Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[David A. Gershman]

Know what they call the commercial version of Portable Apps?


A Netbook.


> Richard Riley wrote:
> > Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
> > 
> >> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> Indeed. BTW, I was curious to see what PortableApps did/looked
like, and
> >>> (since I couldn't find an installation package for Linux) I downloaded
> >>> the sources and looked at them: this thing seems to be Windoze only
> >>> (maybe Mac too?) - is that true or did I overlook something?
> >> To me that's true - I was a bit surprised too.  
> >>
> >> Mmhh...  maybe the Windows user-base is bigger than the Emacs
user-base?
> >>
> >>> PS. And if so, shouldn't the FTC come after them for false
advertising?
> >>> PortableApps indeed :-)
> >> :)
> > 
> > Come on chaps, you can run Windows under Vmware or VirtualBox you know!
> > 
> > 
> Portable Apps runs fine under wine. I have a copy on my usb stick in 
> case I go somewhere that only has Windows available. Since I don't have 
> a Windows computer at home I test it under wine.
> 
> Of course I also have the Windows port of Emacs, so I can still run org, 
> even if I am forced to use Windows:)
> 
> Ian.
> 
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Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Bastien]

Hi all,

the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on 
a USB key.

Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
all these nice contributions from so many people!

A big thanks to all of you.  

Let's keep making Org a tool which changes the way _we_ do everything :)

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Greg Newman]

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That's not great news but in my book, org won.  Thanks for the update
Bastien.

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:56 AM, Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
> category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on
> a USB key.
>
> Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
> all these nice contributions from so many people!
>
> A big thanks to all of you.
>
> Let's keep making Org a tool which changes the way _we_ do everything :)
>
> --
>  Bastien
>
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Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[jemarch]

   the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
   category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on 
   a USB key.

Blah :P

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Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Manish]

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Bastien wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
> category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on
> a USB key.
>
> Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
> all these nice contributions from so many people!
>
> A big thanks to all of you.

I regularly use both PortableApps.com and Org-mode extensively. IMHO, we lost
to a worthy opponent.

>
>
> Let's keep making Org a tool which changes the way _we_ do everything :)

Yeah.  My sincere thanks to Carsten, you and all the contributors.

Best regards
-- 
Manish

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Russell Adams]

Maybe we should make a portable org-mode! ;]

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 05:07:14PM +0530, Manish wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Bastien wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
> > category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on
> > a USB key.
> >
> > Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
> > all these nice contributions from so many people!
> >
> > A big thanks to all of you.
> 
> I regularly use both PortableApps.com and Org-mode extensively. IMHO, we lost
> to a worthy opponent.
> 
> >
> >
> > Let's keep making Org a tool which changes the way _we_ do everything :)
> 
> Yeah.  My sincere thanks to Carsten, you and all the contributors.
> 
> Best regards
> -- 
> Manish
> 
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Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Chris Willard]

On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Russell Adams wrote:

> Maybe we should make a portable org-mode! ;]
[snip (50 lines)]

All ready using it on my USB stick!

TTFN


Chris.

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Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Matthew Lundin]

Chris Willard <cw-orgmode@meliser.co.uk> writes:

> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Russell Adams wrote:
>
>> Maybe we should make a portable org-mode! ;]
> [snip (50 lines)]
>
> All ready using it on my USB stick!
>
> TTFN

Yes, that's the irony here: if you exclude webapps (which aren't nearly
as capable), emacs + org-mode is one of the most portable PIMs available
right now. I.e., it will run on any platform, on a usb stick, via ssh,
etc.

Thanks again to Carsten, Bastien, and everyone for org-mode!

- Matt

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[User]

Bastien <bastienguerry <at> googlemail.com> writes:
> 
> Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
> all these nice contributions from so many people!

No wonder it didn't win. Non-emacs users have few incentive to
try it, since they think emacs is bad looking and primitve in
general, so they are looking for something more flashy instead
and do not even try it.

On the other hand org-mode needs some marketing in the emacs
community as well. I'm a longtime emacs user and heard about org
mode before, but I thought it was something overly complex and
looked for simpler solutions. Then I tried it one day and was
blown away by how mature it was and how well written the
documentation was.

So it's a natural fit for an emacs user, but obviously alien for
people how don't use emacs and don't know the Emacs Way of doing
things.

Re: Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Raffi R]

That's an interesting point. I started using org-mode randomly,
because I was writing an outline and didn't care for outline-mode and
figured org-mode should be compatible. After I'd used it for a couple
outlines, I found it could export to HTML. And LaTeX. And worked as a
day planner...

In terms of marketing within the Emacs community, it might be worth
advertising it as an outline-mode replacement. Has anyone written a
simple tutorial explaining how to use org-mode just in this way, and
then providing a link to, say, the manual/Worg at the end? Most of the
tutorials I've seen have been focused on org's time-management
capabilities. But the ability to type up an outline, manage that
outline, expand it into a document, and export it separately as a
Beamer presentation with notes, a PDF, and a webpage are "killer app"
functionality in their own right!

On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:19 PM, User<spamfilteraccount@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bastien <bastienguerry <at> googlemail.com> writes:
>>
>> Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
>> all these nice contributions from so many people!
>
> No wonder it didn't win. Non-emacs users have few incentive to
> try it, since they think emacs is bad looking and primitve in
> general, so they are looking for something more flashy instead
> and do not even try it.
>
> On the other hand org-mode needs some marketing in the emacs
> community as well. I'm a longtime emacs user and heard about org
> mode before, but I thought it was something overly complex and
> looked for simpler solutions. Then I tried it one day and was
> blown away by how mature it was and how well written the
> documentation was.
>
> So it's a natural fit for an emacs user, but obviously alien for
> people how don't use emacs and don't know the Emacs Way of doing
> things.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Matthew Lundin]

Raffi R <raffir@gmail.com> writes:

> That's an interesting point. I started using org-mode randomly,
> because I was writing an outline and didn't care for outline-mode and
> figured org-mode should be compatible. After I'd used it for a couple
> outlines, I found it could export to HTML. And LaTeX. And worked as a
> day planner...
>
> In terms of marketing within the Emacs community, it might be worth
> advertising it as an outline-mode replacement. Has anyone written a
> simple tutorial explaining how to use org-mode just in this way, and
> then providing a link to, say, the manual/Worg at the end? Most of the
> tutorials I've seen have been focused on org's time-management
> capabilities. But the ability to type up an outline, manage that
> outline, expand it into a document, and export it separately as a
> Beamer presentation with notes, a PDF, and a webpage are "killer app"
> functionality in their own right!

This is a very helpful discussion. I'm currently working on a tutorial
and screencast that highlights the outlining/publishing features of
org-mode that work without any customization ("org-mode out of the box,"
so to speak). I'll try to get it online as soon as I can.

I think GTD-fatigue is one of the major reasons that people might not be
aware of just how powerful and versatile org-mode is. My highly
unscientific conclusion is that many people think of it as one more
GTD/day-planner/time-management application, when, in fact, it could can
as a fully functional outliner, plain-text database, "word processor,"
spreadsheet, etc.

As evidence in support of your point, here's an article on "5 Linux
Outliners" from Linux.com (Oct. 2008) that only mentions Emacs outliner
in passing ("very basic," it says). Org-mode is conspicuous in its
absence:

http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/149401

Best,
Matt

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Sebastian Rose]

Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
> Hi all,
>
> the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
> category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on 
> a USB key.
>
> Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
> all these nice contributions from so many people!
>
> A big thanks to all of you.  
>
> Let's keep making Org a tool which changes the way _we_ do everything :)


Well, being one of the last 144 projects out of 43500 is a victory!

There were thousands of applictions that didn't make it into the last
round.

:)


   Sebastian

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Nick Dokos]

Sebastian Rose <sebastian_rose@gmx.de> wrote:

> Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
> > category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on 
> > a USB key.
> >
> > Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
> > all these nice contributions from so many people!
> >
> > A big thanks to all of you.  
> >
> > Let's keep making Org a tool which changes the way _we_ do everything :)
> 
> 
> Well, being one of the last 144 projects out of 43500 is a victory!
> 
> There were thousands of applictions that didn't make it into the last
> round.
> 

Indeed. BTW, I was curious to see what PortableApps did/looked like, and
(since I couldn't find an installation package for Linux) I downloaded
the sources and looked at them: this thing seems to be Windoze only
(maybe Mac too?) - is that true or did I overlook something?

Thanks,
Nick

PS. And if so, shouldn't the FTC come after them for false advertising?
PortableApps indeed :-)

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Bastien]

Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:

> Indeed. BTW, I was curious to see what PortableApps did/looked like, and
> (since I couldn't find an installation package for Linux) I downloaded
> the sources and looked at them: this thing seems to be Windoze only
> (maybe Mac too?) - is that true or did I overlook something?

To me that's true - I was a bit surprised too.  

Mmhh...  maybe the Windows user-base is bigger than the Emacs user-base?

> PS. And if so, shouldn't the FTC come after them for false advertising?
> PortableApps indeed :-)

:)

-- 
 Bastien

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Richard Riley]

Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:

> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:
>
>> Indeed. BTW, I was curious to see what PortableApps did/looked like, and
>> (since I couldn't find an installation package for Linux) I downloaded
>> the sources and looked at them: this thing seems to be Windoze only
>> (maybe Mac too?) - is that true or did I overlook something?
>
> To me that's true - I was a bit surprised too.  
>
> Mmhh...  maybe the Windows user-base is bigger than the Emacs user-base?
>
>> PS. And if so, shouldn't the FTC come after them for false advertising?
>> PortableApps indeed :-)
>
> :)

Come on chaps, you can run Windows under Vmware or VirtualBox you know!

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Ian Barton]

Richard Riley wrote:
> Bastien <bastienguerry@googlemail.com> writes:
> 
>> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:
>>
>>> Indeed. BTW, I was curious to see what PortableApps did/looked like, and
>>> (since I couldn't find an installation package for Linux) I downloaded
>>> the sources and looked at them: this thing seems to be Windoze only
>>> (maybe Mac too?) - is that true or did I overlook something?
>> To me that's true - I was a bit surprised too.  
>>
>> Mmhh...  maybe the Windows user-base is bigger than the Emacs user-base?
>>
>>> PS. And if so, shouldn't the FTC come after them for false advertising?
>>> PortableApps indeed :-)
>> :)
> 
> Come on chaps, you can run Windows under Vmware or VirtualBox you know!
> 
> 
Portable Apps runs fine under wine. I have a copy on my usb stick in 
case I go somewhere that only has Windows available. Since I don't have 
a Windows computer at home I test it under wine.

Of course I also have the Windows port of Emacs, so I can still run org, 
even if I am forced to use Windows:)

Ian.

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Raffi R]

> Nick Dokos <nicholas.dokos@hp.com> writes:
>
>
> Mmhh...  maybe the Windows user-base is bigger than the Emacs user-base?

Well, it seems clear that org-mode needs virtualization functionality
so that everyone running PortableApps will already be using orgmode
anyways.

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Carsten Dominik]

On Jul 24, 2009, at 12:56 PM, Bastien wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> the results of the SCCA 2009 have been announced and the winner in our
> category is portableapps.com, a platform to carry computer programs on
> a USB key.
>
> Org-mode didn't win but it was really great to participate and to have
> all these nice contributions from so many people!
>
> A big thanks to all of you.
>
> Let's keep making Org a tool which changes the way _we_ do  
> everything :)


Well, at least it was not a close call :-)

    http://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/winners/

shows that we came in 9th of the 10 contenders.

I had a lot of fun with this, thanks to you all for voting and  
contributing.

- Carsten

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[srandby]

Carsten Dominik wrote:

> Well, at least it was not a close call :-)
> 
>    http://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/winners/
> 
> shows that we came in 9th of the 10 contenders.

It looks to me that org-mode received around 873 votes which is pretty 
good in my book. PortableApps.com, a heavily advertised commercial 
product for Windows, could only muster 3880 votes. I am guessing that 
the percentage of PortableApps.com users who voted for it is much 
smaller than the percentage of org-mode users who voted for org-mode.

The PortableApps.com website claims that 100 million portable apps have 
been downloaded which must mean that the number of users of 
PortableApps.com is huge compared to the number of users of org-mode. 
With no advertising, no money, and a much smaller user base, org-mode 
outperformed PortableApps.com in the voting. Sounds like a victory to me.

Scott Randby

Re: Results of the SourceForge Community Award

[Torsten Wagner]

>Carsten Dominik wrote:
>> Well, at least it was not a close call :-)
>>
>>    http://sourceforge.net/community/cca09/winners/
>>
>> shows that we came in 9th of the 10 contenders.
>
>It looks to me that org-mode received around 873 votes which is pretty
>good in my book. PortableApps.com, a heavily advertised commercial
>product for Windows, could only muster 3880 votes. I am guessing that
>the percentage of PortableApps.com users who voted for it is much
>smaller than the percentage of org-mode users who voted for org-mode.
>
>The PortableApps.com website claims that 100 million portable apps have
>been downloaded which must mean that the number of users of
>PortableApps.com is huge compared to the number of users of org-mode.
>With no advertising, no money, and a much smaller user base, org-mode
>outperformed PortableApps.com in the voting. Sounds like a victory to me.


I just have to agree with that...
redefine the vote rule to be scientifically correct it should be 

impact = votes/user-base

this gives a similar value like the impact factor of scientific journals 
(published papers / overall citation of papers)  which more clearly depict the 
importance of the journal to its particular field. 

I guess with that org-mode might be the winner :)

Even if we just use the number of downloads I would say the number of 
downloads for org-mode is at least  two to three magnitudes smaller then 
PortableApps which makes org-mode (8.7e-4) has a 22.5 times higher impact then 
PortableApps (3.88e-5).

By the way is the number of org-mode users known somehow (and how to estimate 
it in future bundled with emacs23) ? Would be interesting to see how much 
people use org-mode

Nevertheless, even without this it was amazing to see that org-mode made it so 
far.

Bye
Totti

CC. Maybe someone should suggest this new rule set to sourceforge... and then 
lets see how 2010 is going on :)