Agenda without todos only if there is no other timestamp

Agenda without todos only if there is no other timestamp

[Karl Voit]

Hi,

I've got following custom agenda for exporting:

| ("n" "no TODO events +180d"
|  ((agenda "no TODO events +180d"
|           ((org-agenda-span 180)
|            (org-agenda-time-grid nil)
|            (org-agenda-entry-types '(:timestamp :sexp))
|            (org-agenda-skip-function
|             '(or
|               (org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'todo 'any);; skip if any TODO state is found
|               (org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'category "errors");; skip if any TODO state is found
|               (my-skip-tag "lp")
|           )))))
|  nil (,(concat my-org-files-path "agenda_180d_filtered_raw.html")))

(don't mind the stupid name - I may fix this as it is misleading
here)

This results in an HTML file that contains my appointments without the tasks.

Unfortunately, I sometimes seem to schedule appointments within open todos such as:

| * NEXT talk with Steve about the project X
| SCHEDULED: <2022-04-05 Tue>
| 
| - [X] ask him for a time-slot
| - we settled for: <2022-04-05 Tue 14:00-15:00>

Of course, those appointments are lost in my agenda export as
specified above. This is a bummer and I want to fix this somehow.

Tasks should be omitted only if there is no other time-stamp than
deadline or scheduled.

org-agenda-skip-if lists:
| scheduled     Check if there is a scheduled cookie
| notscheduled  Check if there is no scheduled cookie
| deadline      Check if there is a deadline
| notdeadline   Check if there is no deadline
| timestamp     Check if there is a timestamp (also deadline or scheduled)
| nottimestamp  Check if there is no timestamp (also deadline or scheduled)
| regexp        Check if regexp matches
| notregexp     Check if regexp does not match.
| todo          Check if TODO keyword matches
| nottodo       Check if TODO keyword does not match

How is it possible to accomplish this? I think this would require
something like "Check if there is a timestamp (except deadline or
scheduled)" which isn't available yet.

Any ideas on that one?

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Re: Agenda without todos only if there is no other timestamp

[TRS-80]

On 2022-04-05 04:48, Karl Voit wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've got following custom agenda for exporting:
> 
> | ("n" "no TODO events +180d"
> |  ((agenda "no TODO events +180d"
> |           ((org-agenda-span 180)
> |            (org-agenda-time-grid nil)
> |            (org-agenda-entry-types '(:timestamp :sexp))
> |            (org-agenda-skip-function
> |             '(or
> |               (org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'todo 'any);; skip if any
> TODO state is found
> |               (org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'category "errors");; skip
> if any TODO state is found
> |               (my-skip-tag "lp")
> |           )))))
> |  nil (,(concat my-org-files-path "agenda_180d_filtered_raw.html")))
> 
> (don't mind the stupid name - I may fix this as it is misleading
> here)
> 
> This results in an HTML file that contains my appointments without the 
> tasks.
> 
> Unfortunately, I sometimes seem to schedule appointments within open
> todos such as:
> 
> | * NEXT talk with Steve about the project X
> | SCHEDULED: <2022-04-05 Tue>
> |
> | - [X] ask him for a time-slot
> | - we settled for: <2022-04-05 Tue 14:00-15:00>
> 
> Of course, those appointments are lost in my agenda export as
> specified above. This is a bummer and I want to fix this somehow.
> 
> Tasks should be omitted only if there is no other time-stamp than
> deadline or scheduled.
> 
> org-agenda-skip-if lists:
> | scheduled     Check if there is a scheduled cookie
> | notscheduled  Check if there is no scheduled cookie
> | deadline      Check if there is a deadline
> | notdeadline   Check if there is no deadline
> | timestamp     Check if there is a timestamp (also deadline or 
> scheduled)
> | nottimestamp  Check if there is no timestamp (also deadline or 
> scheduled)
> | regexp        Check if regexp matches
> | notregexp     Check if regexp does not match.
> | todo          Check if TODO keyword matches
> | nottodo       Check if TODO keyword does not match
> 
> How is it possible to accomplish this? I think this would require
> something like "Check if there is a timestamp (except deadline or
> scheduled)" which isn't available yet.
> 
> Any ideas on that one?

I think you will need to write a custom ~org-agenda-skip-function~.

It's late and I am too tired, but if you are still floundering about 
after some days, send another mail and I will see what I can do to help. 
  :)

Cheers,
TRS-80

Re: Agenda without todos only if there is no other timestamp

[TRS-80]

TRS-80 <lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name> writes:

> On 2022-04-05 04:48, Karl Voit wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I've got following custom agenda for exporting:
>> | ("n" "no TODO events +180d"
>> |  ((agenda "no TODO events +180d"
>> |           ((org-agenda-span 180)
>> |            (org-agenda-time-grid nil)
>> |            (org-agenda-entry-types '(:timestamp :sexp))
>> |            (org-agenda-skip-function
>> |             '(or
>> |               (org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'todo 'any);; skip if any
>> TODO state is found
>> |               (org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'category "errors");; skip
>> if any TODO state is found
>> |               (my-skip-tag "lp")
>> |           )))))
>> |  nil (,(concat my-org-files-path "agenda_180d_filtered_raw.html")))
>> (don't mind the stupid name - I may fix this as it is misleading
>> here)
>> This results in an HTML file that contains my appointments without
>> the tasks.
>> Unfortunately, I sometimes seem to schedule appointments within open
>> todos such as:
>> | * NEXT talk with Steve about the project X
>> | SCHEDULED: <2022-04-05 Tue>
>> |
>> | - [X] ask him for a time-slot
>> | - we settled for: <2022-04-05 Tue 14:00-15:00>
>> Of course, those appointments are lost in my agenda export as
>> specified above. This is a bummer and I want to fix this somehow.
>> Tasks should be omitted only if there is no other time-stamp than
>> deadline or scheduled.
>> org-agenda-skip-if lists:
>> | scheduled     Check if there is a scheduled cookie
>> | notscheduled  Check if there is no scheduled cookie
>> | deadline      Check if there is a deadline
>> | notdeadline   Check if there is no deadline
>> | timestamp     Check if there is a timestamp (also deadline or
>> scheduled)
>> | nottimestamp  Check if there is no timestamp (also deadline or
>> scheduled)
>> | regexp        Check if regexp matches
>> | notregexp     Check if regexp does not match.
>> | todo          Check if TODO keyword matches
>> | nottodo       Check if TODO keyword does not match
>> How is it possible to accomplish this? I think this would require
>> something like "Check if there is a timestamp (except deadline or
>> scheduled)" which isn't available yet.
>> Any ideas on that one?
>
> I think you will need to write a custom ~org-agenda-skip-function~.
>

I realized there is probably an even easier way (no custom ELisp
required), simply by creating a separate child heading for the meeting,
which should then show up.  Assuming I am following you correctly, how
about:

#+begin_src org

* PROJECT Project X
  :PROPERTIES:
  :CATEGORY:             P:X
  :END:

** PROJECT Discuss 'topic' with Steve

*** DONE Ask Steve for a time-slot

*** Meeting with steve
<2022-04-05 Tue 14:00>--<2022-04-05 Tue 15:00>

#+end_src

N.B. the indentation levels.

Couple notes here:

1. If you set CATEGORY on the parent, and have enabled inheritance, the
'P:X' should appear on left side in your agenda, at the time of this
meeting, giving context.  The 'P:' convention is just what I use to
denote a Project (as opposed to an Area).

2. I follow GTD here, where anything with more subtasks is itself also
considered another 'project'.  You don't have to.  In fact one of my
todo keywords is actually PROJECT.

3. I guess you could use SCHEDULED just as well, but if you carefully
read the manual, this is not the intent of SCHEDULED.  An appointment
(like this) should simply be a time slot (as I showed above).  You can
of course do whatever you like.  :)

I have included some things here that I might do which are not strictly
necessary to solving your problem, but hopefully you can adapt this to
your needs.

Cheers,
TRS-80

Re: Agenda without todos only if there is no other timestamp

[Ihor Radchenko]

Karl Voit <devnull@Karl-Voit.at> writes:

> I've got following custom agenda for exporting:
>
> | ("n" "no TODO events +180d"
> |  ((agenda "no TODO events +180d"
> |           ((org-agenda-span 180)
> |            (org-agenda-time-grid nil)
> |            (org-agenda-entry-types '(:timestamp :sexp))
> |            (org-agenda-skip-function
> |             '(or
> |               (org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'todo 'any);; skip if any TODO state is found
> |               (org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'category "errors");; skip if any TODO state is found
> |               (my-skip-tag "lp")
> |           )))))
> |  nil (,(concat my-org-files-path "agenda_180d_filtered_raw.html")))
> ...
> Tasks should be omitted only if there is no other time-stamp than
> deadline or scheduled.
>
> Any ideas on that one?

(org-agenda-skip-function
 '(or
   (and (org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'todo 'any);; skip if any TODO state is found
	(org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'deadline 'scheduled))
   (org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'category "errors");; skip if any TODO state is found
   (my-skip-tag "lp")))

Best,
Ihor

Re: Agenda without todos only if there is no other timestamp

[Karl Voit]

Hi,

* TRS-80 <lists.trs-80@isnotmyreal.name> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-04-05 04:48, Karl Voit wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I've got following custom agenda for exporting:
>>> | ("n" "no TODO events +180d"
>>> |  ((agenda "no TODO events +180d"
>>> |           ((org-agenda-span 180)
>>> |            (org-agenda-time-grid nil)
>>> |            (org-agenda-entry-types '(:timestamp :sexp))
>>> |            (org-agenda-skip-function
>>> |             '(or
>>> |               (org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'todo 'any);; skip if any
>>> TODO state is found
>>> |               (org-agenda-skip-entry-if 'category "errors");; skip
>>> if any TODO state is found
>>> |               (my-skip-tag "lp")
>>> |           )))))
>>> |  nil (,(concat my-org-files-path "agenda_180d_filtered_raw.html")))
>>> (don't mind the stupid name - I may fix this as it is misleading
>>> here)
>>> This results in an HTML file that contains my appointments without
>>> the tasks.
>>> Unfortunately, I sometimes seem to schedule appointments within open
>>> todos such as:
>>> | * NEXT talk with Steve about the project X
>>> | SCHEDULED: <2022-04-05 Tue>
>>> |
>>> | - [X] ask him for a time-slot
>>> | - we settled for: <2022-04-05 Tue 14:00-15:00>
>>> Of course, those appointments are lost in my agenda export as
>>> specified above. This is a bummer and I want to fix this somehow.
>>> Tasks should be omitted only if there is no other time-stamp than
>>> deadline or scheduled.
>>> org-agenda-skip-if lists:
>>> | scheduled     Check if there is a scheduled cookie
>>> | notscheduled  Check if there is no scheduled cookie
>>> | deadline      Check if there is a deadline
>>> | notdeadline   Check if there is no deadline
>>> | timestamp     Check if there is a timestamp (also deadline or
>>> scheduled)
>>> | nottimestamp  Check if there is no timestamp (also deadline or
>>> scheduled)
>>> | regexp        Check if regexp matches
>>> | notregexp     Check if regexp does not match.
>>> | todo          Check if TODO keyword matches
>>> | nottodo       Check if TODO keyword does not match
>>> How is it possible to accomplish this? I think this would require
>>> something like "Check if there is a timestamp (except deadline or
>>> scheduled)" which isn't available yet.
>>> Any ideas on that one?
>>
>> I think you will need to write a custom ~org-agenda-skip-function~.
>>
>
> I realized there is probably an even easier way (no custom ELisp
> required), simply by creating a separate child heading for the meeting,
> which should then show up.

Thanks for the idea. This is my current workaround. However, it
happens in longer headings that I insert a time/datestamp at the end
without realizing that I'm working in a todo heading. This is an
issue for me because I do have to check every time I'm using
timestamps. It's rather obvious that I fail from time to time and I
lose the entry on my non-todo-agenda.

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