* checkable items which don't show up in agenda
@ 2006-04-25 16:19 Frank Ruell
2006-04-26 6:54 ` Christian Egli
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From: Frank Ruell @ 2006-04-25 16:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-orgmode
Hi,
I'm very impressed by org, it has lots of small intuitive features, i.e.
how you can increment/decrement dates via cursor keys. Danke je for this
nice org-anizer, Carsten!
The only thing I've missed was an option for items, which are fontyfied
and checkable via some shortcut, but never ever show up in agenda (or
rather clutter up your agenda). Most solutions I was able to think of
were rather clumsy, thus I cut 'n' pasted some of org's code and added
some few bits myself:
http://www.emacswiki.org/cgi-bin/emacs/org-checklet.el
Obviously I don't know lisp but some C alike language, anyway it seems
to do what I want it to - at least so far.
cheers,
Frank
--
AGITATOR, n. A statesman who shakes the fruit trees of his
neighbors -- to dislodge the worms.
(Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary)
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* Re: checkable items which don't show up in agenda
2006-04-25 16:19 checkable items which don't show up in agenda Frank Ruell
@ 2006-04-26 6:54 ` Christian Egli
2006-04-26 9:39 ` Carsten Dominik
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From: Christian Egli @ 2006-04-26 6:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Frank Ruell; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 18:19 +0200, Frank Ruell wrote:
> The only thing I've missed was an option for items, which are fontyfied
> and checkable via some shortcut, but never ever show up in agenda (or
> rather clutter up your agenda).
What would be a use case for that? I have been thinking I would not want
to see TODO items in the agenda that for the following scenario:
* TODO Organize event
** TODO Choose a date
** TODO Invite people
Here I'd like my agenda to remind me only that I need to Organize the
event. I'd like to be able to check of the subtasks (which I'll do in
the org-mode buffer, not in the agenda), but I do not want them to
"clutter" my agenda.
In this case it is not arbitrary checkable (TODO) items that I want to
exclude from the agenda. I just want to exclude TODO items where an
ancestor is also a TODO item.
Would that cover your use case?
Thanks
Christian
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* Re: checkable items which don't show up in agenda
2006-04-26 6:54 ` Christian Egli
@ 2006-04-26 9:39 ` Carsten Dominik
2006-04-26 13:08 ` Piotr Zielinski
2006-04-26 13:48 ` checkable items which don't show up in agenda Frank Ruell
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From: Carsten Dominik @ 2006-04-26 9:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Christian Egli; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Frank Ruell
On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:54, Christian Egli wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 18:19 +0200, Frank Ruell wrote:
>> The only thing I've missed was an option for items, which are
>> fontyfied
>> and checkable via some shortcut, but never ever show up in agenda (or
>> rather clutter up your agenda).
>
> What would be a use case for that? I have been thinking I would not
> want
> to see TODO items in the agenda that for the following scenario:
>
> * TODO Organize event
> ** TODO Choose a date
> ** TODO Invite people
>
> Here I'd like my agenda to remind me only that I need to Organize the
> event. I'd like to be able to check of the subtasks (which I'll do in
> the org-mode buffer, not in the agenda), but I do not want them to
> "clutter" my agenda.
Interesting idea. I could make an option which would stop searching
for TODO in the subtree below a TODO entry.
- Carsten
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* Re: checkable items which don't show up in agenda
2006-04-26 9:39 ` Carsten Dominik
@ 2006-04-26 13:08 ` Piotr Zielinski
2006-04-26 13:54 ` org-mode usage patterns David O'Toole
2006-04-26 13:48 ` checkable items which don't show up in agenda Frank Ruell
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From: Piotr Zielinski @ 2006-04-26 13:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Frank Ruell
Hi,
It seems that different people use TODOs in different ways. For
example, I use TODOs at the very lowest possible level to indicate the
next action in a particular project. That said, I'd welcome some
hierarchical propagation of TODO, as it is with tags. One can imagine
using two kinds of todos: TODO and NEXTACTION. TODO would be attached
to (high-level) projects I'm currently interested in doing, whereas
NEXTACTION attached to the low-level nodes of the tree that correspond
to the next physical action to take. The agenda could be configured
in such a way to display only these NEXTACTIONs that have an ancestor
marked as TODO. Note that this is already possible with tags. Is it
sensible to make org.el treat TODOs as a any other tag?
To make most of org-mode, I think it would be very useful to compare
how people actually use it. I'm sure I could learn a lot of useful
things from such an exchange, and would be surprised by the variety of
organizing structures people use. The best way to achieve that is
probably to post deprivatized sample parts of our .org files with a
short explanation. What place do you think is the best: this email
list? some wiki? something else?
Piotr
On 26/04/06, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:54, Christian Egli wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 18:19 +0200, Frank Ruell wrote:
> >> The only thing I've missed was an option for items, which are
> >> fontyfied
> >> and checkable via some shortcut, but never ever show up in agenda (or
> >> rather clutter up your agenda).
> >
> > What would be a use case for that? I have been thinking I would not
> > want
> > to see TODO items in the agenda that for the following scenario:
> >
> > * TODO Organize event
> > ** TODO Choose a date
> > ** TODO Invite people
> >
> > Here I'd like my agenda to remind me only that I need to Organize the
> > event. I'd like to be able to check of the subtasks (which I'll do in
> > the org-mode buffer, not in the agenda), but I do not want them to
> > "clutter" my agenda.
>
> Interesting idea. I could make an option which would stop searching
> for TODO in the subtree below a TODO entry.
>
> - Carsten
>
>
>
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* Re: checkable items which don't show up in agenda
2006-04-26 9:39 ` Carsten Dominik
2006-04-26 13:08 ` Piotr Zielinski
@ 2006-04-26 13:48 ` Frank Ruell
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From: Frank Ruell @ 2006-04-26 13:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Carsten Dominik; +Cc: emacs-orgmode
Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> writes:
> On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:54, Christian Egli wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 18:19 +0200, Frank Ruell wrote:
>>> The only thing I've missed was an option for items, which are
>>> fontyfied
>>> and checkable via some shortcut, but never ever show up in agenda (or
>>> rather clutter up your agenda).
>>
>> What would be a use case for that? I have been thinking I would not
>> want
>> to see TODO items in the agenda that for the following scenario:
>>
>> * TODO Organize event
>> ** TODO Choose a date
>> ** TODO Invite people
>>
>> Here I'd like my agenda to remind me only that I need to Organize the
>> event. I'd like to be able to check of the subtasks (which I'll do in
>> the org-mode buffer, not in the agenda), but I do not want them to
>> "clutter" my agenda.
even more extreme:
** TODO Phone people and invite them
*** TODO invite aunt Minna
*** TODO invite uncle Ernst
*** TODO invite great uncle Karl
Workflow: thinking of 25 guys to invite, phoning those guys, and then
keeping track of who you did or did not reach.
(Last actual use case for me was when doing homework, I've read the
exercise, wrote a list of classes and methods while doing so, and then,
when actually programming, it would have been nice to be able to check
the finished stuff. Identical to the way I would have done it with
pencil and paper.)
> Interesting idea. I could make an option which would stop searching
> for TODO in the subtree below a TODO entry.
For the "invite example" above I wouldn't even like to give each one his
own heading. (For those "checklets" I used C-u for not changing into
heading). Nor would I want those subitems to be "prominent fontyfied" as
TODOs are. Like for inviting a bunch of people I would consider just one
TODO the most adequate way.
Of course in most cases everything but splitting a TODO into smaller
TODOs would be confusing and bloat.
cheers,
Frank
--
IRRELIGION, n. The principal one of the great faiths of the world.
(Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary)
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* Re: org-mode usage patterns
2006-04-26 13:08 ` Piotr Zielinski
@ 2006-04-26 13:54 ` David O'Toole
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From: David O'Toole @ 2006-04-26 13:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Piotr Zielinski; +Cc: emacs-orgmode, Frank Ruell, Carsten Dominik
Hi Piotr,
As a relatively new org user, I have been wanting to see a discussion
of usage patterns and file structures. So, I'm glad you asked, and
perhaps this will help get people talking.
Here's a little about my org usage patterns. This isn't complete
because I've only been using org less than a week. However, I have
imported a fair amount of material into my orgfiles, from previous
usage of Planner and Howm. So, I have had to make decisions about how
to structure things.
I keep one topic per file, called ~/org/Topic.org . All my org files
are together in the ~/org folder. The filename is the default category
for TODO items, so this is quite useful. Since I keep org-agenda-files
list in alphabetical order, my tasks are grouped in alphabetical order
by file when I look in the Global TODO list (C-c a t.)
I have org-agenda-include-all-todo set to "nil". I don't like all the
open tasks cluttering up my agenda. Instead, when I want to see a list
of all open TODO, I use the Global TODO list.
I don't put timestamps of any kind in a TODO until I'm ready to
SCHEDULE it. I use C-c C-s to add a schedule timestamp.
In this way, it's easy to use (C-c a t) to find open tasks to
schedule, and easy to see what's scheduled for today with org-agenda
(C-c a a).
I mix tasks and notes. I often have ideas about a task or perhaps a
phone number or address, so I put those under the TODO heading. For
example if the headline says "TODO Implement feature X" I will often
have several ideas about the shape of the feature, and possibly
alternative implementation possibilities. I'll usually drop these in
as subheadings to the TODO, but these aren't TODO items in
themselves---the headlines are useful for organizing ideas, but it's
usually too early at this stage to make the headings into TODO. Once
the ideas and notes have coalesced into a more definite plan, the
headings start to become TODOs.
In addition, when writing a structured document with Org, I will use
TODO headings simply to mark that a section needs filling in.
When I want to really focus on a particular project that has multiple
open TODOs, I hide the agenda buffer and just display the particular
project's .org file, usually in OVERVIEW mode. This hides all the
little notes, but shows all the TODO and gives me quick access to any
part of the file.
I try to keep TODO's in logical/temporal order when maintaining a .org
file, so this view usually gives me an idea what the NEXTACTION should
be. It's simple enough to navigate to that, and hit C-c C-s to
schedule those for today.
I use only TODO and DONE as keywords. I try to make todo items small
enough so that they're either TODO or DONE. I never found much use for
the "in progress" marking of Planner Mode. Who knows, this may change
in the future.
I haven't found as much use for Remember mode yet. I usually just add
stuff where it needs to go, but perhaps when things are busier I will
really want to be able to "braindump" to Remember.org and then
file things away later. I have also thought about using Remember for
journal entries / blogging (as described in the manual.)
I haven't yet used Tags because I categorize things by placing them in
the file for that topic.
I have more to say on the subject of org usage, but I want to develop
my ideas a little further first.
"Piotr Zielinski" <piotr.zielinski@gmail.com> writes:
> Hi,
>
> It seems that different people use TODOs in different ways. For
> example, I use TODOs at the very lowest possible level to indicate the
> next action in a particular project. That said, I'd welcome some
> hierarchical propagation of TODO, as it is with tags. One can imagine
> using two kinds of todos: TODO and NEXTACTION. TODO would be attached
> to (high-level) projects I'm currently interested in doing, whereas
> NEXTACTION attached to the low-level nodes of the tree that correspond
> to the next physical action to take. The agenda could be configured
> in such a way to display only these NEXTACTIONs that have an ancestor
> marked as TODO. Note that this is already possible with tags. Is it
> sensible to make org.el treat TODOs as a any other tag?
>
> To make most of org-mode, I think it would be very useful to compare
> how people actually use it. I'm sure I could learn a lot of useful
> things from such an exchange, and would be surprised by the variety of
> organizing structures people use. The best way to achieve that is
> probably to post deprivatized sample parts of our .org files with a
> short explanation. What place do you think is the best: this email
> list? some wiki? something else?
>
> Piotr
>
> On 26/04/06, Carsten Dominik <carsten.dominik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:54, Christian Egli wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 18:19 +0200, Frank Ruell wrote:
>> >> The only thing I've missed was an option for items, which are
>> >> fontyfied
>> >> and checkable via some shortcut, but never ever show up in agenda (or
>> >> rather clutter up your agenda).
>> >
>> > What would be a use case for that? I have been thinking I would not
>> > want
>> > to see TODO items in the agenda that for the following scenario:
>> >
>> > * TODO Organize event
>> > ** TODO Choose a date
>> > ** TODO Invite people
>> >
>> > Here I'd like my agenda to remind me only that I need to Organize the
>> > event. I'd like to be able to check of the subtasks (which I'll do in
>> > the org-mode buffer, not in the agenda), but I do not want them to
>> > "clutter" my agenda.
>>
>> Interesting idea. I could make an option which would stop searching
>> for TODO in the subtree below a TODO entry.
>>
>> - Carsten
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Emacs-orgmode mailing list
>> Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>>
>
>
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