* Definition of "unscheduled" task
@ 2007-10-14 3:35 Wanrong Lin
2007-10-14 6:17 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Wanrong Lin @ 2007-10-14 3:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi,
I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed
regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", and do
a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in the list.
However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps ("appointment
tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when
org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?
Wanrong
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* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task
2007-10-14 3:35 Definition of "unscheduled" task Wanrong Lin
@ 2007-10-14 6:17 ` Carsten Dominik
2007-10-14 15:45 ` Wanrong Lin
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-10-14 6:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Wanrong Lin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed
> regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", and
> do a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in the list.
> However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps
> ("appointment tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when
> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?
Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO?
- Carsten
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* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task
2007-10-14 6:17 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2007-10-14 15:45 ` Wanrong Lin
2007-10-15 18:45 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Wanrong Lin @ 2007-10-14 15:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
That's certainly an option. But usually I like to mark any "actionable"
items with "TODO", while using non-TODO entries to record information,
or to group TODOs into logical groups. Like this:
* Dental
*** TODO See Dr. Xyz for cleaning
<2007-11-29 Thu 09:00>
* Medical
*** TODO See Dr. Abc for routine exam
* Useful Websites
Conceptually, I think it is cleaner that way (if the entry indicates
some action, have a "TODO" keyword. How that action is scheduled is a
separate issue.). Physiologically, If I know in my org system certain
entries need action but don't have a TODO keyword, my trust of the
system will decrease since there are many functions in org-mode that
operates on TODO entries only (or better so). Also, with a TODO keyword,
I can change the state of it (I can cancel it, I can mark it done and
etc.). Further, sometimes you just want to create a TODO entry like "See
Dr. Abc", and later make it an appointment by adding a time stamp. It
seems awkward to me that I need to remove the "TODO" keyword once I have
that item scheduled as an appointment.
In short, I think we should mark appointments as "TODO" entries and have
appointments removed from the TODO item list if "ignore-scheduled" is
turned on.
Wanrong
Carsten Dominik wrote:
>
> On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed
>> regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", and
>> do a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in the
>> list. However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps
>> ("appointment tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when
>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?
>
> Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO?
>
> - Carsten
>
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* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task
2007-10-14 15:45 ` Wanrong Lin
@ 2007-10-15 18:45 ` Carsten Dominik
2007-10-15 19:08 ` Wanrong Lin
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-10-15 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Wanrong Lin; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Well,
I am not about the change the meaning of "scheduled", but I can give
you a new
variable `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'. How about that?
- Carsten
On Oct 14, 2007, at 17:45, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>
> That's certainly an option. But usually I like to mark any
> "actionable" items with "TODO", while using non-TODO entries to record
> information, or to group TODOs into logical groups. Like this:
>
> * Dental
> *** TODO See Dr. Xyz for cleaning
> <2007-11-29 Thu 09:00>
> * Medical
> *** TODO See Dr. Abc for routine exam
> * Useful Websites
>
> Conceptually, I think it is cleaner that way (if the entry indicates
> some action, have a "TODO" keyword. How that action is scheduled is a
> separate issue.). Physiologically, If I know in my org system certain
> entries need action but don't have a TODO keyword, my trust of the
> system will decrease since there are many functions in org-mode that
> operates on TODO entries only (or better so). Also, with a TODO
> keyword, I can change the state of it (I can cancel it, I can mark it
> done and etc.). Further, sometimes you just want to create a TODO
> entry like "See Dr. Abc", and later make it an appointment by adding a
> time stamp. It seems awkward to me that I need to remove the "TODO"
> keyword once I have that item scheduled as an appointment.
>
> In short, I think we should mark appointments as "TODO" entries and
> have appointments removed from the TODO item list if
> "ignore-scheduled" is turned on.
>
> Wanrong
>
> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed
>>> regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled",
>>> and do a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in the
>>> list. However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps
>>> ("appointment tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when
>>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?
>>
>> Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO?
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
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>
>
--
Carsten Dominik
Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
Universiteit van Amsterdam
Kruislaan 403
NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
phone: +31 20 525 7477
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* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task
2007-10-15 18:45 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2007-10-15 19:08 ` Wanrong Lin
2007-10-16 6:49 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Wanrong Lin @ 2007-10-15 19:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Sounds like my argument did not convince you. :-) But a new variable
works for me. I really appreciate the extra effort you take.
Wanrong
Carsten Dominik wrote:
> Well,
>
> I am not about the change the meaning of "scheduled", but I can give
> you a new
> variable `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'. How about that?
>
> - Carsten
>
> On Oct 14, 2007, at 17:45, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>
>>
>> That's certainly an option. But usually I like to mark any
>> "actionable" items with "TODO", while using non-TODO entries to
>> record information, or to group TODOs into logical groups. Like this:
>>
>> * Dental
>> *** TODO See Dr. Xyz for cleaning
>> <2007-11-29 Thu 09:00>
>> * Medical
>> *** TODO See Dr. Abc for routine exam
>> * Useful Websites
>>
>> Conceptually, I think it is cleaner that way (if the entry indicates
>> some action, have a "TODO" keyword. How that action is scheduled is a
>> separate issue.). Physiologically, If I know in my org system certain
>> entries need action but don't have a TODO keyword, my trust of the
>> system will decrease since there are many functions in org-mode that
>> operates on TODO entries only (or better so). Also, with a TODO
>> keyword, I can change the state of it (I can cancel it, I can mark it
>> done and etc.). Further, sometimes you just want to create a TODO
>> entry like "See Dr. Abc", and later make it an appointment by adding
>> a time stamp. It seems awkward to me that I need to remove the "TODO"
>> keyword once I have that item scheduled as an appointment.
>>
>> In short, I think we should mark appointments as "TODO" entries and
>> have appointments removed from the TODO item list if
>> "ignore-scheduled" is turned on.
>>
>> Wanrong
>>
>> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>>>
>>> On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be reviewed
>>>> regularly. So I first turn on "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled",
>>>> and do a "List of all TODO entries, and then review all tasks in
>>>> the list. However, I found that tasks with plain active time stamps
>>>> ("appointment tasks") are also listed. Should we exclude them when
>>>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?
>>>
>>> Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO?
>>>
>>> - Carsten
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>
>>
>
> --
> Carsten Dominik
> Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
> Universiteit van Amsterdam
> Kruislaan 403
> NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
> phone: +31 20 525 7477
>
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* Re: Definition of "unscheduled" task
2007-10-15 19:08 ` Wanrong Lin
@ 2007-10-16 6:49 ` Carsten Dominik
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Carsten Dominik @ 2007-10-16 6:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Wanrong Lin; +Cc: org-mode list
On Oct 15, 2007, at 21:08, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>
> Sounds like my argument did not convince you. :-)
No, you misunderstand. I do see why you might want to mark
appointments TODO (even if I would not do it). But
"scheduled" in the context of Org has to do with *planning*.
You *plan* to work on this item that day, but it is not ab
absolute fix like a dentist appointment. So I think it
is wrong to turn these off with a variable that contains the
word "scheduled" in the name.
- Carsten
> But a new variable works for me. I really appreciate the extra effort
> you take.
>
> Wanrong
>
> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>> Well,
>>
>> I am not about the change the meaning of "scheduled", but I can give
>> you a new
>> variable `org-agenda-todo-ignore-with-date'. How about that?
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>> On Oct 14, 2007, at 17:45, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's certainly an option. But usually I like to mark any
>>> "actionable" items with "TODO", while using non-TODO entries to
>>> record information, or to group TODOs into logical groups. Like
>>> this:
>>>
>>> * Dental
>>> *** TODO See Dr. Xyz for cleaning
>>> <2007-11-29 Thu 09:00>
>>> * Medical
>>> *** TODO See Dr. Abc for routine exam
>>> * Useful Websites
>>>
>>> Conceptually, I think it is cleaner that way (if the entry
>>> indicates some action, have a "TODO" keyword. How that action is
>>> scheduled is a separate issue.). Physiologically, If I know in my
>>> org system certain entries need action but don't have a TODO
>>> keyword, my trust of the system will decrease since there are many
>>> functions in org-mode that operates on TODO entries only (or better
>>> so). Also, with a TODO keyword, I can change the state of it (I can
>>> cancel it, I can mark it done and etc.). Further, sometimes you just
>>> want to create a TODO entry like "See Dr. Abc", and later make it an
>>> appointment by adding a time stamp. It seems awkward to me that I
>>> need to remove the "TODO" keyword once I have that item scheduled as
>>> an appointment.
>>>
>>> In short, I think we should mark appointments as "TODO" entries and
>>> have appointments removed from the TODO item list if
>>> "ignore-scheduled" is turned on.
>>>
>>> Wanrong
>>>
>>> Carsten Dominik wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 14, 2007, at 5:35, Wanrong Lin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am trying to follow GTD's principle that tasks should be
>>>>> reviewed regularly. So I first turn on
>>>>> "org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled", and do a "List of all TODO
>>>>> entries, and then review all tasks in the list. However, I found
>>>>> that tasks with plain active time stamps ("appointment tasks") are
>>>>> also listed. Should we exclude them when
>>>>> org-agenda-todo-ignore-scheduled is set to "t"?
>>>>
>>>> Wouldn't it be better to not mark appointments TODO?
>>>>
>>>> - Carsten
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>>> Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
>>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Carsten Dominik
>> Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
>> Universiteit van Amsterdam
>> Kruislaan 403
>> NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
>> phone: +31 20 525 7477
>>
>
>
--
Carsten Dominik
Sterrenkundig Instituut "Anton Pannekoek"
Universiteit van Amsterdam
Kruislaan 403
NL-1098SJ Amsterdam
phone: +31 20 525 7477
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