Re: Slight problems with links

[Emmanuel Charpentier <emm.charpentier@free.fr>]

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Dear John,
Le lundi 29 avril 2019 à 16:57 -0400, John Kitchin a écrit :
> For org-ref, there isn't much magic on what happens on export. LaTeX
> is certainly the most well supported, and it seems like org -> latex
> -> pandoc is the only way that makes sense to get to docx to me. 
> Using pandoc on org files directly is probably hopeless unless you
> can get pandoc to include some definitions for the org-ref links.

This might be difficult : the development of ox-pandoc seems to not be
very active at the moment...
> Some of the link types in org-ref have some exports defined for org,
> html, latex, sometimes ascii. If one of these works well with pandoc
> we could try to make them output something useful for them, or at
> least make sure that org->org export turns them into something
> useful. 

I'm currently looking at the ox-latex exporter in order to understand
what it does for source blocks with org's names and captions (and try
to fix the fact that they are labeled and nubered as figures...). Theis
understanding might help me to go in the direction  you suggest.
> Getting figure/table numbers has always been tricky; I don't think
> this worked well with pandoc, and handling it on the org side
> requires some preprocessing to add numbers. For now, the ox-word
> exporter in scimax comes closest, but it isn't a feature I use a lot,
> so it hasn't been improved in a while.

Again, looking at what ox-latex does for org's names and captions might
be helpful. Ox-pandoc seems to do a decent job on docx output.
> John
> 
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> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 1:06 PM Emmanuel Charpentier <
> emm.charpentier@free.fr> wrote:
> > Dear list,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > one of my uses od org-mode is to prepare documents wrapping R (and
> > 
> > sometimes Sagemath) call results in interpretation text. My
> > reference
> > 
> > output is .pdf documents, but I *have* to prepare a .docx version
> > (for
> > 
> > use in managerial spheres, where computer literacy is *very* low.
> > 
> > Cross-references and citations are a sine qua non, maths are
> > useful.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I have been annoyed by a couple of deficiencies and inconsistencies
> > 
> > between exporters, so I prepared a test document testing various
> > cases.
> > 
> > This documents and some exports are attached (NE = Native exporter,
> > PE
> > 
> > = ox-pandoc exporter).
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > TL;DR :
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   * I tested the built-in latex/pdf exporter as well as ox-pandoc,
> > the
> > 
> > latter both for .pdf and .docx export. The built-in ODT exporter
> > 
> > doesn't export citations ; therefore, I didn't test it further.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   * org-ref's :labels and :refs do not export to anything but the
> > 
> > built-in latex exporter. The native system of #+NAME:s and
> > #+CAPTION:s,
> > 
> > a bit on the heavy side, seems not to fail (except that they do not
> > 
> > expand in a caption...).
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   * Maths, tables, figures are unproblematic.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   * The requirements of org-reftex, the built-in latex exporter and
> > ox-
> > 
> > pandoc being mutually incompatible, and some ingenuity is required.
> > see
> > 
> > the attached org source. Org-ref's requirements do not simplify the
> > 
> > situation...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   * Code snippets (i. e. source blocks exporting code) have a
> > 
> > captioning/numbering problem :
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     - With the built-in latex exporter, they are numbered and
> > labeled
> > 
> > as figures.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     - The pandoc latex exporter numbers them separately (as seen by
> > 
> > referencing them), but do not output this number (nor the category)
> > 
> > before the caption.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     - The pandoc .docx exporter works as advertised.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > So I have a couple of questions:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   * What can be done to reconcile org-ref's, latex-exporter's and
> > ox-
> > 
> > pandoc's requirements for bibliographies ?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >   * How to fix the pdf exporters' quirks with code snippets ?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > HTH,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Emmanuel Charpentier
> > 

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