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From: Don Armstrong <don@donarmstrong.com>
To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Time-zone in dates
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 12:14:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150707171431.GH6137@geta> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALn3zojFcSu-kVW3ZMK4uZrhqerwgK9Bm9=ibCyTBK4Z3p2rDg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 01 Jul 2015, Michael Brand wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 8:27 AM, Eric S Fraga <e.fraga@ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, 30 Jun 2015 at 11:08, Nick Dokos wrote:
> >> In what way are you losing information?
> >
> > Sorry, should have been clear: the time zone information itself.  By
> > reducing to UTC, you lose one bit of information.  Whether that matters
> > or not in practice is not clear but I'm always uncomfortable when
> > considering data representations that lead to information loss.
> >
> > I've been trying to come up with an example that would illustrate the
> > problem but I've failed so far.
> 
> As an example for the above I suggest to consider a non-stop flight
> with a duration of 1:31:00 from Salt Lake City UT to Phoenix AZ, both
> cities in different time zones, here intentionally even the same basic
> time zone but one with daylight saving and one without.

[...]

> 2) When the Org file format would support time zones I would use
> 
>    * Flight from Salt Lake City UT to Phoenix AZ
>      <2015-07-01 Wed 10:55 MDT>--<2015-07-01 Wed 11:26 MST>
>      - *Advantage*: Visibility of the time zones where the event takes
>        place.

Of course, this is even more complicated, as MST could mean UTC+08,
UTC-07 or UTC+06:30.

That said, lets not make perfect the enemy of the good. I've currently
got emacs running under TZ="America/Los_Angeles" even though my machine
is in TZ="America/Chicago" precisely because org mode can't yet handle
this.

I'd be willing to help out as much as I'm able, too.

-- 
Don Armstrong                      http://www.donarmstrong.com

I have no use for "before and after" pictures.
I can't remember starting, and I'm never done.
 -- a softer world #221
    http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=221

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-07 17:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-26 13:40 Time-zone in dates Oleg Sivokon
2015-06-26 14:12 ` Eric S Fraga
2015-06-26 14:33   ` Left Right
2015-06-26 14:38   ` J. David Boyd
2015-06-26 15:10     ` Eric S Fraga
2015-06-26 19:20       ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-26 19:57         ` francois
2015-06-26 21:48           ` Nicolas Goaziou
2015-06-29 13:17           ` Eric S Fraga
2015-06-30  1:17             ` Nick Dokos
2015-06-30  7:36               ` Eric S Fraga
2015-06-30 15:08                 ` Nick Dokos
2015-07-01  6:27                   ` Eric S Fraga
2015-07-01 10:04                     ` Michael Brand
2015-07-01 11:22                       ` Eric S Fraga
2015-07-07 17:27                         ` Russell Adams
2015-07-08 15:59                           ` Don Armstrong
2015-07-08 16:16                             ` Russell Adams
2015-07-08 16:40                               ` Eric S Fraga
2015-07-08 17:22                                 ` Titus von der Malsburg
2015-07-07 17:14                       ` Don Armstrong [this message]
2015-07-01 15:17                     ` Nick Dokos
2015-07-01 22:17                       ` Left Right

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