Re: org-plus-contrib: Invalid function: org-no-popups

[Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de>]

Bastien writes:
> Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> writes:
>> I happen to think that this suggestion goes too far (if you think nobody
>> should use OIrg from ELPA, then you'd need to stop making it available
>> there and hopefully we already agreed that this isn't an option).  
>
> No, we did not agreed this isn't an option.

My reading comprehension may be at an all-time low, but this is what you
wrote in another thread:

>>> This [removing Org from ELPA -ed] is using Org users as hostages, I
>>> don't want to do this.

> I think this is an option.

Hm… I'm obviously missing some piece.

> How can you make sure that Org-mode has not been used before people 
> want to install an updated version through GNU/Org ELPA?

That's what the patch does that you didn't like.

> I can't think of any good way.
>
> Until someone have an idea about this, I'm very serious about removing
> the possibility of installing Org through ELPA.  But as I said I won't
> do this before getting a sense of what the users use and expect.

There are exactly two possibilities to get into this situation:

The first is using Org anything before opening the package manager.  I
think it should be possible to educate users that it's better t use a
fresh Emacs instance for updating or installing packages until this has
been fixed in package manager.

The second are things like starter-kit.  I'm thinking that it should be
the responsibility of such software to load and unload Org if they
really need to use it before activating packages and ask for support
from Emacs devs in how to do this properly.  Package manager is a first
class citizen of Emacs by now which means any add-on has to cope with
its existence.  It's interesting to see that the bugs seem to get
chalked up to the packages that are in ELPA rather than the mechanisms
that install them (or prevent proper initialization of Emacs) and it
kind of seems to fly under the radar for this reason even though it
seems to affect many users and has had for quite some time already.


Regards,
Achim.
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