that I have done in the past (and I'm probably not the 
> onlye
> one) on the Emacs SE is refer people to the mailing list through 
> the
> old link: https://orgmode.ord/community.html which does not 
> exist any
> more, so we have a whole lot of broken links on Emacs SE at the 
> moment:
> can something be done to restore the functionality of those 
> links?
>
> Thanks!

A nginx redirect to 
https://orgmode.org/contribute.html#mailing-list or
https://orgmode.org/index.html#chatting is probably the best 
approach.

I'm not sure how Bastien feels about me adding redirects without 
asking,
so I'll talk to him about that.

How does that sound?

Timothy

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[TEC]

Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net> writes:

> I like the new design. Thank you for your work!

Thanks for the kind words!

> Two things:
*cough, Three 😆

> - in Firefox on a macOS machine, the colophon renders as "Made 
> with XX
> by TEC" with the XX being an Unicode replacement character. What 
> is it
> supposed to be?

Currently a brown heart, though I've actually had a better, less 
tacky
idea. You'll see it in a day or two ;)

> - (minor) I would add a background to the example in the home 
> page to
> make it stand out more as an example org-mode syntax buffer

Hmm, I've got mixed feelings about that. I kinda like how smoothly 
it
fits in at the moment, and I wouldn't want to jeopardise that. If 
we can
have it fit in smoothly, and more clearly be a example that would 
be
great though :)

> - (very minor) why does the example on the home page need to be 
> an SVG
> file? It would be very cool if it could be copy and pasted, but 
> right
> now it is not possible (with Firefox, at least)

That sounds like a good idea! I'll see if I can do that 
(medium-term).
PRs welcome as usual of course 😛

Thanks for the feedback,

Timothy.

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Daniele Nicolodi]

On 26/10/2020 14:54, Daniele Nicolodi wrote:
> On 26/10/2020 11:27, TEC wrote:
>>
>> TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> there are a few teething issues that have appeared when 
>>> deploying the
>>> site on orgmode.org.
>>
>> These issues have now been fixed! Go wild :P
>>
>> I've taken the liberty of making a post on reddit:
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/jic3ww/the_org_website_has_been_revamped/
>>
>> Once again, thanks to everyone who's helped out with this!
>>
>> Timothy.
> 
> I like the new design. Thank you for your work!

By the way, what's the theme used to create the GIFs in the Features page?

Cheers,
Dan

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[TEC]

Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net> writes:

> On 26/10/2020 14:54, Daniele Nicolodi wrote:
>> On 26/10/2020 11:27, TEC wrote:
>>>
>>> TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> there are a few teething issues that have appeared when 
>>>> deploying the
>>>> site on orgmode.org.
>>>
>>> These issues have now been fixed! Go wild :P
>>>
>>> I've taken the liberty of making a post on reddit:
>>> https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/jic3ww/the_org_website_has_been_revamped/
>>>
>>> Once again, thanks to everyone who's helped out with this!
>>>
>>> Timothy.
>> 
>> I like the new design. Thank you for your work!
>
> By the way, what's the theme used to create the GIFs in the 
> Features page?

I've just added a section on creating the Gifs/Svgs to the 
colophon:
https://orgmode.org/worg/org-site-colophon.html

How's that?

It would be good to re-record them as webm files, but making the 
Gifs
was enough for me 😆 (also would be nice to see something happen 
with
https://gitlab.com/ambrevar/emacs-gif-screencast/-/issues/24).

All the best,

Timothy

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Daniele Nicolodi]

On 26/10/2020 15:26, TEC wrote:
> 
> Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net> writes:
> 
>> I like the new design. Thank you for your work!
> 
> Thanks for the kind words!
> 
>> Two things:
> *cough, Three 😆

Indeed, I thought about the third one while writing the first two...

>> - in Firefox on a macOS machine, the colophon renders as "Made 
>> with XX
>> by TEC" with the XX being an Unicode replacement character. What 
>> is it
>> supposed to be?
> 
> Currently a brown heart, though I've actually had a better, less 
> tacky
> idea. You'll see it in a day or two ;)

Do you have any idea while it does not seem to be understood by Firefox
on macOS? It seem to be an emoji character... as the unicode replacement
char does not look that nice, what about replacing it with a more
commonly supported gliph? Or an embeeded SVG, maybe?

>> - (minor) I would add a background to the example in the home 
>> page to
>> make it stand out more as an example org-mode syntax buffer
> 
> Hmm, I've got mixed feelings about that. I kinda like how smoothly 
> it
> fits in at the moment, and I wouldn't want to jeopardise that. If 
> we can
> have it fit in smoothly, and more clearly be a example that would 
> be
> great though :)

IMHO a very light gray background would not compromise the design and
make the example stand out as such.

Cheers,
Dan

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Eric S Fraga]

On Monday, 26 Oct 2020 at 14:54, Daniele Nicolodi wrote:
> - (minor) I would add a background to the example in the home page to
> make it stand out more as an example org-mode syntax buffer

This bothered me as well when I visited the site.  I think it would help
to have something, however minor, to make it clear that the image stand
is not part of the text, e.g. even a thin border around the image would
do it.

Otherwise, the site looks great.

Thank you.
-- 
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4-61-ga88806.dirty

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Nick Dokos]

Sounds good to me.

And thanks for all the work to update the site!
-- 
Nick

"There are only two hard problems in computer science: cache
invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors." -Martin Fowler

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Jude DaShiell]

Unicorn is an old name for the modern day rhinoceros if what I read is
correct.

On Mon, 26 Oct 2020, Nick Dokos wrote:

> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 11:02:04
> From: Nick Dokos <ndokos@gmail.com>
> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!
>
> Sounds good to me.
>
> And thanks for all the work to update the site!
>

-- 
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significant giving.

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Diego Zamboni]

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The new website looks great. Thanks Timothy for all your work!

--Diego


On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Bastien <bzg@gnu.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> thanks to the initiative and the patient efforts of Timothy, our
> website has been revamped: new contents, new look and... the old
> unicorn!
>
> Thanks very much to Timothy and to everyone who contributed with
> feedback and ideas.
>
> This is a new basis that we will continue to polish and enhance.
>
> Enjoy :)
>
> https://orgmode.org
>
> --
>  Bastien
>
>

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Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Dante Catalfamo]

Wow, this new website looks absolutely amazing!

On 10/26/20 5:41 AM, Bastien wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> thanks to the initiative and the patient efforts of Timothy, our
> website has been revamped: new contents, new look and... the old
> unicorn!
> 
> Thanks very much to Timothy and to everyone who contributed with
> feedback and ideas.
> 
> This is a new basis that we will continue to polish and enhance.
> 
> Enjoy :)
> 
> https://orgmode.org
> 

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Greg Newman]

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It looks fantastic!!  Great work. The tools page is really nice.

I love seeing my revamp of the logo on the site.

Cheers,

Greg Newman

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:56 PM Dante Catalfamo <dante@lambda.cx> wrote:

> Wow, this new website looks absolutely amazing!
>
> On 10/26/20 5:41 AM, Bastien wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > thanks to the initiative and the patient efforts of Timothy, our
> > website has been revamped: new contents, new look and... the old
> > unicorn!
> >
> > Thanks very much to Timothy and to everyone who contributed with
> > feedback and ideas.
> >
> > This is a new basis that we will continue to polish and enhance.
> >
> > Enjoy :)
> >
> > https://orgmode.org
> >
>
>

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Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[TEC]

Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

> On Monday, 26 Oct 2020 at 14:54, Daniele Nicolodi wrote:
>> - (minor) I would add a background to the example in the home 
>> page to
>> make it stand out more as an example org-mode syntax buffer
>
> This bothered me as well when I visited the site.  I think it 
> would help
> to have something, however minor, to make it clear that the 
> image stand
> is not part of the text, e.g. even a thin border around the 
> image would
> do it.

How does this look?
https://i.imgur.com/peTajuN.png

> Otherwise, the site looks great.
> Thank you.

Thanks for the kind words :)

Timothy.

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Neil Cherry]

Wow, just learned a few new things about org-mode by a quick look at the new pages.
Now I have to learn more things. (I really hate you guys! ;-) )

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Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Tom Gillespie]

The image is a bit off center no?

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 1:27 PM TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> writes:
>
> > On Monday, 26 Oct 2020 at 14:54, Daniele Nicolodi wrote:
> >> - (minor) I would add a background to the example in the home
> >> page to
> >> make it stand out more as an example org-mode syntax buffer
> >
> > This bothered me as well when I visited the site.  I think it
> > would help
> > to have something, however minor, to make it clear that the
> > image stand
> > is not part of the text, e.g. even a thin border around the
> > image would
> > do it.
>
> How does this look?
> https://i.imgur.com/peTajuN.png
>
> > Otherwise, the site looks great.
> > Thank you.
>
> Thanks for the kind words :)
>
> Timothy.
>
>

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Scott Randby]

On 10/26/20 5:41 AM, Bastien wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> thanks to the initiative and the patient efforts of Timothy, our
> website has been revamped: new contents, new look and... the old
> unicorn!

The new site is wonderful. The Features page is especially useful. Now my friends and students can easily see why Org is so great.

Scott Randby

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Carsten Dominik]

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On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:28 PM Scott Randby <srandby@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/26/20 5:41 AM, Bastien wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > thanks to the initiative and the patient efforts of Timothy, our
> > website has been revamped: new contents, new look and... the old
> > unicorn!
>
> The new site is wonderful. The Features page is especially useful. Now my
> friends and students can easily see why Org is so great.
>

Yes, in particular the animated examples are totally cool.

Carsten


> Scott Randby
>
>

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Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Eric S Fraga]

On Tuesday, 27 Oct 2020 at 01:14, TEC wrote:
> How does this look?

Looks better, thank you.

-- 
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4-61-ga88806.dirty

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Eric S Fraga]

On Tuesday, 27 Oct 2020 at 08:15, Carsten Dominik wrote:
> Yes, in particular the animated examples are totally cool.

+1

-- 
: Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50, Org release_9.4-61-ga88806.dirty

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[JRSS]

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I've been using org for two years and the new website made me realize I can maybe help (with the "yes. Do this" link) simply by joining the email list and help with documentation. I'm not a coder (baby steps, here and there) but I've been blogging about org for a while.

The website is awesome. Thanks for making it! Also, hello world.

-------- Original Message --------
On Oct 26, 2020, 06:34, stardiviner wrote:

> New website looks clean and elegant, thanks TEC.
>
> TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Hi Everyone, just a quick note from me:
>>
>> Regarding the intermediate state, there are a few teething issues
>> that
>> have appeared when deploying the site on orgmode.org.*
>>
>> If we could hold off from announcing this on some of the more
>> high-traffic forums till these get sorted out that would be
>> appreciated
>> :) We want people to get the best possible first impression of the
>> revamp after all.
>>
>> Timothy.
>>
>>
>> *The favicon, font, and .gif files are not served properly ATM for
>> example
>
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>
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Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[TEC]

Hi JRSS, great to hear from you!

JRSS <jarss@protonmail.com> writes:

> I've been using org for two years and the new website made me 
> realize I can maybe help (with the "yes. Do this" link) simply 
> by joining the email list and help with documentation. I'm not a 
> coder (baby steps, here and there) but I've been blogging about 
> org for a while.

That's brilliant! We know that the documentation could do with 
some
work, so if that something you're willing to help improve that 
would be
fantastic! IIRC there's been some talk previously about what the
documentation could benefit most from --- perhaps someone else has 
a
link. Don't hesitate to reach out if you want any help.

> The website is awesome. Thanks for making it! Also, hello world.

Thanks for the kind words, and for getting in touch. I look 
forward to
seeing you around the ML :)

Timothy.

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Leslie Watter]

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The new website is awesome!
Great Work Timothy!

It also helped me discover some new/old features that org-mode has.

Congratulations and thanks for all all of your work!

Cheers,

LEslie

On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 9:17 AM TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Hi JRSS, great to hear from you!
>
> JRSS <jarss@protonmail.com> writes:
>
> > I've been using org for two years and the new website made me
> > realize I can maybe help (with the "yes. Do this" link) simply
> > by joining the email list and help with documentation. I'm not a
> > coder (baby steps, here and there) but I've been blogging about
> > org for a while.
>
> That's brilliant! We know that the documentation could do with
> some
> work, so if that something you're willing to help improve that
> would be
> fantastic! IIRC there's been some talk previously about what the
> documentation could benefit most from --- perhaps someone else has
> a
> link. Don't hesitate to reach out if you want any help.
>
> > The website is awesome. Thanks for making it! Also, hello world.
>
> Thanks for the kind words, and for getting in touch. I look
> forward to
> seeing you around the ML :)
>
> Timothy.
>
>

-- 
Leslie H. Watter

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Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[TEC]

Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net> writes:

> - (minor) I would add a background to the example in the home 
> page to
> make it stand out more as an example org-mode syntax buffer
>
> - (very minor) why does the example on the home page need to be 
> an SVG
> file? It would be very cool if it could be copy and pasted, but 
> right
> now it is not possible (with Firefox, at least)

So, I've turned these "minor" comments into a major revamp of the 
demo
(that I am inordinately happy with) --- following a brilliant 
suggestion
from someone on HN.

In case it's of interest you can see the HEAD^ + unstaged changes
version of the site at https://orgmode.tecosaur.com/ I've also 
tweaked
some of the styling in light of other feedback I received (the
announcement has been great for feedback!).

--
Timothy

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Daniele Nicolodi]

On 28/10/2020 13:25, TEC wrote:
> 
> Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net> writes:
> 
>> - (minor) I would add a background to the example in the home 
>> page to
>> make it stand out more as an example org-mode syntax buffer
>>
>> - (very minor) why does the example on the home page need to be 
>> an SVG
>> file? It would be very cool if it could be copy and pasted, but 
>> right
>> now it is not possible (with Firefox, at least)
> 
> So, I've turned these "minor" comments into a major revamp of the 
> demo
> (that I am inordinately happy with) --- following a brilliant 
> suggestion
> from someone on HN.

Great work! it looks very nice and informative at the same time.

If I can bikeshed a bit more: I like the lighter page background that is
currently on http://orgomode.org more than the darker one in the new
version.

Cheers,
Dan

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Ken Mankoff]

On 2020-10-28 at 08:40 -07, Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net> wrote...
> If I can bikeshed a bit more: I like the lighter page background that
> is currently on http://orgomode.org more than the darker one in the
> new version.

A few more minor comments based on the current version at https://orgmode.tecosaur.com/

1) Code block should use some coloring for header blocks and code body. The current theme highlights almost everything else but the header and code background.

2 and more important) Use the most popular language to get the most people interested. There are probably a lot more Python programmers than shell scripters. I suggest the code example should be a minimal (~6 lines?) of Python that produces either (or both) a simple graph or ~3 column table.

Also, I just noticed you can click on the sections (sections, babel header, results) to collapse them! :).

Which led me to an Org bug: The TODO Is 28 % complete, or 2/7, but 2/7*100 = 28.5714285714, so I think it should be 29 % complete.

  -k.

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Dante Catalfamo]

Wow! I'm a big fan of the subtle checkered background and reduced 
"Created by" bar, along with the changed background of the top menu bar; 
it makes the homepage much easier on the eyes. The example org-mode file 
with commentary is a big improvement for letting new folks know how a 
file is laid out as well.

This new website is really incredible, thank you for all the work you've 
put into it!

On 10/28/20 8:25 AM, TEC wrote:
> 
> Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net> writes:
> 
>> - (minor) I would add a background to the example in the home page to
>> make it stand out more as an example org-mode syntax buffer
>>
>> - (very minor) why does the example on the home page need to be an SVG
>> file? It would be very cool if it could be copy and pasted, but right
>> now it is not possible (with Firefox, at least)
> 
> So, I've turned these "minor" comments into a major revamp of the demo
> (that I am inordinately happy with) --- following a brilliant suggestion
> from someone on HN.
> 
> In case it's of interest you can see the HEAD^ + unstaged changes
> version of the site at https://orgmode.tecosaur.com/ I've also tweaked
> some of the styling in light of other feedback I received (the
> announcement has been great for feedback!).
> 
> -- 
> Timothy
> 

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[TEC]

Let's do two at once:

Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net> writes:

> Great work! it looks very nice and informative at the same time.
That's the idea! :D

> If I can bikeshed a bit more: I like the lighter page background 
> that is
> currently on http://orgomode.org more than the darker one in the 
> new
> version.

See the current. It's slightly tweaked, but you're not getting 
#fff :P


Ken Mankoff <mankoff@gmail.com> writes:

> A few more minor comments based on the current version at 
> https://orgmode.tecosaur.com/
>
> 1) Code block should use some coloring for header blocks and 
> code body. The current theme highlights almost everything else 
> but the header and code background.

WDYM? I took the current colouring from an Org file that I 
created.

> 2 and more important) Use the most popular language to get the 
> most people interested. There are probably a lot more Python 
> programmers than shell scripters. I suggest the code example 
> should be a minimal (~6 lines?) of Python that produces either 
> (or both) a simple graph or ~3 column table.

Hmmm. This seems sensible. I've tweaked the example. I may make it
something website-related later (to fit in with the other 
content).
Suggestions welcome.

> Also, I just noticed you can click on the sections (sections, 
> babel header, results) to collapse them! :).

Indeed! You can click on:
 - the headers
 - the #+begin_src and #+RESULTS
 - the image and style.scss links
 - oh, and the timestamp highlights

> Which led me to an Org bug: The TODO Is 28 % complete, or 2/7, 
> but 2/7*100 = 28.5714285714, so I think it should be 29 % 
> complete.

Well, at least I'm accurate to Org :P

--
Timothy

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Daniele Nicolodi]

On 28/10/2020 17:59, TEC wrote:
> 
> Let's do two at once:
> 
> Daniele Nicolodi <daniele@grinta.net> writes:
> 
>> Great work! it looks very nice and informative at the same time.
> That's the idea! :D
> 
>> If I can bikeshed a bit more: I like the lighter page background 
>> that is
>> currently on http://orgomode.org more than the darker one in the 
>> new
>> version.
> 
> See the current. It's slightly tweaked, but you're not getting 
> #fff :P

I like this version. Thank you.

>> 2 and more important) Use the most popular language to get the 
>> most people interested. There are probably a lot more Python 
>> programmers than shell scripters. I suggest the code example 
>> should be a minimal (~6 lines?) of Python that produces either 
>> (or both) a simple graph or ~3 column table.
> 
> Hmmm. This seems sensible. I've tweaked the example. I may make it
> something website-related later (to fit in with the other 
> content).
> Suggestions welcome.

The source block now says that the code is shell, but it looks like
Python to me :-)

Cheers,
Dan

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Stefan Nobis]

Hi.

Thanks for your great work and the wonderful new page!

A minor detail: I use the plugin "Decentraleyes" and with this
activated there is quite a bit JavaScript garbage at the end of the
page (below the "Created by" footer). The part below the footer is
this:

#+begin_src js
{ const iframes = window.top.document.querySelectorAll("iframe[sandbox]"); for (var i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) { if (iframes[i].contentWindow) { if (iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D) { iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData = CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData; } if (iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement) { iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob = HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob; iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL = HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL; } } } }{ const iframes = window.top.document.querySelectorAll("iframe[sandbox]"); for (var i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) { if (iframes[i].contentWindow) { if (iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D) { iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData = CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData; } if (iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement) { iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob = HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob; iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL = HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL; } } } }{ const iframes = window.top.document.querySelectorAll("iframe[sandbox]"); for (var i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) { if (iframes[i].contentWindow) { if (iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D) { iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData = CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData; } if (iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement) { iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob = HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob; iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL = HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL; } } } }{ const iframes = window.top.document.querySelectorAll("iframe[sandbox]"); for (var i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) { if (iframes[i].contentWindow) { if (iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D) { iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData = CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData; } if (iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement) { iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob = HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob; iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL = HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL; } } } }
#+end_src

When I deactivate Decentraleyes and reload the page, the above code
snippet vanishes. This glitch is present both on the official page and
on https://orgmode.tecosaur.com. It seems, there is some weird
interaction with some script from a CDN (maybe loaded partially due to
constraints from the plugin) or something like that.

-- 
Until the next mail...,
Stefan.

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[TEC]

Hi Stefan,

This seems very suspicious for one reason. I cannot see "Canvas"
anywhere in the entire codebase of the website, or any loaded 
resources.
So I have no idea where on earth the JS you're finding has come 
from -
I'm guessing it's improperly injected by a extension. FWIW I also 
run
Decentraleyes in Firefox and fail to see your issue.

--
Timothy

Stefan Nobis <stefan-ml@snobis.de> writes:

> Hi.
>
> Thanks for your great work and the wonderful new page!
>
> A minor detail: I use the plugin "Decentraleyes" and with this
> activated there is quite a bit JavaScript garbage at the end of 
> the
> page (below the "Created by" footer). The part below the footer 
> is
> this:
>
> #+begin_src js
> { const iframes = 
> window.top.document.querySelectorAll("iframe[sandbox]"); for 
> (var i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) { if 
> (iframes[i].contentWindow) { if 
> (iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D) { 
> iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData 
> = CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData; } if 
> (iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement) { 
> iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob = 
> HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob; 
> iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL = 
> HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL; } } } }{ const iframes = 
> window.top.document.querySelectorAll("iframe[sandbox]"); for 
> (var i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) { if 
> (iframes[i].contentWindow) { if 
> (iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D) { 
> iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData 
> = CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData; } if 
> (iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement) { 
> iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob = 
> HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob; 
> iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL = 
> HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL; } } } }{ const iframes = 
> window.top.document.querySelectorAll("iframe[sandbox]"); for 
> (var i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) { if 
> (iframes[i].contentWindow) { if 
> (iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D) { 
> iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData 
> = CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData; } if 
> (iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement) { 
> iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob = 
> HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob; 
> iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL = 
> HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL; } } } }{ const iframes = 
> window.top.document.querySelectorAll("iframe[sandbox]"); for 
> (var i = 0; i < iframes.length; i++) { if 
> (iframes[i].contentWindow) { if 
> (iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D) { 
> iframes[i].contentWindow.CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData 
> = CanvasRenderingContext2D.prototype.getImageData; } if 
> (iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement) { 
> iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob = 
> HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toBlob; 
> iframes[i].contentWindow.HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL = 
> HTMLCanvasElement.prototype.toDataURL; } } } }
> #+end_src
>
> When I deactivate Decentraleyes and reload the page, the above 
> code
> snippet vanishes. This glitch is present both on the official 
> page and
> on https://orgmode.tecosaur.com. It seems, there is some weird
> interaction with some script from a CDN (maybe loaded partially 
> due to
> constraints from the plugin) or something like that.

Re: New website - back to the old unicorn!

[Stefan Nobis]

TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com> writes:

> This seems very suspicious for one reason. I cannot see "Canvas"
> anywhere in the entire codebase of the website, or any loaded
> resources. So I have no idea where on earth the JS you're finding
> has come from - I'm guessing it's improperly injected by a
> extension. FWIW I also run Decentraleyes in Firefox and fail to see
> your issue.

Thanks for your response. So maybe a local error (I think I deactivate
all plugins bug Decentraleyes, but maybe its the combination of
Decentraleyes with Vivaldi or I made another mistake). I will
investigate further when I have a bit more time. For now please assume
this issue as resolved. :)

-- 
Until the next mail...,
Stefan.