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* Definition of "unscheduled" task
@ 2007-10-14  3:35 Wanrong Lin
  2007-10-14  6:17 ` Carsten Dominik
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Wanrong Lin @ 2007-10-14  3:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode

Hi,

I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed 
regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", and do 
a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in the list. 
However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps ("appointment 
tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when 
org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?

Wanrong

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* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task
  2007-10-14  3:35 Definition of "unscheduled" task Wanrong Lin
@ 2007-10-14  6:17 ` Carsten Dominik
  2007-10-14 15:45   ` Wanrong Lin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-10-14  6:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wanrong Lin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode


On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed 
> regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", and 
> do a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in the list. 
> However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps 
> ("appointment tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when 
> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?

Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO?

- Carsten

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* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task
  2007-10-14  6:17 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2007-10-14 15:45   ` Wanrong Lin
  2007-10-15 18:45     ` Carsten Dominik
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Wanrong Lin @ 2007-10-14 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-orgmode


That's certainly an option. But usually I like to mark any "actionable" 
items with "TODO", while using non-TODO entries to record information, 
or to group TODOs into logical groups. Like this:

* Dental
*** TODO See Dr. Xyz for cleaning
   <2007-11-29 Thu 09:00>
* Medical
*** TODO See Dr. Abc for routine exam
* Useful Websites

Conceptually, I think it is  cleaner that way (if the entry indicates 
some action, have a "TODO" keyword. How that action is scheduled is a 
separate issue.). Physiologically, If I know in my org system certain 
entries need action but don't have a TODO keyword, my trust of the 
system will decrease since there are many functions in org-mode that 
operates on TODO entries only (or better so). Also, with a TODO keyword, 
I can change the state of it (I can cancel it, I can mark it done and 
etc.). Further, sometimes you just want to create a TODO entry like "See 
Dr. Abc", and later make it an appointment by adding a time stamp. It 
seems awkward to me that I need to remove the "TODO" keyword once I have 
that item scheduled as an appointment.

In short, I think we should mark appointments as "TODO" entries and have 
appointments removed from the TODO item list if "ignore-scheduled" is 
turned on.

Wanrong

Carsten Dominik wrote:
>
> On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed 
>> regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", and 
>> do a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in the 
>> list. However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps 
>> ("appointment tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when 
>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?
>
> Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO?
>
> - Carsten
>

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* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task
  2007-10-14 15:45   ` Wanrong Lin
@ 2007-10-15 18:45     ` Carsten Dominik
  2007-10-15 19:08       ` Wanrong Lin
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-10-15 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wanrong Lin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode

Well,

I am not about the change the meaning of "scheduled", but I can give 
you a new
variable `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'.  How about that?

- Carsten

On Oct 14, 2007, at 17:45, Wanrong Lin wrote:

>
> That's certainly an option. But usually I like to mark any 
> "actionable" items with "TODO", while using non-TODO entries to record 
> information, or to group TODOs into logical groups. Like this:
>
> * Dental
> *** TODO See Dr. Xyz for cleaning
>   <2007-11-29 Thu 09:00>
> * Medical
> *** TODO See Dr. Abc for routine exam
> * Useful Websites
>
> Conceptually, I think it is  cleaner that way (if the entry indicates 
> some action, have a "TODO" keyword. How that action is scheduled is a 
> separate issue.). Physiologically, If I know in my org system certain 
> entries need action but don't have a TODO keyword, my trust of the 
> system will decrease since there are many functions in org-mode that 
> operates on TODO entries only (or better so). Also, with a TODO 
> keyword, I can change the state of it (I can cancel it, I can mark it 
> done and etc.). Further, sometimes you just want to create a TODO 
> entry like "See Dr. Abc", and later make it an appointment by adding a 
> time stamp. It seems awkward to me that I need to remove the "TODO" 
> keyword once I have that item scheduled as an appointment.
>
> In short, I think we should mark appointments as "TODO" entries and 
> have appointments removed from the TODO item list if 
> "ignore-scheduled" is turned on.
>
> Wanrong
>
> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed 
>>> regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", 
>>> and do a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in the 
>>> list. However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps 
>>> ("appointment tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when 
>>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO?
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
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>
>

--
Carsten Dominik
Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
Universiteit van Amsterdam
Kruislaan 403
NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
phone: +31 20 525 7477

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* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task
  2007-10-15 18:45     ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2007-10-15 19:08       ` Wanrong Lin
  2007-10-16  6:49         ` Carsten Dominik
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Wanrong Lin @ 2007-10-15 19:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode


Sounds like my argument did not convince you. :-)  But a new variable 
works for me. I really appreciate the extra effort you take.

Wanrong

Carsten Dominik wrote:
> Well,
>
> I am not about the change the meaning of "scheduled", but I can give 
> you a new
> variable `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'.  How about that?
>
> - Carsten
>
> On Oct 14, 2007, at 17:45, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>
>>
>> That's certainly an option. But usually I like to mark any 
>> "actionable" items with "TODO", while using non-TODO entries to 
>> record information, or to group TODOs into logical groups. Like this:
>>
>> * Dental
>> *** TODO See Dr. Xyz for cleaning
>>   <2007-11-29 Thu 09:00>
>> * Medical
>> *** TODO See Dr. Abc for routine exam
>> * Useful Websites
>>
>> Conceptually, I think it is  cleaner that way (if the entry indicates 
>> some action, have a "TODO" keyword. How that action is scheduled is a 
>> separate issue.). Physiologically, If I know in my org system certain 
>> entries need action but don't have a TODO keyword, my trust of the 
>> system will decrease since there are many functions in org-mode that 
>> operates on TODO entries only (or better so). Also, with a TODO 
>> keyword, I can change the state of it (I can cancel it, I can mark it 
>> done and etc.). Further, sometimes you just want to create a TODO 
>> entry like "See Dr. Abc", and later make it an appointment by adding 
>> a time stamp. It seems awkward to me that I need to remove the "TODO" 
>> keyword once I have that item scheduled as an appointment.
>>
>> In short, I think we should mark appointments as "TODO" entries and 
>> have appointments removed from the TODO item list if 
>> "ignore-scheduled" is turned on.
>>
>> Wanrong
>>
>> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed 
>>>> regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", 
>>>> and do a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in 
>>>> the list. However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps 
>>>> ("appointment tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when 
>>>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO?
>>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>
>>
>
> -- 
> Carsten Dominik
> Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
> Universiteit van Amsterdam
> Kruislaan 403
> NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
> phone: +31 20 525 7477
>

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* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task
  2007-10-15 19:08       ` Wanrong Lin
@ 2007-10-16  6:49         ` Carsten Dominik
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-10-16  6:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Wanrong Lin; +Cc: org-mode list


On Oct 15, 2007, at 21:08, Wanrong Lin wrote:

>
> Sounds like my argument did not convince you. :-)

No, you misunderstand.  I do see why you might want to mark
appointments TODO (even if I would not do it).  But
"scheduled" in the context of Org has to do with *planning*.
You *plan* to work on this item that day, but it is not ab
absolute fix like a dentist appointment.  So I think it
is  wrong to turn these off with a variable that contains the
word "scheduled" in the name.

- Carsten

> But a new variable works for me. I really appreciate the extra effort 
> you take.
>
> Wanrong
>
> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>> Well,
>>
>> I am not about the change the meaning of "scheduled", but I can give 
>> you a new
>> variable `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'.  How about that?
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2007, at 17:45, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's certainly an option. But usually I like to mark any 
>>> "actionable" items with "TODO", while using non-TODO entries to 
>>> record information, or to group TODOs into logical groups. Like 
>>> this:
>>>
>>> * Dental
>>> *** TODO See Dr. Xyz for cleaning
>>>   <2007-11-29 Thu 09:00>
>>> * Medical
>>> *** TODO See Dr. Abc for routine exam
>>> * Useful Websites
>>>
>>> Conceptually, I think it is  cleaner that way (if the entry 
>>> indicates some action, have a "TODO" keyword. How that action is 
>>> scheduled is a separate issue.). Physiologically, If I know in my 
>>> org system certain entries need action but don't have a TODO 
>>> keyword, my trust of the system will decrease since there are many 
>>> functions in org-mode that operates on TODO entries only (or better 
>>> so). Also, with a TODO keyword, I can change the state of it (I can 
>>> cancel it, I can mark it done and etc.). Further, sometimes you just 
>>> want to create a TODO entry like "See Dr. Abc", and later make it an 
>>> appointment by adding a time stamp. It seems awkward to me that I 
>>> need to remove the "TODO" keyword once I have that item scheduled as 
>>> an appointment.
>>>
>>> In short, I think we should mark appointments as "TODO" entries and 
>>> have appointments removed from the TODO item list if 
>>> "ignore-scheduled" is turned on.
>>>
>>> Wanrong
>>>
>>> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be 
>>>>> reviewed regularly. So I first turn on 
>>>>> "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", and do a "List of all TODO 
>>>>> entries, and then review all tasks in the list. However, I found 
>>>>> that tasks with plain active time stamps ("appointment tasks") are 
>>>>> also listed. Should we exclude them when 
>>>>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO?
>>>>
>>>> - Carsten
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Carsten Dominik
>> Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
>> Universiteit van Amsterdam
>> Kruislaan 403
>> NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
>> phone: +31 20 525 7477
>>
>
>

--
Carsten Dominik
Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
Universiteit van Amsterdam
Kruislaan 403
NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
phone: +31 20 525 7477

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