From: "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com>
To: manikulin@gmail.com
Cc: raman@google.com, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Org mode export accessibility
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 09:55:12 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <25399.8048.750062.107829@retriever.mtv.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e15c6380-a3c4-80ac-a8ef-93d3e84dd4d7@gmail.com>
correct; user-facing tools are still lacking but that shouldn't cause
us to wait since that creates a chicken-and-egg problem.
Max Nikulin writes:
> On 30/09/2022 20:29, T.V Raman wrote:
> >
> > 9. Note that this is not the end of the trail; for such exports to
> > make a difference to the end-user, user-facing tools still need to
> > know "how" to leverage these facilities.
>
> Do you mean that there are no tools yet that may take advantage of math
> expressions embedded into PDF as LaTeX source markup? I am just trying
> to figure out current state of affairs. I suppose, it is unlikely that
> someone from Org mailing list subscribers is ready to invest significant
> amount of time into development of LaTeX packages. However if there were
> ready to use and safe packages improving accessibility then changing
> export templates would be more real goal.
>
> In the meanwhile I have realized that \usepackage{mmap} has a little use
> in isolation. Fractions, indices, etc. are lost. Maybe some other
> packages should be loaded to provide more informative text equivalent
> for math.
>
> Some details concerning what I have tried is below.
>
> Original LaTeX expression:
>
> Text \[ \int_{\alpha}^{\beta} \frac{dx}{x^2 + \varepsilon} \]
>
> pdftotext -layout output for \usepackage{mmap}:
> Text \int \beta
> dx
> \alpha x2 + \varepsilon
>
> end of output
>
> pdftotext output for \usepackage{cmap} and \usepackage[noTeX]{mmap}:
> Text ∫︁ 𝛽
> 𝑑𝑥
> 𝛼 𝑥2 + 𝜀
>
> end of output
>
> pdftotext output when neither cmap nor mmap is loaded:
> Text Z β
> dx
> α x2 + ε
>
> end of output
>
> For this dumb example effect of mmap is hardly noticeable. Integral
> symbol is not replaced by "Z", but it is hard to guess sub- and
> superscripts and presence of the \frac command. Without "-layout" order
> of symbols is mostly preserved, but structure is lost
>
> Text
> ∫︁
>
> 𝛽
>
> 𝛼
>
> 𝑑𝑥
> 𝑥2 + 𝜀
--
Thanks,
--Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
♉ Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮
--
Thanks,
--Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
♉ Id: kg:/m/0285kf1 🦮
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2022-05-23 21:06 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-05-24 2:36 ` Tim Cross
2022-05-24 2:51 ` Timothy
2022-05-24 6:54 ` Eric S Fraga
2022-05-26 7:30 ` Christian Moe
2022-05-24 15:09 ` Max Nikulin
2022-05-25 7:22 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-25 17:05 ` Max Nikulin
2022-05-26 2:54 ` Merging paragraphs separated by comment lines during export (was: About 'inline special blocks') Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-24 3:56 ` About 'inline special blocks' Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-24 14:05 ` João Pedro
2022-05-26 4:56 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-26 11:30 ` João Pedro
2022-05-26 12:20 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-26 17:35 ` João Pedro
2022-05-26 21:22 ` About opening issues vs email [Was: About 'inline special blocks'] Kaushal Modi
2022-05-27 4:24 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-05-27 4:36 ` João Pedro
2022-05-25 13:55 ` About 'inline special blocks' Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-17 6:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-17 19:49 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-19 12:47 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-19 19:30 ` Christian Moe
2022-06-19 20:15 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-19 22:18 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-20 16:57 ` Max Nikulin
2022-06-20 19:06 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-21 16:39 ` Max Nikulin
2022-06-21 18:19 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-20 22:46 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-26 4:07 ` Org mode export accessibility (was: About 'inline special blocks') Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-26 6:29 ` Tim Cross
2022-06-26 10:46 ` Org mode export accessibility Juan Manuel Macías
2022-06-26 10:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-06-27 14:40 ` T.V Raman
2022-06-30 7:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-07 14:18 ` briangpowell
2022-07-07 14:42 ` T.V Raman
2022-07-08 4:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-08 13:55 ` T.V Raman
2022-07-09 3:39 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-09 13:20 ` T.V Raman
2022-09-30 11:07 ` Max Nikulin
2022-09-30 13:29 ` T.V Raman
2022-09-30 16:43 ` Max Nikulin
2022-09-30 16:55 ` T.V Raman [this message]
2022-10-01 4:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-01 14:59 ` T.V Raman
2022-10-02 2:54 ` Org source in PDF (Re: Org mode export accessibility) Max Nikulin
2022-10-02 3:50 ` Timothy
2022-07-07 14:43 ` Org mode export accessibility T.V Raman
2022-07-07 15:37 ` T.V Raman
2022-07-08 4:33 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-07-08 13:54 ` T.V Raman
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