Newbie Questions on Spreadsheets

Newbie Questions on Spreadsheets

[Jun Inoue]

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Hi!  I've recently started using org mode, and have loved pretty much every
step of it.  Thanks for all your work!

I just discovered the power of tables and spreadsheets and started toying
around with it, but there are a few things I can't get to work the way I
want.  Would someone please help me out, or tell me if I'm trying to use it
wrong?

1. How do you apply a column formula?

The info manual mentions C-u C-c *, but this doesn't always work.  For
example, I have

| $ |      |   |
|   | 2.80 |   |
|   | 5.53 |   |
#+TBLFM: $3=$2

and typing C-u C-c * inside the table changes nothing.  If I remove the $
cell the C-u C-c * does update the whole table, so could it be a bug in the
handling of $?

2. Is there a way to move/delete columns and rows without screwing up
formulas?

While minimizing the example above, I deleted a bunch of columns from a
larger table using org-table-delete-column, only to find that the formulas
are not updated, so they become dangling references or reference the wrong
columns.  Same for rows, or moving them with e.g. org-metadown.  Is there a
way to have the formulas update as I restructure the table?

3. Formatting directives seem to take the numerators of rationals.

For example, if I hit C-c C-c in

| 5:6 | :=@1$1;%.2f |

I get

| 5:6 | 5.00 |
#+TBLFM: @1$2=@1$1;%.2f

whereas I would have expected the last column to be 0.17.  It seems that %f
directives take the numerators of ratios, but I would have expected it to
coerce to the closest floating point instead.  (It doesn't make sense to
me: when would you /want/ to drop the denominator?)  I know I can coerce
manually with float(), but counting on myself to insert that every time
sounds like a mistake waiting to happen.

Is there a way to customize it so that ratios are converted to float by the
%f directive, rather than having its denominator thrown away?

4. Is there a way to combine concise display with high-precision
calculations?

I prefer floating point to be formatted concisely, like %.2f, to avoid
visual clutter and to keep column sizes manageable (especially since I use
visual-line-mode).  But if I put %.2f everywhere, I quickly run into
precision issues.  For example:

| :=2/3;%.2f | := @1$1+@1$1 | :=@1$2 + @1$2 + @1$2 |

Evaluating these formulas gives

| 0.67 | 1.34 | 4.02 |
#+TBLFM: @1$1=2/3;%.2f::@1$2=@1$1+@1$1::@1$3=@1$2 + @1$2 + @1$2

The calculation is cut off at two decimal places.  Full-blown spreadsheet
software usually separates the internal data representation from the
formatting, so that formatting doesn't affect precision.  Is there a way to
achieve a similar effect, or is that difficult given how org-mode tables
keep all the data as explicit text?

BTW, I'm using Org mode 9.5.2 with Emacs 28.1 on macOS (so-called
Mitsuharu's mac-port).


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Jun Inoue

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Re: Newbie Questions on Spreadsheets

[Quiliro Ordóñez]

El 2022-05-18 21:13, Jun Inoue escribió:

> 1. How do you apply a column formula?
> 
> The info manual mentions C-u C-c *, but this doesn't always work.  For
> example, I have
> 
> | $ |      |   |
> |   | 2.80 |   |
> |   | 5.53 |   |
> #+TBLFM: $3=$2
> 
> and typing C-u C-c * inside the table changes nothing.  If I remove
> the $ cell the C-u C-c * does update the whole table, so could it be a
> bug in the handling of $?

I changed the `$' for `dollars' and it worked for me.  I am a newbie
too.

Re: Newbie Questions on Spreadsheets

[Jun Inoue]

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On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 10:47 PM Quiliro Ordóñez <quiliro@riseup.net> wrote:

> El 2022-05-18 21:13, Jun Inoue escribió:
>
> > 1. How do you apply a column formula?
> >
> > The info manual mentions C-u C-c *, but this doesn't always work.  For
> > example, I have
> >
> > | $ |      |   |
> > |   | 2.80 |   |
> > |   | 5.53 |   |
> > #+TBLFM: $3=$2
> >
> > and typing C-u C-c * inside the table changes nothing.  If I remove
> > the $ cell the C-u C-c * does update the whole table, so could it be a
> > bug in the handling of $?
>
> I changed the `$' for `dollars' and it worked for me.  I am a newbie
> too.
>
>
Hi Quiliro!  This $ is actually not a money amount, but it has special
meaning within org-mode spreadsheets.  Have a look at this page:
https://orgmode.org/manual/Advanced-features.html

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Jun Inoue

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Re: Newbie Questions on Spreadsheets

[Quiliro Ordóñez]

El 2022-05-19 18:14, Jun Inoue escribió:
> Hi Quiliro!  This $ is actually not a money amount, but it has special
> meaning within org-mode spreadsheets.  Have a look at this page:
> https://orgmode.org/manual/Advanced-features.html

Nice!  Thanks.
     
‘$’    Fields in this row can define parameters for formulas. For
example, if a field in a ‘$’ row contains ‘max=50’, then formulas in
this table can refer to the value 50 using ‘$max’. Parameters work
exactly like constants, only that they can be defined on a per-table
basis.