Re: Agenda view for logging?

[Jose Robins <jorobins@yahoo.com>]

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Hi Ben,
Thanks for your detailed response. Your arguments make perfect sense. 
Let me try to get into the habit of "scheduling" and putting 
"deadlines". It's all a question of learning new habits and sticking to it.

Regards,
Jose

bva@alexanderonline.org wrote:
> Hi Jose,
>
> I'm also still very much a rookie, in GTD and in org-mode. But I'd 
> argue against added one more way to add something to the agenda time 
> grid.  Things show up in the time grid if
> 1) you use C-c C-s (adds SCHEDULED: property to headline)
> 2) you use C-c C-d (adds DEADLINE: property to headline)
> 3) you use C-u C-c . (inserts timestamp at point; headline will show 
> up in agenda)
>
> As a novice, I've come to the belief that these multiple ways of 
> 'scheduling' (I mean only that a line of text is added to the agenda) 
> have grown organically from org-mode's past, by not dropping an older, 
> simpler way, but adding a new mechanism for a specific type of 
> time-management problem. Each one has its own small differences in how 
> it interacts with other features of org-mode to support the specific 
> issue it addresses (deadlines show up in red, e.g.)
>
> I offer the following thoughts quite humbly, knowing that I'm likely 
> among the least effective time-manager and org-mode user on this list.
>
>
> In response to your concerns
> a) no need to type extra characters
> response: perhaps you could try the commands listed above. You only 
> need to type the time-range, and org-mode fills in the rest
>
> b) no need to clutter up with the date
> response: SCHEDULED and DEADLINE properties can be folded under the 
> headline (in fact, they can be put into the PROPERTY drawer, if you'd 
> really like to hide them. And there's no extra date verbage in the 
> time grid (and I think there is a customization for removing the word 
> 'Scheduled' if you don't like it, but I haven't decided to dislike it 
> *that* much.  It's the default and I trust it's there for a good reason)
>
> c) if I miss it today, it'll show up tomorrow
> response: So if you've missed washing the dog today at 9:56, why 
> should that task be automatically rescheduled for tomorrow *at the 
> exact same time*.  If missing the appointed time and date doesn't 
> prevent you from doing that task, then perhaps you could make it a 
> TODO item that shows up on the global todo list instead.  If you 
> actually did the task, but didn't get around to changing your 
> headline, then it's there for you to deal with inappropriately.
>
> Oh, and if you have a normal date+timestamp, then you find the 
> headline and hit S-<right> to move the day forward by one, so the 
> manual rescheduling isn't hard either.  So if you glance at 
> yesterday's agenda, and see something in the wrong place, it's easy to 
> move forward.  This works in the agenda, in the org-mode buffer, and 
> you only need to get point somewhere inside or next to the timestamp 
> (I use C-u C-u <arrow> alot, which isn't very precise, so I appreciate 
> that I don't have to get the point to a specific character)
>
> I hope you like key-board shortcuts (or you're going to go crazy with 
> emacs, much less org-mode!)
>
> Respectfully yours,
>
> Ben
>
> On 2008-04-10 Thu, at 16:35, emacs-orgmode-request@gnu.org wrote:
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 08:09:21 -0700
>> From: Jose Robins <wulfhomme13-rook@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Orgmode] Agenda view for logging?
>> To: "Joel J. Adamson" <jadamson@partners.org>
>> Cc: org-mode <emacs-orgmode@gnu.org>
>> Message-ID: <47FE2DA1.3060109@yahoo.com>
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>>
>>
>> Joel J. Adamson wrote:
>>> Carsten Dominik <dominik@science.uva.nl> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jose, Manish
>>>>
>>>> I don't really think that it would be reasonable to make any entry
>>>> that contains a string that looks like a time show up in the agenda.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think I missed part of this conversation.  If I put
>>>
>>> ** Wash the dog <2008-04-10 09:56 >
>>>
>>> in one of my org-agenda-files, it shows up at 9:56 in the agenda
>>> time-grid.  Is this not the intended behavior?
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
>> Yes, that is intended behavior and it works fine. The question was
>> whether a time range without a time-stamp would work as well. something
>> like...
>>
>> ** 9:55 am - 10:15 am wash the dog
>> - would put this task in "today's" agenda view.
>>
>> I see Carsten's  point about not wanting to recognize any arbitrary text
>> string which looks like a time to be considered a
>> "time-of-specification". A possible compromise is to have a string which
>> looks like "<10:15-10:30> " to be considered as a task for today which
>> appears @ the appropriate time in the agenda view. The beauty is that
>> (a) you avoid having to type in extra keystrokes to schedule it, (b) no
>> need to clutter with an additional date and (c) if it doesn't get done
>> or something, when I do the agenda view tomorrow, it shows up there as
>> well and it doesn't get lost.
>>
>> Of course, I may be asking for things that may have other negative
>> implications, since after all, I'm still a rookie with org mode (still
>> wet behind the ears) and maybe there are better approaches to this.  :-)
>>
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