Visualizing org files

Visualizing org files

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

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Hey all,

I'm a long org-mode user and I absolutely love it. During the years I've
been using org, nothing else came close to being so simple and so powerful
as org - and I a lot tried different productivity apps.

One thing that would nicely complement org, in my opinion, would be a
visualization mode for its buffers. Right now I sometimes use Freeplane*[0]
to draft/brainstorm complex ideas or problems/solutions and then attach it
to an org item and write more specific action items there.

It'd be nice to have everything in a Freemind map, if needed. What I'm
proposing is a way to visualize org buffers in Freeplane and vice-versa.

It could also be a script that uses something like graphviz*[1] to create a
graph of one or more org buffers, like Sasha Chua did here:
http://pages.sachachua.com/evil-plans/, although I prefer using Freeplane
since it allows me to edit the org file as a mind-map, visually, if I want.

I think a script to automatically transform the Freeplane XML to org and
vice-versa wouldn't be too hard to come up with. The graphviz solution is
also interesting and Sasha already provides the snippets.

Are any other people out there that are already doing something similar to
what I described above? Maybe we could share some ideas on how to tackle
this feature or if it'd be worth adding it into the org core ;)

Cheers!

- Marcelo

*[0] https://www.freeplane.org/wiki/index.php/Home
*[1] https://www.graphviz.org/

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Re: Visualizing org files

[Bingo]

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Le 8 septembre 2018 04:48:18 GMT+05:30, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> a écrit :
>Hey all,
>
>I'm a long org-mode user and I absolutely love it. During the years
>I've
>been using org, nothing else came close to being so simple and so
>powerful
>as org - and I a lot tried different productivity apps.
>
>One thing that would nicely complement org, in my opinion, would be a
>visualization mode for its buffers. Right now I sometimes use
>Freeplane*[0]
>to draft/brainstorm complex ideas or problems/solutions and then attach
>it
>to an org item and write more specific action items there.
>
>It'd be nice to have everything in a Freemind map, if needed. What I'm
>proposing is a way to visualize org buffers in Freeplane and
>vice-versa.
>
>It could also be a script that uses something like graphviz*[1] to
>create a
>graph of one or more org buffers, like Sasha Chua did here:
>http://pages.sachachua.com/evil-plans/, although I prefer using
>Freeplane
>since it allows me to edit the org file as a mind-map, visually, if I
>want.
>
>I think a script to automatically transform the Freeplane XML to org
>and
>vice-versa wouldn't be too hard to come up with. The graphviz solution
>is
>also interesting and Sasha already provides the snippets.
>
>Are any other people out there that are already doing something similar
>to
>what I described above? Maybe we could share some ideas on how to
>tackle
>this feature or if it'd be worth adding it into the org core ;)
>
>Cheers!
>
>- Marcelo
>
>*[0] https://www.freeplane.org/wiki/index.php/Home
>*[1] https://www.graphviz.org/

Hi, 
  There have been attempts for similar things.

 1. There was org-freemind :  https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FreeMind. To convert between org and freemind files. It went out of maintenance and bitrotted. Doesn't work anymore, but the code is available for you to play with.

2. There is org-mind-map : https://github.com/theodorewiles/org-mind-map . Simple, and it works. It uses graphviz. It is somewhat based on Sacha's evil-plans.

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Re: Visualizing org files

[Samuel Wales]

pretty unrelated, but a reminder that there is org-du | xdu or so
which shows subtree byte counts.

On 9/7/18, Bingo <right.ho@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le 8 septembre 2018 04:48:18 GMT+05:30, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa
> <celoserpa@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>Hey all,
>>
>>I'm a long org-mode user and I absolutely love it. During the years
>>I've
>>been using org, nothing else came close to being so simple and so
>>powerful
>>as org - and I a lot tried different productivity apps.
>>
>>One thing that would nicely complement org, in my opinion, would be a
>>visualization mode for its buffers. Right now I sometimes use
>>Freeplane*[0]
>>to draft/brainstorm complex ideas or problems/solutions and then attach
>>it
>>to an org item and write more specific action items there.
>>
>>It'd be nice to have everything in a Freemind map, if needed. What I'm
>>proposing is a way to visualize org buffers in Freeplane and
>>vice-versa.
>>
>>It could also be a script that uses something like graphviz*[1] to
>>create a
>>graph of one or more org buffers, like Sasha Chua did here:
>>http://pages.sachachua.com/evil-plans/, although I prefer using
>>Freeplane
>>since it allows me to edit the org file as a mind-map, visually, if I
>>want.
>>
>>I think a script to automatically transform the Freeplane XML to org
>>and
>>vice-versa wouldn't be too hard to come up with. The graphviz solution
>>is
>>also interesting and Sasha already provides the snippets.
>>
>>Are any other people out there that are already doing something similar
>>to
>>what I described above? Maybe we could share some ideas on how to
>>tackle
>>this feature or if it'd be worth adding it into the org core ;)
>>
>>Cheers!
>>
>>- Marcelo
>>
>>*[0] https://www.freeplane.org/wiki/index.php/Home
>>*[1] https://www.graphviz.org/
>
> Hi,
>   There have been attempts for similar things.
>
>  1. There was org-freemind :  https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FreeMind. To
> convert between org and freemind files. It went out of maintenance and
> bitrotted. Doesn't work anymore, but the code is available for you to play
> with.
>
> 2. There is org-mind-map : https://github.com/theodorewiles/org-mind-map .
> Simple, and it works. It uses graphviz. It is somewhat based on Sacha's
> evil-plans.


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Re: Visualizing org files

[Eric S Fraga]

On Friday,  7 Sep 2018 at 19:58, Samuel Wales wrote:
> pretty unrelated, but a reminder that there is org-du | xdu or so
> which shows subtree byte counts.

Link?  I cannot find this package/code.  Thanks.
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Re: Visualizing org files

[Samuel Wales]

https://github.com/novoid

[even the government of canada is on github it seems O.o
https://github.com/canada-ca ]


On 9/8/18, Eric S Fraga <esflists@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday,  7 Sep 2018 at 19:58, Samuel Wales wrote:
>> pretty unrelated, but a reminder that there is org-du | xdu or so
>> which shows subtree byte counts.
>
> Link?  I cannot find this package/code.  Thanks.
> --
> Eric S Fraga via Emacs 27.0.50, Org release_9.1.13-783-g97fac4
>


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Re: Visualizing org files

[Karl Voit]

* Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://github.com/novoid

https://github.com/novoid/org-du/

Thanks for mentioning. I got the impression, I am the only one who
likes those kind of visualizations ;-)

Even https://github.com/novoid/org-du/graphs/traffic doesn't look
like there is much going on in terms of visitors ...

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Re: Visualizing org files

[Samuel Wales]

market more :]

or you could convert it to an emacs visualization in the agenda buffer :]

Re: Visualizing org files

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

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Oh wow Karl, lot's of 'hidden' gems there. Not related to this thread but I
specially liked `lazyblorg`, I actually had a very similar idea and was
about to develop something like that, you saved me a bunch of time :)

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 3:57 PM Samuel Wales <samologist@gmail.com> wrote:

> market more :]
>
> or you could convert it to an emacs visualization in the agenda buffer :]
>
>

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[Karl Voit]

* Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh wow Karl, lot's of 'hidden' gems there. 

Thanks. Glad that you like it. Consider following Atom/RSS feeds of
https://karl-voit.at/ to get updates on my PIM/Emacs activity. I
hope that I'm going to implement tag-specific feeds so that you are
able to follow #pim or #emacs and don't get any non-related updates.

> Not related to this thread but I specially liked `lazyblorg`, I
> actually had a very similar idea and was about to develop
> something like that, you saved me a bunch of time :)

Oh, it took quite some effort and time to go where lazyblorg
currently is ;-) Feedback welcome.

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Re: Visualizing org files

[Adam Porter]

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:

> What I'm proposing is a way to visualize org buffers in Freeplane and vice-versa. 

I would love that!

> I think a script to automatically transform the Freeplane XML to org
> and vice-versa wouldn't be too hard to come up with.

I am not as confident as you, but I would love that as well.  :) Both
the Freeplane and Org formats have many features, and I would not want
to use a solution that didn't provide a 1-to-1, lossless translation
between them.

I guess the biggest part of the solution would be code that translates a
Freeplane file into an org-element tree that can be re-interpreted into
an Org file.

Re: Visualizing org files

[Van L]

>> Freeplane XML to org

I took a look at images of Freeplane XML and it is boring.

What I’d like to do is tile triangles (and the normal) as clusters and/or scatters on meaningful planes of data/concepts which see a landscape having moving parts in Disney’s Tron Hollywood movie but less dark. And, like in the map apps for navigating by in the smartphone you can tilt to adjust the angle to horizon for 3D effect.

How about Pixar’s USD (Universal Scene Description) information exchange format?

Re: Visualizing org files

[stardiviner]

Van L <van@scratch.space> writes:

>>> Freeplane XML to org
>
> I took a look at images of Freeplane XML and it is boring.
>
> What I’d like to do is tile triangles (and the normal) as clusters and/or scatters on meaningful planes of data/concepts which see a landscape having moving parts in Disney’s Tron Hollywood movie but less dark. And, like in the map apps for navigating by in the smartphone you can tilt to adjust the angle to horizon for 3D effect.
>
> How about Pixar’s USD (Universal Scene Description) information exchange format?

Sounds very cool!!!

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Re: Visualizing org files

[stardiviner]

Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <celoserpa@gmail.com> writes:

> Hey all,
>
> I'm a long org-mode user and I absolutely love it. During the years I've been using org,
> nothing else came close to being so simple and so powerful as org - and I a lot tried
> different productivity apps.
>
> One thing that would nicely complement org, in my opinion, would be a visualization mode
> for its buffers. Right now I sometimes use Freeplane*[0] to draft/brainstorm complex
> ideas or problems/solutions and then attach it to an org item and write more specific
> action items there.
>
> It'd be nice to have everything in a Freemind map, if needed. What I'm proposing is a way
> to visualize org buffers in Freeplane and vice-versa.
>
> It could also be a script that uses something like graphviz*[1] to create a graph of one
> or more org buffers, like Sasha Chua did here: http://pages.sachachua.com/evil-plans/,
> although I prefer using Freeplane since it allows me to edit the org file as a mind-map,
> visually, if I want.
>
> I think a script to automatically transform the Freeplane XML to org
> and vice-versa

I have same idea. I know there is an package called ox-freemind. It can export Org to mindmap. The really awesome is real-time synchronize visualization Org and Mindmap program. I don't know how to implement at Freemind or Freeplane etc mindmap program side. But Org side should not be that hard, because markdown real-time preview is possible.

> wouldn't be too hard to come up with. The graphviz solution is also interesting and Sasha
> already provides the snippets.
>
> Are any other people out there that are already doing something similar to what I
> described above? Maybe we could share some ideas on how to tackle this feature or if it'd
> be worth adding it into the org core ;)
>
> Cheers!
>
> - Marcelo
>
> *[0] https://www.freeplane.org/wiki/index.php/Home
> *[1] https://www.graphviz.org/


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Re: Visualizing org files

[Van L]

>>> Freeplane XML to org
>>
>> I took a look at images of Freeplane XML and it is boring.
>>
>> What I’d like to do is tile triangles (and the normal) as clusters
>> and/or scatters on meaningful planes of data/concepts which see a
>> landscape having moving parts in Disney’s Tron blockbuster Netflix
>> movie but less dark. And, like in the map apps for navigating by in
>> the smartphone you can tilt to adjust the angle to horizon for 3D
>> effect.
>>
>> How about Pixar’s USD (Universal Scene Description) information exchange 
>> format? 
>>
> Sounds very cool!!!

This app isn’t even close

  https://imindmap.com

and Org Mode is to have reproducible work in labwork!