New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Bastien]

Hi all,

I wrote a new tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas:
http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-spreadsheet-lisp-formulas.html

Enjoy,

-- 
 Bastien

Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Achim Gratz]

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:

> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-spreadsheet-lisp-formulas.html

Great.

Now, I've long wished that instead of cramming these increasingly long
formulas into that single #+TBLFM line one could have a :TBLFM: drawer
and put it there on multiple lines and perhaps even with comments.  How
awesome would that be?  :-)


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> writes:

> Now, I've long wished that instead of cramming these increasingly long
> formulas into that single #+TBLFM line one could have a :TBLFM: drawer
> and put it there on multiple lines and perhaps even with comments.  How
> awesome would that be?  :-)

Multiple #+tblfm: lines would certainly be useful, as there already is
multiple #+header: lines.

Though, a table and a drawer are different elements. Affiliated keywords
shouldn't be separated from the element they belong.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Achim Gratz]

Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> writes:
> Multiple #+tblfm: lines would certainly be useful, as there already is
> multiple #+header: lines.

I still think that the syntax for these is unnecessarily clumsy.

> Though, a table and a drawer are different elements. Affiliated keywords
> shouldn't be separated from the element they belong.

Would introducing a different syntax for multiline "keyword" elements
be a possibility?  Like:

:+TBLFM:
 ; There be dragons!
:END:

#+BEGIN_SRC emacs_lisp
:+HEADERS:
  :var data1=1
  :var data2=2
:END:
  (message "data1:%S, data2:%S" data1 data2)
#END_SRC

It should look & feel like a drawer for the user, IMHO.


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> writes:

I don't see what is clumsy with affiliated keywords.

> #+BEGIN_SRC emacs_lisp
> :+HEADERS:
>   :var data1=1
>   :var data2=2
> :END:
>   (message "data1:%S, data2:%S" data1 data2)
> #END_SRC

Src-blocks are elements. As such, they can't contain drawers. Though,
drawers can contain src-blocks.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Achim Gratz]

Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> writes:
> I don't see what is clumsy with affiliated keywords.

Well, you write the arguments before starting the source block, getting
everything wardbacks (and I don't think that's easier to parse, but you
would know better(*)).  Then there is the verbosity of the headers
themselves, but that's an argument based on aesthetics.  Last but not
least I can never remember if any of the "#+" stuff is supposed to end
with a ":" and whether it wants another ":" in front of the arguments or
not.

(*) Reminds me I'll have to try what happens if I write header arguments
that are detached from the source block.  Devious, I know, but the
manual does not really specify anything.

>> #+BEGIN_SRC emacs_lisp
>> :+HEADERS:
>>   :var data1=1
>>   :var data2=2
>> :END:
>>   (message "data1:%S, data2:%S" data1 data2)
>> #END_SRC
>
> Src-blocks are elements. As such, they can't contain drawers.

If you look carefully, that source block above does not contain a
drawer.  It has a (hypothetical) associated multiline header argument
that happens to look and feel like a drawer.

> Though, drawers can contain src-blocks.

Is there any specification that they must fully contain them?

Anyway, that was just an idea and if nobody likes it, that's fine with
me, too.


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Nicolas Goaziou]

Hello,

Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> writes:

> Nicolas Goaziou <n.goaziou@gmail.com> writes:
>> I don't see what is clumsy with affiliated keywords.
>
> Well, you write the arguments before starting the source block, getting
> everything wardbacks (and I don't think that's easier to parse, but you
> would know better(*)).

I think you're mixing src blocks and Babel. A src block contains,
fontifies and allows to edit source code. Babel arguments (or caption,
or name) are meta-data that applies to the whole src block element, not
to its contents.

> Last but not least I can never remember if any of the "#+" stuff is
> supposed to end with a ":"

Affiliated keywords all do. If one doesn't, it's a bug.

> and whether it wants another ":" in front of the arguments or not.

That's another topic, and I agree that, at one point or another, we'll
have to unify the way parameters are written. IMO, Babel usage is a good
standard.

> (*) Reminds me I'll have to try what happens if I write header
> arguments that are detached from the source block.  Devious, I know,
> but the manual does not really specify anything.

But Org elements does. Affiliated keywords must be attached to their
relative element.

> If you look carefully, that source block above does not contain a
> drawer.  It has a (hypothetical) associated multiline header argument
> that happens to look and feel like a drawer.

Then it's a duck.

>> Though, drawers can contain src-blocks.
>
> Is there any specification that they must fully contain them?

You may want to read comments in org-element.el. I also posted some
explanations when I announced the library.

> Anyway, that was just an idea and if nobody likes it, that's fine with
> me, too.

I just wanted to let you know that the idea of putting "quasi-drawers"
within a src-block is against the model described by the current parser.


Regards,

-- 
Nicolas Goaziou

Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Jude DaShiell]

If multiple #+TBLFM: lines do ever get into legal org-mode syntax I 
think it will be a good idea to put an integer number inside the 
#+TBLFM: label so that org-mode can know in what order to use each of 
those lines.

On Tue, 31 Jan 2012, Nicolas Goaziou wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> writes:
> 
> > Now, I've long wished that instead of cramming these increasingly long
> > formulas into that single #+TBLFM line one could have a :TBLFM: drawer
> > and put it there on multiple lines and perhaps even with comments.  How
> > awesome would that be?  :-)
> 
> Multiple #+tblfm: lines would certainly be useful, as there already is
> multiple #+header: lines.
> 
> Though, a table and a drawer are different elements. Affiliated keywords
> shouldn't be separated from the element they belong.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 

----------------------------------------------------------------
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<http://www.shellworld.net/~jdashiel/nj.html>

Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Carsten Dominik]

On 31.1.2012, at 19:33, Achim Gratz wrote:

> Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:
> 
>> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-spreadsheet-lisp-formulas.html
> 
> Great.
> 
> Now, I've long wished that instead of cramming these increasingly long
> formulas into that single #+TBLFM line one could have a :TBLFM: drawer
> and put it there on multiple lines and perhaps even with comments.  How
> awesome would that be?  :-)

Bastien already mentions that you can use C-c '  to edit the formulas.
What is less well known is that if you press TAB in one of those formulas
in the formula editor, the list form is pretty-printed - this goes a long
way for readability and editability.

- Carsten

> 
> 
> Regards,
> Achim.
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> 
> Factory and User Sound Singles for Waldorf Blofeld:
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> 
> 

Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Achim Gratz]

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> Bastien already mentions that you can use C-c '  to edit the formulas.
> What is less well known is that if you press TAB in one of those formulas
> in the formula editor, the list form is pretty-printed - this goes a long
> way for readability and editability.

Indeed I did not know that, thanks for mentioning.  But I'm just as
concerned about the look of that line when browsing the document and the
pretty-printing for edit doesn't help with that.


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Carsten Dominik]

On 1.2.2012, at 07:37, Achim Gratz wrote:

> Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
>> Bastien already mentions that you can use C-c '  to edit the formulas.
>> What is less well known is that if you press TAB in one of those formulas
>> in the formula editor, the list form is pretty-printed - this goes a long
>> way for readability and editability.
> 
> Indeed I did not know that, thanks for mentioning.  But I'm just as
> concerned about the look of that line when browsing the document and the
> pretty-printing for edit doesn't help with that.

The line is really not meant for looking nice in the buffer.  maybe we should have an option for making (much of it) invisible.
I don't really mind, because I always work with truncate-line set to t, so the line never bothers me.

- Carsten

> 
> 
> Regards,
> Achim.
> -- 
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> 
> SD adaptation for Waldorf Blofeld V1.15B11:
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> 
> 

Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Bastien]

Achim Gratz <Stromeko@nexgo.de> writes:

> But I'm just as
> concerned about the look of that line when browsing the document and the
> pretty-printing for edit doesn't help with that.

What about

#+begin_tblfm
...
...
#+end_tblfm

?

-- 
 Bastien

Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Achim Gratz]

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:
> #+begin_tblfm
> ...
> ...
> #+end_tblfm

That has other problems I think.  The idea is that the formulas are out
of sight until you need them and so that block would need to be special
w.r.t. visibility.  Although if the #+TBLFM: content can be hidden by
default, as Carsten hinted at, then everything else could easily stay as
it is.  Maybe even jump directly to the formula edit buffer with TAB if
the user wants this to happen.


Regards,
Achim.
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Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Bastien]

Hi Carsten,

Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:

> Bastien already mentions that you can use C-c '  to edit the formulas.
> What is less well known is that if you press TAB in one of those formulas
> in the formula editor, the list form is pretty-printed - this goes a long
> way for readability and editability.

I forgot to mention this because... I just discovered it :)

I added a note in this turorial about TAB in the formulas editor.

That's what I like about writing tutorials: that's the best way 
to teach yourself something new!

Thanks,

-- 
 Bastien

Re: New tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas

[Eric S Fraga]

Bastien <bzg@altern.org> writes:

> Hi all,
>
> I wrote a new tutorial on using Emacs lisp for Org spreadsheet formulas:
> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-spreadsheet-lisp-formulas.html
>
> Enjoy,

Excellent tutorial!  Very helpful.  Thanks.

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: using Org-mode version 7.8.03 (release_7.8.03.285.g646b3)